a reply to: windword
I dont know, do you?
the problem with hearsay evidence (he said/she said) is its almost impossible to prove in court. Look at whats happened with the Cosby trial.
There is another problem with belated accusations - the time that was allowed to pass since the alleged offense. It raises legitimate questions about
what motive the accuser may have for waiting until a certain time to make the allegation. It also calls into question how serious the incident was
perceived to be by the alleged victim WHEN it happened. This is why i asked Kandinsky a very salient question: when does sexual assault become sexual
assault? When the touch happens and is not protested, or when the person decides LATER that they didnt like what happened?
There is simply no way to know what was or is in the mind of the accuser both when the incident took place as well as the time since it occurred. This
leaves the audience no other choice but to CHOOSE what to believe based on their own biases.
Lets be real about this. People are choosing to pile on because it appears the social climate exists to lend more support to alleged victims than
earlier. It doesnt mean that the allegations are false across the board, but thinking, SKEPTICAL people should ask reasonable, legitimate questions
about WHY the delay. Why wait decades? This does NOT serve the interest of the victims AT ALL! What justice do they hope to get? There is none.
And by the way, during the years they stayed silent perhaps many more people were being victimized. I dont know what you call that, but i call it
being complicit. Can victims be complicit in the acts of an abuser by remaining silent? Absolutely. Victims become victimizers all of the time. The
only sticking point is how and when you define when the victim becomes complicit.
If i am abused as a child by my uncle and when im an adult and i know the uncle is still abusing children and i say nothing am i not complicit? Of
course i am. I am STILL a victim....but i am ALSO covering up for abuse which is the same as aiding and abetting.
I personally dont know how rational people can see it any other way. If you know a crime is happening and you say nothing you are complicit. It
doesnt change the fact you are a victim, but it does add the additional burden of now being an enabler.
I know this is about Trump but the principle at the heart of this issue in my mind is one thing: personal responsibility.
Do we believe people are responsible for their OWN actions? If yes then you cannot magically take that away as soon as they become victims of abuse by
another person who is ALSO responsible for their own actions. Both are responsible for moving their arms and legs in a certain direction where things
end up happening.
As i said before, if you voluntarily enter into the spiders den knowing exactly what it is you have a degree of responsibility in creating the
circumstances that leads to whatever happens. Some choose to call that victim blaming.
I have sisters, four of them in fact. If my ADULT sister tells me she plans on going to a concert in a part of town KNOWN for being crime central
where there is drug dealing, prostitution, robbery, gang shootings and the like and i tell her this and maybe she already knows this, but she goes
anyway and has something bad happen to her will i tell her "shame on you, you knew better" ? No, but i will also not divest her of all personal
responsibility knowingly putting herself in a guaranteed dangerous situation.
I honestly dont know how people can take away all personal responsibility from victims of assault or anything else when they were fully aware of the
risks their actions could bring upon them. It doesnt mean i blame them, but they ARE responsible for putting themselves there. It also doesnt change
the fact that the person who perpetrates a crime is ALSO responsible for THEIR OWN actions.
Is this rocket science? do we believe in magical thinking?
edit on 28-10-2017 by tribal because: link