a reply to: theantediluvian
As far as the dossier. This is probably a post that I will put on other threads as well because I thiink it is important.
There are several reasons why this dossier situation is far more serious than just normal opposition research.
1. Probably the least important, it proves the hypocrisy of the dems and media (not all) that were hysterical about russian collusion, particularly
with the don jr. fiasco. I wont spend too much time on this, but look at what some of these people were saying about don jr, things like anyone
trying to use information from russians to undermine their opponent was committing treason, ect. Now all of the sudden they are silent or
But again, this is far and away the least impactful thing that makes this different to me.
2. Hillarys team lying about funding it. Still not a catastrophic issue, but this sort of makes the next few issues magnified. Given the
importance of the dossier itself and the russian investigation in general, people especially congress, should have been informed of who paid for this
material. In fact, Fusion GPS and others refusing to disclose this info (which may be their right) makes this worse.
Why were they hiding this? It seems they knew that paying foreign sources who were getting dirt from russian agents would hurt their narrative, and
so they lied. It reall calls in to question just how serious these people re about weeding out russian influence.
3. Do to the fact that it relied on Kremlin connected sources, this dossier could have actually been the most direct way for Russia to influence the
US. Remember, most investigators admit that less than wanting a particular side to win, Russia just wanted to muck up the whole system and cause
problems. All they had to do was give the Hillary team paid steele some salacious material, and low and behold, the government of this country has
grinded to a halt, and division is higher than ever.
4. Now we start to get to the huge problems. If this dossier was used to obtain Fisa warrants, it is one of the most corrupt things that I have ever
seen in this country.
You mentioned how all sides including Trumps pay groups for opposition research, and how sometimes that can lead to an investigation. I agree with
this. But those investigations are at least known to the public. For example, the possible uranium one deal investigation. Everyone knows this is
going to happen. Now imagine instead of this being made public, the info was given to trump who then got Fisa warrants, and surveyed his political
opponents, without their knowldege. It would be an outrage.
Lets look at all the ways this is disgusting.
First, the dossier has disgusting allegations that have nothing to do with crimes (pee story), was written in a very amateur way, and has parts that
can be proven false in a very short period of time (Cohen meeting in Prague). For this then to be used to survey a political opponents campaign for
President is insane. The threshold for something like this has to be immensely high, or else every sitting president can utilize the intel community
against their opponent.
Next is the fact that as incredibly bad as getting the secret warrants to survey his opponent would be, Obama then went out of his way to make sure
this info was shared with as many intel people as possible, which all but assured leaks to the press. A situation like this involving a candidate for
President is so serious that it should be kept as tight lipped as possible, but Obama did the opposite.
Obama also told European allies that Trump may have shady connections to the Kremlin, thereby jeopordizing relationships with these countries in the
event that Trump won.
All of this is unique and the most authoritarian, election influencing action I have ever heard of.
The precedent has now been set for a sitting Presidents party to pay foreign agents to go to countries that we are rivals or enemies with, get any
kind of poorly written or scandalous info from that countries agents about the other parties candidate, then without the other party knowing it, get
Fisa warrants to investigate and survey them with the FBI, spread that info far and why and to make sure it gets leaked to the press, and even tell
allies about it.
In effect, this makes the FBI a tool for the sitting party to act as its own opposition research team; a team that can violate your rights and arrest
you. It is the most Orwellian thing imaginable, and should be rejected in the strongest possible terms, and all of those responsible need to be held
5. Then there is the matter of the FBI itself. They were going to pay Steele to continue this research, which is unbelievable. Not only was the
material Steele gave them scandalous, written poorly, and easily proven wrong in some parts, but they then decide they want more.
Think about this, the FBI has to know given the fact that this info could literally dictate who wins the Presidency, and possibly prove Russia trying
to subvert that election, they had to know this is one of the most serious and difficult cases they would deal with. So they hire a foreign agent who
was paid for by one of the candidates teams to go to russia and use russian sources to get more dirt? That is outrageous.
But it doesn't stop there. Now the FBI is stonewalling congressional subpoenas to testify as to this situation, and most importantly as to rather the
dossier was used to get warrants. Every single American should be livid over this. This reeks of the FBI being a political tool. Not to mention all
of the leaks that were coming out of the FBI in the first place.
It seems as if the FBI is basically acting as its own entity that is not accountable to the people. We are talking about one of the most powerful
agencies in the world, with the power to look into anyone life at a whim, possibly favoring one political party, and having no accountability to the
people whatsoever. This is a nightmare.
Remember when Schumer said the intel community can get back at people that anger them?
And then is just one issue (though a large one) in a bunch of very questionable issues involving the FBI recently.
Do to all of those reasons, I believe that if (and thats a big if) this dossier was used to get fisa warrants, this is the biggest scandal I have ever
seen, and the biggest threat to our system that I have ever seen.
People are worried about russia influencing our system (which they have every right to be) but that pales in comparison to how dangerous it would be
to have a sitting party weaponize the FBI against political opponents.