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originally posted by: TerminalVelocity
a reply to: dfnj2015
You just proved my point: Simply finding a person that everyone likes for POTUS alone will not fix everything.
originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: 3daysgone
What kind of 'leader' would everyone accept - for good?
The divide is so wide - who could fill the shoes for all parties?
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Olive branches are an act of conscience. Trump supporters reject conscience. No sign of that changing, so what's Plan B?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Olive branches are an act of conscience. Trump supporters reject conscience. No sign of that changing, so what's Plan B?
It sounds like you're rejecting it amid a flurry of bigotry.
I'm saying an olive branch is a meaningless gesture to people who reject conscience. They're too rigid. Actual Nazis would have a better time finding commonality. But because of the Xenophobia, they'd have to be American Nazis. As proof, American Nazis have found common ground with Trump Supporters.
I guess we can all agree to bury our conscience and get behind a leader who habitially uses childish insults, and also get behind hate and anger, and embrace some White Supremacists... then and only then could we find common ground -- but I guarantee it would be a raping of the soul every step of the way for anyone who values conscience.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: spiritualzombie
I'm saying an olive branch is a meaningless gesture to people who reject conscience. They're too rigid. Actual Nazis would have a better time finding commonality. But because of the Xenophobia, they'd have to be American Nazis. As proof, American Nazis have found common ground with Trump Supporters.
I guess we can all agree to bury our conscience and get behind a leader who habitially uses childish insults, and also get behind hate and anger, and embrace some White Supremacists... then and only then could we find common ground -- but I guarantee it would be a raping of the soul every step of the way for anyone who values conscience.
I'm not sure convicting people of thought and speech crimes and dehumanizing people for what they say and think is evidence of someone with a conscience.
Actually, speaking out against that sh*t is exactly what it means to have a conscience.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: spiritualzombie
Actually, speaking out against that sh*t is exactly what it means to have a conscience.
Yelling a bunch of buzzwords and pejoratives against people because of what some say and think isn't the sign of a conscience, but the sign of someone who thinks in slogans and is a censor.
I'm saying an olive branch is a meaningless gesture to people who reject conscience. They're too rigid.
Actual Nazis would have a better time finding commonality. But because of the Xenophobia, they'd have to be American Nazis. As proof, American Nazis have found common ground with Trump Supporters.
I guess we can all agree to bury our conscience and get behind a leader who habitially uses childish insults, and also get behind hate and anger, and embrace some White Supremacists...
...then and only then could we find common ground -- but I guarantee it would be a raping of the soul every step of the way for anyone who values conscience.
You're using generalizations. "because of what some say and think" Get specific. And be honest. The only way to find common ground with Trump supporters is to reject conscience. Trump people boo at Cruz when he suggested voting with your conscience. They cheer for torture and walls. They're eating their own republicans.
To get onboard with Trump supporters requires extremely rigid ideology and a total abandonment of conscience.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: spiritualzombie
I'm saying an olive branch is a meaningless gesture to people who reject conscience. They're too rigid.
So anyone who believes something different from you is "too rigid"? They "reject conscience"?
ISIS thinks different. Hitler thought different. Serial Killers think different. Get specific and stop hiding behind these vague generalizations.
World Wars are fought between people who think different.
Enter the "conscience" and right vs wrong becomes a little more clear.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: spiritualzombie
ISIS thinks different. Hitler thought different. Serial Killers think different. Get specific and stop hiding behind these vague generalizations.
World Wars are fought between people who think different.
Enter the "conscience" and right vs wrong becomes a little more clear.
Conscience is about behavior, right and wrong. Hitler and ISIS also dehumanized people they disagreed with.
originally posted by: 3daysgone
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I find the division is a necessary component of disseminating angles and ideas. We should all look for the good in it and embrace it instead of running from it.
Yes that is true, but when the division is leading us nowhere, what is the answer then?