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NHS pressured kids to change sex-Parents Accuse therapists of 'Blindly Accepting' claims

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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: fiverx313

Where did you get the idea anyone is banging any drum. (code word for dissenting opinions to shut up)?

There is no need to be phobic about homo-phobics.


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You're the one who knowingly posted fake news about, guess what???, transgender scare, especially when it comes to children.




posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: fiverx313

Where did you get the idea anyone is banging any drum. (code word for dissenting opinions to shut up)?

There is no need to be phobic about homo-phobics.


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You're the one who knowingly posted fake news about, guess what???, transgender scare, especially when it comes to children.



Yep, knowingly posting fake stories that provoke unnecessary Transgender scare tactics is by very definition homophobic and transphobic.

You can't really do something homophobic and then say 'But I'm not a homophobe!'


And you know, I'm not attacking OP for that, clearly there is a lot of panic and hysteria in society about Trans people. So here's a tip, go and find some actual trans people, talk to them, learn about their problems and how badly society treats them. And you too can find out why this endless right-wing attack stuff is such bad news for all of us really.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

Transgender people are not homosexual.

This is a common mix up of insults hurled are people asking important questions.

These are not transgender people, they are transgender kids. And their parents are concerned for a very very good reason. They love their kids and do not want this very adult decision made by 13 year old with no real help from "professionals".



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal

They love their kids and do not want this very adult decision made by 13 year old with no real help from "professionals".


Except this is a lie. There is plenty of real help from professionals. No irreversible decision is allowed to be made by a 13 year old.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: seasonal

They love their kids and do not want this very adult decision made by 13 year old with no real help from "professionals".


Except this is a lie. There is plenty of real help from professionals. No irreversible decision is allowed to be made by a 13 year old.


Actually in the UK so long as a child is deemed to be of sound mind they can make decisions about their care.

So if doctors believed that gender reassignment surgery was in a Childs bet interests, the Child has as much say in it as the parents, where there is a conflict, so long as the child is medically deemed to have the capacity to make the decision then they can go against their parents wishes.

Its all actually really complicated in the UK how medical content works with a child or person who does not have capacity but yeah a 13 year old can make decisions about medical treatment.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Well the NHS says that kids under age 17 get therapy and counseling, and possibly puberty-stalling drugs, which are reversible. No mention on their site regarding sex change surgeries for 13 year olds.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Well the NHS says that kids under age 17 get therapy and counseling, and possibly puberty-stalling drugs, which are reversible. No mention on their site regarding sex change surgeries for 13 year olds.


I would be surprised if they offered surgery like that to kids under 18.

I was only pointing out above that a 13 year old can make decisions about their care independent of their parents.

Sorry, I love health care ethics and get carried away sometimes.

carry on.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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Oh, so it's the daily mail, not the best go-to source but whatever, although they might have embellished on the root story to sensationalize, it's close to the truth

I've seen some of the YouTube videos of Trans teens. They have every right to share but it does contribute (along with other ways) to plant the idea in a person's head. The more that do it, the more that will follow.

It's a trend, it's a whim and it's taking over our airwaves.

I think there are a few who truly are facing these issues and a change is what they need to do to be happier , but it's slowly turning into where people who are just going through a phase or even suffering other misdiagnosed mental issues and it pushes them towards it " just has to be that". We are highly suggestable creatures and all too easily influenced.

Not to say it's wrong or unacceptable to be LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 but we don't need to turn the whole planet into confused people who begin to question themselves , who in the end will have lost our true identities.

I am saying this sets the stage to begin questioning, thus confusion is there at the onset. It msybe there after it's done if they later on think they shouldn't have .

Being boy or girl is being wiped out. There's gender neutral parenting that's becoming popular.

There will be some cultures who are the last ones standing but they will be overwhelmed and if they want to fit in, they better get on board

By the way, people who think this is ok, overblown, whatever are simply put, people who are hanging around that community and have been brainwashed. Remember: a brainwashed person has no idea they are. OR they do not have children to understand when we gave birth to a son / daughter , it might be our only son / daughter and we kinda like to keep it that way. They are after all our child. Not yours. MYOB.

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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: violet

How can you be confused about your gender and/or orientation? That makes no sense. You just know.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: violet

How can you be confused about your gender and/or orientation? That makes no sense. You just know.


Go read up on gender dysmorphia it is a real and widely recognised condition.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: Painterz
As per your "tip".
I do know a transgender person, been filled in on the issues she faced and how much better off she might now feel, but the point is she is NOT my child! I really don't care what he does.

When all this is your own child, all understanding goes out the window. Even if you are telling yourself you shouldn't act this way. It's a huge decision and a parent has the right to be concerned and contribute



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Of course you know.
I didn't say that.
I said some are truly having this issue with their gender.
I'm all for help being in place to help those who "just know" . I just feel if the help is too readily available it's easier to convince "some" who might have decided they weren't born in the wrong body after all.
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I edited my post regarding my use of the word "confused".
Are you saying at he beginning stages where you start to "know" that there isn't a state ofconfusion going on?
Of course there is! Otherwise, why do they need therapy or counselling???


That was my point and I hope I made myself clear.


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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: violet

The therapy is for gender dysphoria, not confusion. The distress comes from parents and society.

And no the help is not "too readily available". In fact parents and doctors try to convince them they aren't transgender or try to make sure it is legitimate. If it's just a phase, they would know and it will be short-lived, just like any other stuff kids go through.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:55 PM
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Someone's own fear is showing.

"We have to protect the children"



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

What are the long term studies saying about giving kids puberty stopping or gender changing drugs?

What harm are they doing to their future bodies?



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: seasonal

Well, there's this study...

I can't get the link to work, but it's sciencecodex.com and the article title is Medical intervention in transgender adolescents appears to be safe and effective. The article describes a study in which bone density was monitored during and after the puberty blockers were administered. Bone density did go down during the puberty blocking process, but went back to normal after subsequent hormone treatment.
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posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: violet

The therapy is for gender dysphoria, not confusion. The distress comes from parents and society.

And no the help is not "too readily available". In fact parents and doctors try to convince them they aren't transgender or try to make sure it is legitimate. If it's just a phase, they would know and it will be short-lived, just like any other stuff kids go through.


Then a phase would be classified as confusion ... unsure.
I still think a "phase" can be influenced



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
Hair trigger responses that claim dissenting to a liberal view is an automatic homophobic view is silly and small.


It is neither a liberal nor conservative view. It is a medical view. Jesus H. Christ. You guys are hilarious.

Theresa May, from the well-known bastion of UK liberal/leftist ideology, the Conservative Party is currently changing the gender recognition act to allow easier alteration of official documentation. They have also recently completed a UK wide survey of the harassment and abuse of LGBT folk, institutionally and in wider society.

It really is none of your business, lol.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: kaylaluv

What are the long term studies saying about giving kids puberty stopping or gender changing drugs?

What harm are they doing to their future bodies?


Isn't that a medical issue? I would think the medical specialists involved would consider this. In fact, puberty blockers have been used for quite a long time on children - way before they were even considered a potential treatment for gender dysphoria.

Why weren't you complaining then?

Oh, yeah, I can guess. lol



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

WHY not ..AMERICA seems to fly so well ,EVERYWHERE ,anyway?



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