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originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: jimmyx
That isn't about Russia.
It's about US. The costs of empire.
Note I didn't include the likes of WW1 WW2 or Korea.
But essentially every other conflict since the Spanish American War was all about imperial ambitions. The freedom to dominate is the "freedom" they're talking about when they say fighting for freedom.
so...how have YOU been "dominated" by America's freedoms?
I dont disagree per se... but what I'm seeing is essentially everyone on the 'left' in total utterly embarassing denial about ObamaHillayCo. being more of the same as BushCo.
Now if it weren't for all of their bush is [every flavor of tyrant and the like] mania a decade ago, then I could actually let them off the hook to some degree.
Because you see I was with them in that vein. Daily would I run his nuts through the ringer, especially in my own blog spots.
Part of all of that was their astute observations about his supporters, which they never seemed to get enough of harping insults about how stupid they must be to be so blind, kind of stuff.
I did talk quite a bit about that too, although I didnt have the left/right bias driving me to loathing as they did, I more spent my time trying to understand the psychology of groupthink blind loyalty yada yada.
My work began around 2005 when their bush adoration was peak. There were holdouts and they took hell from every direction for it, but at least by his final days most were ready to move on past him. Bad memory.
Then comes Obama with his alleged "socialized medicine", and oh boy did that get conservative types going out their shia'ite. And right then came the 'if you criticize obama that proves youre a racist bs', and that was my breaking point of acknowledging either camp (2011-2016).
The point were I got into the game of trying to wake up bush maniacs, seeing the 'Obama Honeymoon' I already knew full well he'd get re-elected and that until his true colors truly came out in full (what they all do the year of re-election) there's was no point in eve trying to get thru to anyone.
I expected I'd tune back in around 2014 and get back to the same work I had to do with the Bush people in 2005... and that wasn't possible.
So last year finally circumstances happened me back into the fold and my mind was blown. The SJW BS oh yeah that, but equally disturbing was ObamaHillaryCo. ultimately did the same broken campaign promise BS and more importantly did the same amount of destruction across the ME as Bush ever did.
And yet Obama was still the Saint. Hillary 'mother of ISIS' was the cats meow. The MSM 'blood riders' were the holy apostles. Etc.
10 years ago I rarely acknowledged the classical left/right road to nowhere 'Moral Emotional Wedge Issues' (abortion, stem cells, gay marriage etc).
I seriously didnt care for such issues, they just didnt matter to me, and I loathed the way each side was exact polar opposites across the board on that stuff, too busy foaming at the mouth over that stuff to sit down together about the stuff everyone agrees on.
Gay marriage in particular, I could see the conservative logic of not wanting them out raw parading everywhere kind of thing. I think a lot of them probably dont ultimately care what they do behind closed doors but are weary of it being toooo socially acceptable and it being a "Pride" (supremacist) thing. But on that I'd say 'eff it give it to them and that's one less wedge issue to divide & distract. Well they got the rights. And sure enough they got even louder about the pride crap.
But even more alarming is they got a bunch of other milestones along those sorts of lines, and yet were out in force even to teh degree of screaming for white cishet genocide... even thought hey already had everything they 'ever wanted'.
I insist this SJW trend wasn't some naturally occuring, organic movement, that at its heart this stuff was the results of decades of hardcore social engineering all come to outward fruition in one fell swoop... with Obama 'being elected'.
This identity politics is the most hardcore Mind Control via Influence possible, I declare.
Now many lib's will look at this and gasp and jerk their knees etc. Thoughts will race thru their head trying to rationalize my argument into me being some nutter...
An idea I can see many churning up against my notion is 'well the right was so down on the ropes after Bush why would the Dem's have to mind control us?'. Logic like that, about motives is one key avenue I could see their abject doubts about my rants being centered.
Now the WAR that was my kind of philosophical terrain, and I stood with the lib's then.
Yet in 2016 I see the left screaming and howling about any criticisms of Hillary's Arab Spring, Obama's drone strikes, the CIA's Al Qaeda operations, the drug war in Mexico their open borders policy has enabled, and so on.
And then the other facet is this is the Information Age. With the Internet our elite masters for the first time didnt have a monopoly on Truth. The longer it plays out without extreme measures on their part the more of it and everyone are a threat to their power.
And you know what, maybe they wouldn't necessarily care all that much if se this one only had one billion dollars instead of three, or that one owned majority stock in 27% market share in [insert industry here] instead of se 34% market share.
But as we intend to be liberated via cyberspace, they intend to gain immortality via cybernetics.
Where if they can get such tech today, that means everyone will be able to afford it in 'a few years'.
And that, to these overpopulation Machiavellian control freak monopoly men maniacs just has to be the ultimate threat.
So with this in mind, looking back on the advent and rise of the Internet, it was about the first year the Internet was actually 'a thing', here comes Ted Kaczynski with his manifesto which ended up being one of the first internet sensations ever. Then the likes of Bill Cooper, Alex Jones, and related anti-NWO OG CT'ers, here comes alternative news sources that anyone anywhere can instantly connect to, here comes Napster, here comes bitorrent, here comes streaming internet video, here comes..........
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001.
Go back to bed America, your government is in control again.
But wait, here comes the anti-war movement, here comes the 9/11 Truth Movement, here comes the anti-Federal Reserve / IRS movement, etc, all overlapping and coming to a head.
So then here comes the Great Recession, Obama and Identity Politics.
Mass Internet censorship now in vogue. Global military imperialism now again whats hot. Everyone too busy arguing to see thought eh facade and rise up as one. The masses on track to be too broke to ever afford the looming life extension technologies.
And so on.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
Again, you note the astuteness of the observation, and I would say that the only thing to add to that, is how daft it was to continue to support Obama after he made no proper attempt to gut the intelligence community and end their moves to take over control of foreign affairs, by way of narrative dictation, instead aiding and abetting them in stealing control of the Republic, from the people whose votes and taxes keep it running.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
Which was a ridiculous thing to suggest. It would have been more accurate to say, that if you criticise Obama's policies on equality, you might have some deep seated phobias relating to sex and gender, since he did very little as it happens, about the issue of xenophobia, and a great deal about the issue of homophobia and phobic behaviour more generally. More to the point, his alleged socialised medicine, as you are no doubt aware, was nothing of the sort. It still required private companies to insure the patient, and still permitted hospitals to be run as businesses, not as public services. This was fundamentally wrong of him, but on this specific point, was all he COULD get passed, in the time he had to pass anything at all. Obamacare was far from perfect, but more people were insured under that system than under any other, and I suppose that if one is not going to be able to banish the corporate sector from medicine, because the pushback would be too severe in congress, then one has to make some allowances. I would have, personally, being ideologically driven in that regard, insisted on FULLY socialised medicine, or no medicine at all, but thats just me.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
And yet all the real lefties out there, want rid of the war on drugs, because they know what it does to their communities and do not appreciate it.
Bush and the Neocon's started poking them with the missile shield stick.
Then Obama was on the way in ready to carry the same BS policy of imperialist expansion and the Russian agitation the Neocon's had bundled with it
Google was essentially a CIA NSA NSF NASA DARPA startup from the beginning.
Since Hillary, the CIA, Obama and McCain sent Al Qaeda and ISIS in to overthrow Assad immediately after the Arab Spring, it's not too far of a stretch that they were involved from the rip.
Now all the sudden it was all Russia's fault.
Now Russia did come to play into their hands it seems, although I'm still a bit fuzzy on the whole back story and covert shenanigans that went on there.
In November 2013 the political situation went haywire in Ukraine, and come March 2014 Russia annexed the long disputed territory of Crimea.
Now I'm never one to play apologist for imperialist expansions, but
it was always framed as "Russia was trying to help Trump", but in terms of motives effectively never was it "Russian was trying to hurt Hillary". They even had a long ideological set they apparently cooked up to explain the motives to "help Trump";
What I think your grand theory here is lacking is any addressing of the geopolitics, the agendas, the *why*. From the narrative you lay out, there's no real explanation except something about continuing neocon imperialism. That's not a reason. More importantly, it ignores absolutely everything that Russia has been up to.
One prevailing theory is that the reason behind overthrowing Assad is to thwart Russian energy hegemony, particularly in Eastern Europe where, among other things, Russians control a large chunk of the natural gas supply via pipelines. Guess where those gas pipelines run? Ukraine. (that's a link to the Wikipedia entry for the Ukraine gas disputes, it's a jumping off point at least)
We had Saddam as our SOB for a long time, and he had to go finally because he wasn't worth it.