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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: thepixelpusher
The margin in most of the states he won in is so narrow that it can be explained by old fashioned election fraud: simply dropping registered Democrats from the voter roll at the last minute. That is why we will never hear from the Trump Voter Fraud Committee.
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Krakatoa
Go search my post history, I've been here for 5 years now and talked about the EC the whole time. I've always been pro EC, I think it's much better than a straight popular vote, but I've also said it's not perfect. It's been about 2 years now (I'm not smart enough to have figured it out sooner) that I've said the scalability issue is what's wrong with it.
It's one of the deep, systemic issues with our government that are likely unfixable and will eventually destroy the country. The Constitution created a few of those.
BTW, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a registered Republican. Most on this board would consider me a RINO as far as where I fall in the party.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
Interesting. So, it only surfaced now that a president you do not agree with or like was elected?
Other than the person who was legally elected, what caused you to have this grand epiphany then?
It’s difficult to count uncast votes, but there were clearly thousands of them as a result of the voter-suppression measures. In 2014, according to a Wisconsin federal court, three hundred thousand registered voters in that state lacked the forms of identification that Republican legislators deemed necessary to cast their ballots. (The G.O.P. likes some forms of I.D. better than others. In Texas, a gun permit works; student identification does not.) In Milwaukee County, which has a large African-American population, sixty thousand fewer votes were cast in 2016 than in 2012. To put it another way, Clinton received forty-three thousand fewer votes in that county than Barack Obama did—a number that is nearly double Trump’s margin of victory in all of Wisconsin. The North Carolina Republican Party actually sent out a press release boasting about how its efforts drove down African-American turnout in this election.
Wisconsin’s defiance has been the most glaring. Last month, U.S. District Judge James Peterson ruled that the state’s hyper-strict voter ID law could stay in place only if IDs were made freely available to any eligible voter who needed one...
Except that Wisconsin hasn’t kept to it. A voting rights group sent volunteers to DMV offices around the state, recorded their interactions with clerks, and shared the audio with reporters. Most of the clerks gave out incorrect information about how to get a temporary voter ID, and several didn’t even appear familiar with the process, instead instructing the volunteers to begin compiling the underlying documents previously required. “It’s very time-consuming,” one acknowledged.
It’s a similar story in Texas. After a federal appeals court found the state’s voter ID law to be racially discriminatory—the third federal court to rule against the law—a judge ordered that voters without an acceptable ID be allowed to vote by signing an affidavit swearing that they couldn’t get one.
And the affidavit solution works only if Texas makes sure voters hear about it. A judge described an earlier state public education campaign for the ID law as “woefully inaccurate,” and the new one may not be much more effective: The same judge found last month that the state used misleading language in its promotional materials about the new rules, and ordered them to revamp it just weeks ahead of the start of early voting.
Then there’s North Carolina, whose multi-pronged voting law was struck down by a federal appeals court, which found it had targeted black voters with “almost surgical precision.” Unchastened, the head of the state Republican Party urged local election boards, which are controlled by the GOP, to make “party line changes” aimed at restricting early voting hours and locations. Several counties, including the state’s largest, Mecklenburg, followed that advice, reducing total hours and locations from 2012 despite an increase in population. The result: During the first two days of early voting, several counties that cut voting locations saw sharply reduced turnout compared to 2012.
27,000 votes currently separate Trump and Clinton in Wisconsin, where 300,000 registered voters, according to a federal court, lacked strict forms of voter ID. Voter turnout in Wisconsin was at its lowest levels in 20 years and decreased 13 percent in Milwaukee, where 70 percent of the state’s African-American population lives, according to Daniel Nichanian of the University of Chicago.
In 2014, a study by Rice University and the University of Houston of Texas’s 23rd Congressional District found that 12.8 percent of registered voters who didn’t vote in the election cited lack of required photo ID as a reason they didn’t cast a ballot, even though only 2.7 percent of registered voters actually lacked an acceptable ID. Texas’s strict voter-ID law blocked some voters from the polls while having an ever larger deterrent effect on others. Eighty percent of these voters were Latino and strongly preferred Democratic candidates.
A woman in Iowa who voted twice. Terri Lynn Rote had the enormous misfortune of bad timing. Right as the candidate she supported, Trump, was drawing attention to fraud cases, Rote decided to try to vote twice in Des Moines, and got caught. The case made national headlines simply by virtue of the fact that it happened when it did, and that she voted for Trump.
A man in Texas who voted twice. Phillip Cook was arrested on Election Day after voting twice. He claimed to be an employee of Trump's campaign who was testing the security of the electoral system.
A woman who cast a ballot on behalf of her dead husband. Audrey Cook is a Republican election judge in Illinois.
A woman in Florida who marked absentee ballots. Gladys Coego was hired to open absentee ballots in Miami-Dade County. One of her co-workers noticed that she was going a step further, filling in the bubble for a mayoral candidate with a pen she had in her purse.
But inquiries to all 50 states (every one but Kansas responded) found no states that reported indications of widespread fraud. And while additional allegations could surface as states wind up postelection reviews, their conclusions are unlikely to change significantly.
"I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey's letter, on October 28th, and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off.
And the evidence for that intervening event is, I think, compelling, persuasive, and so we overcame a lot in the campaign, we overcame an enormous barrage of negativity, of false equivalency and so much else.
But as Nate Silver, who is considered to be very reliable, has concluded: If the election had been on October 27th, I'd be your president."
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: links234
Also note that Trump's margin of victory in crucial states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan is so slender that it could be explained by voter suppression. If the voter rolls were hacked and a few dozen Democrats dropped from each polling place.... This is why the Trump Commission will never issue a report.