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Majority Of White Americans Say They Face Discrimination

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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: Merlynn

Those is not the only variables...

Maybe the black chic was cheaper.. maybe the veteran was an @$$..

Exc.




posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Greven

The amount of hurdles you are willing to jump through to be allowed to say its ok to say men are more violent, but not black people is disturbing.

You really want to demonize men dont you.

Yes lets take your example. There are more unsolved murders than solved ones.

For all we know, they could have all been committed by women.

Therefore you are a bigot by claiming men commit more murder.

Thanks for the admission.

Again, no. There is no admission.

You foolishly failed to understand the math. What should have tipped you off is the fact that 64% of murders in that example were cleared, but white and black men make up 100% of those cleared murders.

The example is illustrative, as there was discussion about majority of murders being black. In reality, murders are broken down about like this, from 2015:
Total 15,326
Male 9,553
Female 1,180
Unknown 4,593

That looks like right at 70% of murders having offenders, right?

Not quite... there can be more offenders than victims:
Total 13,455
Male 10,608
Female 2,818
Unknown 29

What this means is that, of the 13,455 murders, 4,593 of those have one or more unknown offenders, or just over 34% that are not cleared.

Note, however, the number of male and female offenders. Even if every unknown offender was female, it would be lower than the number of known male offenders. Of the 8,862 cleared murders, they have charged 10,733 people - a rate of approximately 1.21 offenders per murder.

Supposing that holds, and that every single unknown offender were female and combining the known female offenders... it's still less than the number of known male offenders.

Again, this is something borne out by the data - we can most certainly say men are more violent than women. Sorry that you would rather embrace ignorance and resort to name calling.

Stating that truth doesn't make me a bigot, sorry. For the record, definition of 'bigot' is someone who is intolerant of any other idea (etc). A key part of that is 'any other' - not just yours.
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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Either way it is absolutely not some dire threat to society..



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Grambler

Have you heard of this book?

The Better Angels Of Our Nature

I doubt it would be popular here on ATS, given how most people are gluttons for doom-porn. It's actually a surprisng and eye-opening book that I really want to explore more myself:



The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined is a 2011 book by Steven Pinker, in which he argues that violence in the world has declined both in the long run and in the short run and suggests explanations as to why this has occurred.[1] The book contains a wealth of data simply documenting violence across time and geography. This paints a picture of massive declines in violence of all forms, from war, to improved treatment of children. He highlights the role of nation-state monopolies on force, of commerce (making "other people become more valuable alive than dead"), of increased literacy and communication (promoting empathy), as well as a rise in a rational problem-solving orientation as possible causes of this decline in violence. He notes that, paradoxically, our impression of violence has not tracked this decline, perhaps because of increased communication,[2] and that further decline is not inevitable, but is contingent on forces harnessing our better motivations such as empathy and increases in reason.


So, while violence across the globe is literally at an all-time historical low point -- we're lead to believe through our media and perception of reality that it's a crazy, dangerous, and violent world out there.

It might make a good thread, and it's certainly on my to-read list.


As a victim of black violent crime, it is more dangerous than we are led to believe. Mainly because we are not told the truth. A lot of crimes are brought to court and a lesser charge is granted. Believe it or not, some murderers are let do--as in no crime. This is one of the ways they make crime rates look like they are going down.

Murders who will not be charged.

naeem davis

palm beach

vote blacks innocent

www.youtube.com...

I had more, but did not keep the links. They were on videos like the last link. Too many to go through to find them.





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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 06:54 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Merlynn

Those is not the only variables...

Maybe the black chic was cheaper.. maybe the veteran was an @$$..

Exc.


You really didn't watch the video. How could you comment and not watch the video? The waiting was just to take the test. Absolutely no money involved at that point.

Like I said before. They are both entry level jobs-they pay the same.

And how would you explain the 6 year waiting for the guy, while the black woman only had to wait a week. Really less than a week, I believe they told her she could take the test earlier.

Try not to be so thick.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Greven

I have to give you credit for trying to spin numbers.

Again this is all stupid, and just an attempt at you to demonize men. What a grand attempt at bigotry!

You were very clear in your example. You said that the amount of cases cleared was not important, only the cases solved.

In your example, more murders were unsolved than solved.

Hence you have no idea if those unsolved murders were committed by women, meaning you are a bigot.

Now with these numbers.

Show me that more than half of all murders were solved and committed by men. Not cleared, solved.

And remember, as you said, some murders are committed by more than one person.

If you cant provide that evidence, you admit you are a bigot.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: Grambler
Prove your own point. I honestly don't have time to continue this nonsense.

I've expended enough effort trying to discuss things rationally with people in this thread, to be met with personal attacks and ludicrous scenarios by which women somehow magically commit more murders than men.

e: Oh, and quote me when you want to make claims about what I have written, because you have misquoted me and it wears thin.
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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 07:02 PM
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Attention Please

Some of the comments are getting a little personal. Please remember the topic is never each other or opinions of each other and constantly ignoring the rules can and will lead to Posting Bans or Permanent Bans.

If you can't post without the insults, take a break and move on please.

Do not reply to this post.
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posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Grambler
Prove your own point. I honestly don't have time to continue this nonsense.

I've expended enough effort trying to discuss things rationally with people in this thread, to be met with personal attacks and ludicrous scenarios by which women somehow magically commit more murders than men.

e: Oh, and quote me when you want to make claims about what I have written, because you have misquoted me and it wears thin.


Why should I prove your point?

I am engaging in your standard, which is that if there are enough unsolved murders out there that could possibly mean that a group didnt commit more murders than the opposite group, then it is wrong to say that one group commits more than the other.

Ok fare enough.

You say men commit more murder than women.

So prove to me that the majority of murders are solved, and that men committed them, or else it would be wrong to say men committed more murder.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Kettu

They might not.. if there names are Jaden Smith lol...

I think that ithe problem Is that “White privledge” isn’t accurate...it is actually “black discrimination.”

I think that’s what provides the false arguments people use to pretend there is no institutional racism.

If your born in a trailer park your not gonna have a much easier time than your average black guy.


My black friend and I had a long talk one night, and he told me how when he was a young teenager his dad had "the talk" with him. He told him, "Son, it's a white man's world. You've got to be careful, and go along to get along."

Outside of niche products and slices of the entertainment industry, western society is truly geared for, and indeed designed to satisfy "white people". In a sense, it actually is a "white man's world".

Now, whether or not that fact translates into some kind of discrimination ... that's a difficult question to answer. I will say that it probably doesn't help with unspoken biases our society perpetuates.

There seems to have been an intentional push to sensationalize absurd examples of white/black people in order to divide and maintain racial rivalry. Both black and white people are typecast into specific Holywood roles, and TV news media carefully chooses loaded keywords for one skin color, or another skin color. A black kid caught stealing a car is a "thug" whereas a white kid caught stealing a car is a "juvenile delinquent" (if it is even reported at all).

When you keep the middle and lower classes of America fighting over something stupid like race, they can't all unite and realize that the top .1% (not even the 1%, but the zero-point-one-percent) has been screwing everyone.


Seems more like child abuse.

I've lived in worked in other countries.

When I lived in Korea, it was a Korean world.

When I lived in the middle east (Saudi and UAE), it was a muslim world.

A kid may be a thug or delinquent, they are both criminals and need to do time. Sometimes they do that in the news because they can't say they were black. The media say teens or vague description, those both mean black too.

What really was his point?



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ketsuko

Either way it is absolutely not some dire threat to society..


And there is a dire threat to society involved somewhere here?

Most of what we've done in this thread is argue back and forth about which group is the most put upon and victimized because they simply feel that way. So far as I know, there is no way to quantify a person's feelings, only to validate them.

People *feel* they face discrimination. You can say they don't, but that doesn't change that they *feel* they do.

The real discussion should be why they feel that way.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: SR1TX

100% not true. Unwarranted discrimination can totally happen.

I'm white. I've been discriminated again in Cali multiple times.

I had someone I never met before stalk me and send me threats on Facebook. He wasn't even from the same town. His rational is that my brother and I had pictures of us jumping into snow in only shorts, so we must be crazed drug addicts. Nevermind we're as North as you get in the US, routinely face 40 below in the winter, and have easily adopted to 30 degree weather by spring time.

I had a lady come stand directly in front of me while working at a Starbucks. She said, "Its a pity there are so many white people on the walls (ie pictures), we should get rid of them."

Completely unwarranted in both cases. People are just getting crazy these days.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: Merlynn

1) Because anecdotal evidence, isn’t evidence.. it doesn’t matter what horror stories a handful of people tell.. and that’s for either political faction.

I get super tired of all this “commenters on reddit say” BS.. if it’s not an elected official or the head of some big group. It is meaningless.

2) we only have the person passed overs account.. which literally could not be a more biased source.

3) I’m white and live in America, I know how much I am discriminated against because I’m white.. zero.

I’ve been discriminated against for being short, skinny and anti social (in my old age) but never for being white..

Does it happen?? I’m sure.

Is Iran institutional problem is the question and it is absolutely not.


HOWEVER!!!

The way it was handled legally, where white males have little to no legal protections is ridiculous.

That I promise you used to be an advantage, but has since provided the fodder for the conspiracy theory..

I think that last part deserves a thread.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Why yes. I do too believe that a great many white people in this country are suffering from an exaggerated persecution complex. I see tons of them on ATS all the time.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Grambler

Why yes. I do too believe that a great many white people in this country are suffering from an exaggerated persecution complex. I see tons of them on ATS all the time.


Its not a persecution complex. Its indignation.

If things were phrased differently, so that white folks weren't portrayed as the devil incarnate in media, then the white folks you see online would likely be more willing to admit that the system is unjust. I've yet to meet someone who won't agree with that to at least some degree.

But to suggest that someone has privilege when they bust their ass just trying to scrape by...its insulting. Add to this that people love to only read the crazy headlines, and the tendency of whacko's to propagate hoax stories, and white folks are frequented with scare media telling them they are being asked to give up homes and whatnot.

Its not that the people you are referring to are dumb. Or are rolling in hyperbole. Its that there are real reasons that people react the way they do.



posted on Oct, 30 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: Greven


If as you say I am wearing rose colored glasses, I could be forgiven for it as there are a lot of people wearing them these days. Ever wonder if you yourself might be?

Do go on and explain how I am.


I wasn't asserting you are, I was asking you if you might in fact be seeing just what you want to see. Not an assertion, a question.



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I'm not accusing them of being dumb. I'm just saying their persecution complex is rather exaggerated and you definitely got into a lot of the reasons why. People just need to take a step back from the conspiracy theory abyss and take a breath of reality air.



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: dug88
Meh I've faced discrimination lots. The difference is I don't whine about it and honestly I expect it. The world is a racist place. Outside of media and colleges and # no one gives a crap. Go spend some time with people from outside of North America and racism is normal. It's not that people hate other races, it's that they have no qualms about pointing out differences to their own culture. Personaly I see absolutely nothing wrong with that and if people get upset that people around the world point out eachothers differences then they really need to grow the # up. Almost every conversation I've ever had with someone from another country has started with them asking me "what race are you?" Or "where are you from?" And instead of being offended I answer their question, ask them the same thing back and then we get to know eachother. I honestly cannot understand in the slightest how discussing obvious differences between people is offensive. If anything it seems kind of offensive to pretend something so blatantly #ing obvious doesn't exist.

Best post of the whole thread.

I'm a 49 y.o. white male. When I worked for the Federal government in the early 90's, I was up for promotion. I had all my requirements. I put a lot of extra work in that promotion period to ensure that I would make it. Promotions come out, I'm not on the list but a coworker, who was black, was on the list. This coworker was late most days, did not complete his work on time and most of the time could be found sitting in the cafeteria reading. I spoke to the division chief about it. She was a black woman who was one of the most qualified and dedicated bosses I've ever had. She told me that she knew that I was the correct candidate to promote, but due to the affirmative action laws in place she had to promote the other guy because her division was out of proportion. She also let me know that it didn't look good for me for about 2 years.

I was extremely grateful to her for telling me the truth. I also read the words that she couldn't tell me, that I would be better off leaving the government. I didn't complain about it, but acted on the advice. I went to a private company that contracts with the government.

I will say that it's frustrating to hear people say that discrimination doesn't happen to white people. It does happen. The discrimination that I experienced wasn't something life threatening like some minority people have experienced. But it still happened.

Discrimination will always exist. The only way it won't exist is if we all looked the same and believed the same things. But if that ever happened, I'm sure we'd come up with some other reason to hate on another group.

The only thing we, as individuals, can do is recognize that it happens to every group of people. If we find ourselves discriminating against someone else, we need to see it for what it is and attempt to stop.



posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 07:23 AM
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White folks are not portrayed as the devil incarnate...

Conservative media pretends they are , but that’s silly because the vast majority of their customers are white.. the people they sell ad time to are white.. most of the reporters are white..


There is a difference between admitting the issues with your society and “demonizing all white people.”

It’s ridiculous.
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posted on Oct, 31 2017 @ 07:34 AM
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The only real true discrimination in this society that matters is between class not race.

The sooner people get it out of their head that the rich elites that are white have any connection to the rest of us with white skin the sooner we can actually fix most of the reasons people of all physical features are suffering down here at the bottom the the heap.

As long as we keep pretending the imaginary concept of race has any meaning and fight over that like two dogs in a cage unaware that it's our masters outside the cage that put us there to begin with, we'll be fighting each other for scraps forever.

Are white people feeling discriminated against? Of course many are, it's by design. The language used in most things is specifically used in such a way as to incite division rather than create any type of real unity between the huddled masses.

Let's stop with the tunnel vision.




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