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originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill
So you posted a video you have no reason to believe has substance or makes any rational sense in the context of our discussion?
Very well then.
So Trey Gowdy talking about exactly what we are discussion in the OP doesn't make any rational sense and is out of context??
OK...
There is a simple process of not renewing 702 and that was brought up by Gowdy with all the IC pertaining to FISA .Gowdy said that if the public cant trust the IC to not abuse that rule then they would not renew it .
That's seriously messed up if we can't have any oversight on the FISA court process. Sounds like they can do whatever they want and not have to explain why they did it. Can't know what evidence was used or why the warrants are approved. What could possibly go wrong? Surely the Congress's intelligence committees can have that info.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: Gryphon66
They also work with Prevezon Holdings owned by Denis Kaysyv (son of a Russian Oligarch). Complaints were lodged against them with the DOJ in 2016 for failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act based on their lobbying for foreign interests (Russian), but they said they only helped in "civil matters".
Was that connected to Russia?
Are you saying that anyone doing business with Russia is guilty now?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill
So you posted a video you have no reason to believe has substance or makes any rational sense in the context of our discussion?
Very well then.
So Trey Gowdy talking about exactly what we are discussion in the OP doesn't make any rational sense and is out of context??
OK...
So you do have faith in what Trey Gowdy said then? There is some relation to our discussion? You just commented that you posted the video .. was there a reason?
So do you believe Trey Gowdy or not? Is the Trump FBI stonewalling Congress or not???
Does that make sense in your opinion? Or not?
Those are really not difficult questions since you brought this as evidence to the discussion ...
originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: GuidedKill
If you think about it, if they are using the FISA rules as a reason to not discuss the applicability of the dossier to the issuance of the warrant, then they are saying by default that the dossier is protected by the FISA rules and thus was indeed used as at least part of the basis for the granting of said warrant.
originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: Gryphon66
I suppose it could be argued that only some are guilty when they deal with the Russians.
Flynn, Manafort, Trump Jr = guilty
Clinton, Podesta, Fusion = innocent
Seems to be a system to determining the innocence and guilt based on something other than research and examination of fact.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: Gryphon66
They also work with Prevezon Holdings owned by Denis Kaysyv (son of a Russian Oligarch). Complaints were lodged against them with the DOJ in 2016 for failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act based on their lobbying for foreign interests (Russian), but they said they only helped in "civil matters".
Was that connected to Russia?
Are you saying that anyone doing business with Russia is guilty now?
Irony, defined.
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Gryphon66
Wow bro, I have said from the first post I made on this thread that "Trumps DOJ/FBI" were stonewalling Gowdy. Yes if they are stonewalling Gowdy then they should/could be stonewalling Congress. This is what Trey Gowdy is saying in the video you obviously never watched. At this point I don't know what to tell you.
I mean if you watched the video obviously you don't comprehend plain English and I can't help you...Maybe some basic English classes are needed.
originally posted by: GuidedKill
I'm not saying that...I'm only posting an interview with Trey Gowdy where he directly states that. It appears he is flying that balloon and it doesn't appear to made of any lead...Seems it's gaining altitude just fine.
Attack the message not the messenger
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: pavil
There is a simple process of not renewing 702 and that was brought up by Gowdy with all the IC pertaining to FISA .Gowdy said that if the public cant trust the IC to not abuse that rule then they would not renew it .
That's seriously messed up if we can't have any oversight on the FISA court process. Sounds like they can do whatever they want and not have to explain why they did it. Can't know what evidence was used or why the warrants are approved. What could possibly go wrong? Surely the Congress's intelligence committees can have that info.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Gryphon66
Wow bro, I have said from the first post I made on this thread that "Trumps DOJ/FBI" were stonewalling Gowdy. Yes if they are stonewalling Gowdy then they should/could be stonewalling Congress. This is what Trey Gowdy is saying in the video you obviously never watched. At this point I don't know what to tell you.
I mean if you watched the video obviously you don't comprehend plain English and I can't help you...Maybe some basic English classes are needed.
Wow, dude ... but that's not what you said here:
originally posted by: GuidedKill
I'm not saying that...I'm only posting an interview with Trey Gowdy where he directly states that. It appears he is flying that balloon and it doesn't appear to made of any lead...Seems it's gaining altitude just fine.
Attack the message not the messenger
So now you're disputing this, agreeing with it, or have you just completely lost track of what you're trying to argue here?
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66
Hey admirable job trying to deflect!
Let's not forget you still can't admit that if this paid research from the dnc to foreign agents was used to get for a warrants that it is a horrible abuse of power.
But sure, you are impartial!
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: pavil
There is a simple process of not renewing 702 and that was brought up by Gowdy with all the IC pertaining to FISA .Gowdy said that if the public cant trust the IC to not abuse that rule then they would not renew it .
That's seriously messed up if we can't have any oversight on the FISA court process. Sounds like they can do whatever they want and not have to explain why they did it. Can't know what evidence was used or why the warrants are approved. What could possibly go wrong? Surely the Congress's intelligence committees can have that info.
So Gowdy is concerned that the Trump Administration is going to misuse FISA Warrants and Courts?
Well, I guess that makes sense ... I thought Trump's deal was to be tough on terror. Is he giving up on that one too?