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Hungary PM directs secret services' investigation of George Soros

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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: DJW001


Nice try, Soros is being investigated by at least one nation's government for subversion and attempting to overthrow their government through his foundations. Israel and several other nations have come together against Soros, as well.

So much for the anti-Semitism. George Soros is a totalitarian wanna-be, who illegally funds violence and chaos in societies. I don't care what his nationality is, he deserves to be charged and arrested (or even executed for attempting insurrection, depending on the strength of the evidence collected). At a bare minimum, he should be imprisoned for life and his assets (plus the assets of his foundation) seized to fight the spread of communism/mob-rule/totalitarianism around the world. How great would it be to force Soros to fund things he is absolutely against? I think it'd be fitting, much like police officers driving cars they seize from drug dealers and other criminals.

I will provide these links in order to prevent individuals like you from attempting to derail valid and useful discussion of bringing criminals like Soros (and his many followers) to justice.

ORIGINAL LINK: www.rt.com... clickable link

ARTICLE # 2 about Hungary's Foreign Minister supporting the Prime Minister in his nation's fight against the Soros Syndicate: www.rt.com... clickable link

ARTICLE # 3 about Israel's foreign ministry supporting Hungary and labeling Soros a threat to free society: euobserver.com... clickable link

There you go.




posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: bastion


You do realize Israel supported their attack on Soros, yeah? Can't very well call Israel anti-Semitic, yeah? Attacking someone's statements/actions through facts that are entirely irrelevant is a great way to distract or discredit the truth, yeah? Too bad his actions violate the laws of these nations he is attempting to subvert, yeah no? Yeah yeah, yeah no yeah?

YEAH, YEAH? YEAH.

Go Hungary! Go Israel! Go Trump's America!

Lets shut Soros down, imprison him and seize his assets! His billions would greatly help us fight the spread of totalitarianism (aka mob-rule democracy) around the world. Constitutional Republicanism is the only way forward.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 12:17 PM
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Israel's Foreign Ministry confirmed the pervasiveness of Soro's subversive networks, proclaiming their support for Hungary's government:






Israel's foreign ministry defended Hungary's campaign against George Soros in a statement Monday, denouncing the Hungarian-US billionaire as someone who "continuously undermines Israel's democratically elected governments" by supporting NGOs.

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The Israeli foreign ministry, however, said that criticism of Soros is legitimate





source: EU Observer



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: JBurns

The good thing is that when they find something worth a bringing Soros to a courthouse, there will be no problem in order to extraditate him as he holds Hungarian citizenship.

Funding pro-democracy NGOs is only a crime in fascist states.


You're incorrect. Its a crime in states that have a Constitution and established government - no liberal (especially Soros, a mere foreigner) has the right to influence the course of a sovereign nation. Aren't you part of the millennial crowd who always complains (and screams at the sky) about Russia's alleged influence? How can you support tools like Soros while demonizing Russia?

You're erroneously bringing terms like fascism and false-democracy into the argument. However, if the opposite of Soros' (and your) preferred form of government is fascism, then I more-so support (what you falsely call) fascism over the brand of half-baked democommunism yourself & Soros are looking to install.

However, at the end of the day, I stand behind the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I stand opposed to ANY person or group who seeks to subvert our literal and written-in-stone document, under support of the first and second amendment.


Most importantly, I stand against everything people like yourself and Soros stand for.
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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


No one wants your "increased" democracy! Democracy has no place in the legal systems of either of our nations.

The United States is not, never has been and never WILL be a democracy! We a Constitutional Representative Democratic Republic. That means that people have the right to vote and a say in government, AS LONG AS THOSE CHOICES ARE FULLY CONSTRAINED AND WITHIN THE BOUNDS SET BY THE CONSTITUTION.

For example, even if some arbitrary voting group of the population got together and voted against free speech or the right to own firearms for defense of self and state, you still wouldn't' be able to change the law. In a democracy, you could change the law with a mere 51% support. The U.S. is not a democracy. Israel is NOT a democracy!

Keep your democracy, no one wants it. Democracy is TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR DINNER. Freedom is an armed lamb contesting the vote. Our Constitution is the firearm used by the lamb to forcefully prevent the democratic will of the wolves.

No Democracy, not now not ever!

The founders had a phrase for your democracy: tyranny of majority. Soros (and you) can take your mob rule elsewhere, you'll never (EVER) get it installed here. That I promise you.
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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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The United States is not


...Europe? Agreed.

Ami go home and MAGA? You seem to be happy with oligarchy, better don't expect any confetti for that. Thanks for making the invisible prejudices visible though!



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

"Democracy," when used in this context, is shorthand for "liberal democracy," of which a representative republic is an example. George Soros, who has experienced totalitarianism first hand, is dedicated to spreading liberal democracy. Why do you hate and fear spreading American style government? Why do you applaud the efforts of an unreconstructed Nazi... because that is what the Hungarian leader actually is. That is why he hates and fears a Jew who is dedicated to destroying Fascism.



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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So why is the nation of Israel supporting Hungary? You think Israel supports Nazis? Once again, "liberal democracy" really means rule by majority (or mob). By definition, that majority can impose its will on the individual, which is known as tyranny of majority - no thanks.

Anything that even resembles socialism, communism or totalitarianism must be destroyed and discredited - those things are direct threats to our Constitutional representative democratic republic. Democracy is OK, when it is limited by an overarching doctrine (like our Constitution/BOR), but cannot be the sole means of making determinations.

This is exactly why the popular vote doesn't elect the POTUS. It is also why a majority of people can't simply get together and decide to start revoking civil rights enumerated in the BOR.

Democracy isn't a bad thing, but direct and total democracy is. The best example is two wolves and a lamb voting on who to eat for dinner. Our Constitution represents an armed lamb contesting the will of the wolves.

Liberalism, by itself, is also not a bad thing. But when you start imposing those views on everyone else through legislation (as opposed to just living your life how you want to live it), there is a problem. For example, just because you don't like something (like guns, or free speech) doesn't give you the right to try to codify your disapproval. If you disapprove of people carrying guns, or so-called "hate speech" then you have the right to not carry a gun, or engage in so-called "hate speech." However, those who do choose to exercise those Constitutional rights are free to do so, without any explanation or interference from others who choose the opposite.

My problem is the attempts to inflict an arbitrary will unto other individuals. It is OK to not like something without trying to give the already huge & bloated government even more power to infringe and interfere with our daily lives. A lot of conservatives don't want to have to deal with government any more than absolutely required for basic existence, we absolutely will not accept a large and invasive government.

Any compromises or concessions between the left and right will have to be with the knowledge that:

1) the government is far too big and invasive, and must shrink and play a much, much, MUCH smaller role in our day-to-day lives;

2) the government has no rights not explicitly given to it by the people & Constitution (as the Constitution clearly states);

3) that all of the "social issues" can only be resolved through private foundations and private citizens charity/action, not through government mandate or forced redistribution (like taxes paying for various social programs);

4) that other "pet issues" need not be resolved, because each individual can choose for themselves whether or not they agree or disagree. There doesn't need to be any more laws created (we actually need to wipe out ~90% of laws/government agencies) nor does any group (no matter how large) have the right to legislate away our unalienable rights.

Beyond that, I have no problems with agreeing to disagree with the left. As long as you keep your will and opinions away from my life, I promise to do the EXACT same.



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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And another thing, I hate and fear American style government because our system is corrupt as hell!

Our system breeds corruption and influence from the rich and special interests. This system breeds corrupt liars, interested in their own success and not the people who give them permission to represent them.

Our system has created a massive and bloated government filled with wastefulness and contempt for the citizens that give it the right to exist. It has (starting in the 1900s) began a steady campaign of eroding our Constitutional rights, and taking control away from the private citizen and into the hands of public government. Replacing personal judgment and individual responsibility with legislation is needed only in the rarest of circumstances.

In my personal opinion, Trump's election was a soft coup by the American people against the deep state. It is also my personal opinion that he is the people's last hope for avoiding [REDACTED] amendment solutions for a massive, invasive, corrupt, infringing & rogue [REDACTED].

Just my opinion/thoughts, however. I do not seek the limit the rights of any individual. However, there are large groups of people actively seeking to subvert and bypass the Constitution which IMHO is not something we should be accepting (on either side/party/ideology).
edit on 10/31/2017 by JBurns because: [REDACTED] to avoid potential oppression by the deep state forces.



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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Soros & The Myth Of European Democracy: A Shocking Revelation

People seems to discover about this particular document but I remember mentioning it here on ATS back in March this year :


originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Found this interesting from the Open society foundation itself :

Reliable allies in the EU parliment (2014-2019)

This lists the 226 EU deputies (out of 751) from whom Soros could get support.
I'll take the opportunity to lists the Belgians crooks :

. Maria ARENA
. Hugues BAYET
. Mark DEMESMAEKER
. Gérard DEPREZ
. Philippe LAMBERTS
. Louis MICHEL
. Annemie NEYTS-UYTTEBROECK
. Claude ROLIN
. Marc TARABELLA
. Kathleen VAN BREMPT
. Guy VERHOFSTADT



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: JBurns




Our system breeds corruption and influence from the rich and special interests. This system breeds corrupt liars, interested in their own success and not the people who give them permission to represent them.


And yet you're willing to support Victor Orban in this, a known corrupt oligarch ond openly fascist douchebag. You don't make any sense whatsoever.
Instead, you're supporting a right wingers move to further deny people their godgiven rights. Which includes the support of politicial groups within the democratic framework. I'm pretty sure Soros knows what he's doing, there isn't any violation of the Hungarian constitution on the table. Just baseless accusations and hot election circlejerk air. I fail to see your point.



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Soros & The Myth Of European Democracy: A Shocking Revelation

People seems to discover about this particular document but I remember mentioning it here on ATS back in March this year :


originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Found this interesting from the Open society foundation itself :

Reliable allies in the EU parliment (2014-2019)

This lists the 226 EU deputies (out of 751) from whom Soros could get support.
I'll take the opportunity to lists the Belgians crooks :

. Maria ARENA
. Hugues BAYET
. Mark DEMESMAEKER
. Gérard DEPREZ
. Philippe LAMBERTS
. Louis MICHEL
. Annemie NEYTS-UYTTEBROECK
. Claude ROLIN
. Marc TARABELLA
. Kathleen VAN BREMPT
. Guy VERHOFSTADT


Man, you just love those Kremlin run websites, don't you?



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Low-level source bashing is handy to avoid critical thinking isn't it ? Do not even need to mention the content of an article with that kind of idiotic ranting.



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: DJW001

Low-level source bashing is handy to avoid critical thinking isn't it ? Do not even need to mention the content of an article with that kind of idiotic ranting.


I believe I have pointed out the antisemitic nature of the Soros allegations countless times. For those wishing a clarification of my above remarks, see below:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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You are incorrect though, unless you're accusing Israel of anti-Semitism also?

Israel specifically addressed the concerns of anti-Semitism, implying they would be used to deflect from the allegations. Israel said even though Hungary's PM has engaged in anti-Semitic talk before, he was nevertheless correct in saying Soros was a threat.



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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Actually, I can now totally debunk your claim that anti-Soros beliefs are somehow anti-Semitic.

SOURCE: Haaretz


Israel's New 'Soros Bill' Aims to Stop Funds From 'anti-Semitic' Donors
read more: www.haaretz.com...

MK Miki Zohar (Likud) announced on Monday that he planned to submit a bill that would make it harder for leftist organizations to receive funding from organizations considered hostile to Israel.

He said the bill, named for mogul George Soros, won the approval of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

read more: www.haaretz.com...


You were saying? Unless you're trying to accuse Israel of anti-Semitism.

Soros runs a hostile network of subversive organizations and is being recognized for the threat he is by six separate nations now. These nations should take steps to criminally charge and extradite this criminal. His behavior borders on enemy combatant activity.

One of the highlights from the article:


Israeli government to form inquiry committee probing foreign funding of left-wing groups


This is the exact same BS going on in the US and many other invaded nations. Time to deport or lock this guy up already. Surely there is some type of enemy combatant status at least one of these nations can use to break through Soros' use of certain laws protecting political activities. This is needed because his activities far exceeds the scope of protected activities.



Soros allegations are not anti-Semitic.
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posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: DJW001

Low-level source bashing is handy to avoid critical thinking isn't it ? Do not even need to mention the content of an article with that kind of idiotic ranting.


I believe I have pointed out the antisemitic nature of the Soros allegations countless times. For those wishing a clarification of my above remarks, see below:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Yep. Israel that well known antisemitic state.

Attempting to build a Jewish ethnostate stretching from the Sinai to the Tigris through genocide and displacement are key goals of your average antisemite organisation.



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: DJW001


You are incorrect though, unless you're accusing Israel of anti-Semitism also?

Israel specifically addressed the concerns of anti-Semitism, implying they would be used to deflect from the allegations. Israel said even though Hungary's PM has engaged in anti-Semitic talk before, he was nevertheless correct in saying Soros was a threat.

Israel has swung so far to the right that they consider "left wing" organizations that espouse human rights and liberal democracy to be a threat. This is also true in fascist states like Russia, and in would be fascist states like Hungary.

George Soros is frequently singled out as being behind sinister plots because he is rich, politically active, and Jewish. Note that Bill Gates is also rich and politically active, and yet he does not figure in nearly as many conspiracy theories. (Please don't post a link to allegations made by anti-vaxxers, as though that would disprove my point.)



posted on Nov, 9 2017 @ 06:14 PM
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What if the Koch brothers were funding paramilitary organizations in the United States to destroy property and intimidate practitioners of free speech (Berkley, etc)? What if their ultimate goal was to introduce change to your current system of government that was neither approved by the people nor permitted by the Constitution (or respective national legal systems)?

You can't just come to the US and other sovereign nations and throw a bunch of money into revolutionary groups and expect the government to stand by. He is attempting to destabilize these nations and install an un-elected/un-vetted form of government.

This is subversion. One of his stated intentions is dissolving national borders, which is in direct contradiction to the sovereignty, authority and will of each respective nation.

Thankfully Likud is on his trail. Israel has a real knack for handling threats to its security and taking care of business when the US can't/won't.
edit on 11/9/2017 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 10 2017 @ 03:01 AM
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You keep on bringing Soros jewishness on the table to poison the well with antisemtic claims.
As if every jewish people on earth was a rich mogul corrupting people while hiding himself behind claims of suposedly promoting liberal democracy. Such claims are antisemtism and that is what you are up to atm.
You have NEVER EVER and NEVER WILL explain why as of you jewishness is an excuse to avoid criticism.

Still, you used your ranting for what it serves you : avoid critical thinking and avoid to consider a specific embarassing article content.
You don't just judge book by their covers, you burn them because of their author.



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