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posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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a reply to: JBurns



Eh, that's your right. I disagree with many things you probably stand for, but I guess that's my right.


It is my right, as it is yours.

I respect your rights, but at least you should know what you are talking about before you make vast generalizations.



There was nothing ridiculous about my post.


When it begins with "you Leftists", ya...it's ridiculous and illogical.



It was a generalization depicting what many leftists (especially on sites like DU, the mind numbing echo chamber of purity testing) have been saying about Trump for almost a year.


So you admit it's a generalization.

Cool.

Not my problem.



Just after they finished mocking and deriding Trump supporters for expressing concerns the elections would be rigged (ie: non Citizens voting, foreign influence, etc)


As it should be.

Trump and his supporters claimed the election would be rigged.

Come to find out, it wasn't. They deserve a bit of egg on their face for that idiocy.



the Democrats changed their narrative to this Trump-Russia nonsense.


Turns out there was something to that.



Nearly every (D) who hurls these accusations around does so in a way that proclaims it is a proven fact, as opposed to unsubstantiated innuendo and rumors.


I'm a Leftist. Not a Democrat. So I am not responsible for that in any form.



If you haven't personally engaged in such logical fallacies and blatant nonsense, then it obviously doesn't apply to you.


Perhaps you should know that before you post such ridiculousness.



Otherwise, many of your other sky-screamers (yes, that's real) have no problem proclaiming that the Trump/Russia nonsense is a proven and settled issue. Despite the fact that this current investigation has nothing to do with Trump/Russia, but foreign influence and corruption matters not to MOST leftists.


This has nothing at all to do with Russia and Trump?

Can you prove that?



Too busy burying their heads in echo chambers like DU and Buzzfeed I guess. In any case, at least you're on ATS which means you at least have an open enough mind to read opposing points of view. So, thumbs up for that


I love opposing views. Especially when they offer evidence and facts that contradict what I know.

Sadly, facts are a rare commodity.

So is basic logic.




posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: introvert

It’s corrupt...

Underlings may goto jail, for whatever law written they broke that is convenient. It’s a facade. The people’s biggest concern right now is why the soviets and their influence is so close to our federal government.....


Period nothing else, that would be my demand....



Why did the Soviets interfere and whom did they use to interfere?

That is the question.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: JBurns


Trump and his supporters claimed the election would be rigged.

Come to find out, it wasn't. They deserve a bit of egg on their face for that idiocy.




'You are absolutely sure the election wasnt rigged?

Prove it.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: JBurns


Trump and his supporters claimed the election would be rigged.

Come to find out, it wasn't. They deserve a bit of egg on their face for that idiocy.




'You are absolutely sure the election wasnt rigged?

Prove it.


Trump won.

Unless Trump rigged it.




posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: JBurns


Trump and his supporters claimed the election would be rigged.

Come to find out, it wasn't. They deserve a bit of egg on their face for that idiocy.




'You are absolutely sure the election wasnt rigged?

Prove it.


Trump won.

Unless Trump rigged it.



That is not proof that the election wasnt rigged.

You made an absolute statement.

Prove it.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: introvert


Looks like they played both parties.. whatever the case it’s been going on for awhile.. not just a whom, it’s plural...


Something is up. We can go back to the Obama hot mic Soviet meeting for conjecture, that’s all we will get, til whatever the goal is will be achieved I guess..

Night



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:02 PM
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a reply to: Grambler



That is not proof that the election wasnt rigged.


That is proof it was not rigged in favor of the Democrats, as has been posited. Are you trying to assert that Trump could have rigged the election in his favor?

On that point I concede.

I should not have made an absolute statement when it is possible Trump rigged the election in his favor, somehow...with a little help from his friends.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



That is not proof that the election wasnt rigged.


That is proof it was not rigged in favor of the Democrats, as has been posited. Are you trying to assert that Trump could have rigged the election in his favor?

On that point I concede.

I should not have made an absolute statement when it is possible Trump rigged the election in his favor, somehow...with a little help from his friends.





Who won is irrelevant to the question of rather it was rigged.

It is possible for someone to rig an election and still lose.

You made an absolute statement that the election wasnt rigged.

You cant prove it.

So you are a liar.
edit on 30-10-2017 by Grambler because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:10 PM
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a reply to: introvert


There are no more Soviets, thanks for playing. You've shown you have no interest in reality, so I'll take your claims for what they truly are - opinion & innuendo paraded as fact to attack someone you don't like. Not saying you don't have the right to have that opinion or speak freely, that much I support. Clearly we disagree, and that is fine with me.

No big deal.


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posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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Hey so did these indictments really happen? I’m seeing it all over the mainstream. Are the indictments fake news? Is the Russia investigation still fake news?

Or did we move those goal posts already?


edit on 30-10-2017 by spiritualzombie because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



That is not proof that the election wasnt rigged.


That is proof it was not rigged in favor of the Democrats, as has been posited. Are you trying to assert that Trump could have rigged the election in his favor?

On that point I concede.

I should not have made an absolute statement when it is possible Trump rigged the election in his favor, somehow...with a little help from his friends.





Who won is irrelevant to the question of rather it was rigged.

It is possible for someone to rig an election and still lose.

You made an absolute statement that the election wasnt rigged.

You cant prove it.

So you are a liar.


Bingo.

Now you are starting to get it!

It's the small things that make a huge difference in regards to context and nuance.

Glad you fell for it.



Do you get it now?



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

So you can't answer the question?



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



That is not proof that the election wasnt rigged.


That is proof it was not rigged in favor of the Democrats, as has been posited. Are you trying to assert that Trump could have rigged the election in his favor?

On that point I concede.

I should not have made an absolute statement when it is possible Trump rigged the election in his favor, somehow...with a little help from his friends.





Who won is irrelevant to the question of rather it was rigged.

It is possible for someone to rig an election and still lose.

You made an absolute statement that the election wasnt rigged.

You cant prove it.

So you are a liar.


Bingo.

Now you are starting to get it!

It's the small things that make a huge difference in regards to context and nuance.

Glad you fell for it.



Do you get it now?


I get you are a liar.

You make absolute claims that you cant back up.

Dont worry, I will point out in the future when you do this, just to help you out.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



That is not proof that the election wasnt rigged.


That is proof it was not rigged in favor of the Democrats, as has been posited. Are you trying to assert that Trump could have rigged the election in his favor?

On that point I concede.

I should not have made an absolute statement when it is possible Trump rigged the election in his favor, somehow...with a little help from his friends.





Who won is irrelevant to the question of rather it was rigged.

It is possible for someone to rig an election and still lose.

You made an absolute statement that the election wasnt rigged.

You cant prove it.

So you are a liar.


Bingo.

Now you are starting to get it!

It's the small things that make a huge difference in regards to context and nuance.

Glad you fell for it.



Do you get it now?


I get you are a liar.

You make absolute claims that you cant back up.

Dont worry, I will point out in the future when you do this, just to help you out.


You really don't understand what just happened, do you?

Your think you discredited me, but you discredited yourself.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:28 PM
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www.cnn.com...

In an interview on MSNBC, Page, who's scheduled to testify behind closed doors before a House intelligence committee panel Thursday, said he "might have been" on email threads with Papadopoulos where Russia "may have come up from time to time," but clarified that "nothing major" was discussed. Page, who told the Senate intelligence committee in May he had "brief interactions" with low-level Russian officials in 2013, traveled to Moscow in July 2016, shortly after Papadopoulos forwarded a request from Russian officials to meet with Trump or someone in the Trump campaign.
so that seems to take page out of play



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:30 PM
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Guys, help me out here... For the last year I've been hearing these solid defenses like "Russia! Russia! Russia!" and "Russia is Fake News!" So, how is any of this possible? The charges must be fake news too... right?



edit on 30-10-2017 by spiritualzombie because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
No one here has claimed that anyone in the Trump Campaign will be arrested and charged with collusion.

This is a logical fallacy the size of Texas.

What has been said, and what is proven now beyond a single shadow of a doubt, is that the Trump campaign through multiple associates worked directly with Russian agents directed by Vladimir Putin to influence the General Election 2016 and that is called collusion. That fact has been lied about consistently from the top to the bottom of the Trump power structure.

And that, if nothing else, is simply the truth. It is fact. Furthermore, it is a fact that should change American politics forever. Before that can happen, however, the liars and traitors have to be seen for what they are, and they have to be stood up against.

Liars have been allowed to dominate the political discourse in this country for far too long. This must be stopped.


How is it clear Vladimir Putin influenced the election? Are you talking about the 100k in facebook ads? Because that is the only thing that has been proven - maybe.

How in the hell do you get collusion from that?

Simply stating it is the truth there was collusion 5 times with no proof or examples convinces no one.



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 12:26 AM
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Top of Drudge




posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 12:27 AM
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a reply to: proximo


You mean that Putin wasn't working through Alex Jones and Roger Stone of InfoWars?



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 02:41 AM
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Ryan Saavedra 🇺🇸‏Verified account @RealSaavedra 5h5 hours ago

Kremlin-backed Russian entity called RUSNANO gave $35 million to John Podesta’s company while he advised Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.




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