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Astonishing 50 kids a week referred to sex change clinics in the UK

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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

these kids are too young to know whether they are stuck in a different body to the one they are born with. It's peer pressure and society as a whole which is causing these kids to have MH Issues which essentially is what this is... especially at that age.


The peer pressure works both ways. The main reason they are coming forward with this now is because they had been oppressed for so long with society putting pressure on boys to be boys (they are indoctrinated since birth most of the time, with blue paint, "boy" toys, wearing certain clothes, etc). They problem is that many kids at that age do feel that they are "trapped in the wrong body" and this existed in society long before we started talking about it. To blindly assume that people only feel this way because society is open to it now, is completely absurd. Should we just pretend these people don't exist, simply because they weren't acknowledge in the past?


originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
I did say in my post it could still be a mental issue.
I don't think her mum or anyone else 'exposed' her child to this.
The child came out of the blue asking such sad questions from the age of around 2-3 years old.

How would you react if your child started asking why you keep calling them a girl and when their willy will grow?

As there is a correlation with autism, I'm saying that we should be tactile and give them support, not just call them freaks/tell them that they are wrong etc.


It didn't come out of the blue at all. Thart'#s what the media want you to think. It more than likely came from nursery school or chilcare, someone who wants to implant this info into a childs mind.


And that would be a complete assumption. Just because the info is out there now, doesn't mean that we are creating these feelings. This is something that existed long before society was trans friendly. People are ridiculous with these views. They don't seem to mind when THEIR view is forced on kids (ie religion, and forcing boys to become straight boys only). It's just alarmist nonsense. These people always existed. It's the same as claiming homosexuality didn't exist in the past, simply because we didn't hear about it as much.
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posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 02:57 PM
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Seriously trying to argue that kids showing gender dysphoria is due to peer pressure?

Kids and adults who are bullied, harassed, ridiculed, and marginalised in school and wider society - that is positive encouragement?

Gotta be kidding me, lol. Whatever next D:



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 08:23 AM
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www.news.com.au...

Even this individual admits they have a size advantage. They have already broken a womans leg in a tackle. Taking some oestrogen doesn't make this large person female.

How can anyone think this person belongs on a women's team. Women dont have a penis, or the physical bulk and size.



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Wulfrida

what the # , these blog posts and twitter captures , why are these women so aggressive and violent in their posts?

I've never seen women acting so angry and aggressive over something , but at least I now know what a terf is



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Because being a woman is not a feeling, iit's a biological reality, and the transsexual movement is deconstructing women's rights and safety.

Transactivists are intent on changing laws and access to womens spaces and silencing any objection. Children are being influenced and encouraged to make life changing decidions at an early age. One of mine believed he was a dog at age 3. Didnt mean I bought him a leash and collar, or took him to puppy training classes.

I read that as much as 80 percent of male to trans people opt out of genital surgery. Having a penis means that spaces like womens bathrooms and changing rooms are not suitable.

Not even having to have bottom surgery to enter sex segregated spaces is totally unacceptable. Mtt can say they feel they are female, keep their penis, and are trying to gain access to womens prisons, hospital wards, showers, changing rooms and DV shelters. And you wonder why women feel upset by this! Its not safe, and is encroaching on women's rights to not be vulnerable around penis owners.

This Swedish study showed that TW commit crime, including violent crime, at the same rate as men.

journals.plos.org.../journal.pone.0016885

Womens issues, such as sport, prisions, violence and rape have all been usurped by trans issues so the real issues affecting biological women become secondary discussions.

It's gone as far as degenerdering' female functions - menstruation, pregnancy, birth, in case it offends trans women who can't experience them or trans men who want to be seen as men having babies.

Male priviledge when someone is born, raised, socialised and educated as a male leads to guys expecting the world to revolve around them, and dominate. The trans movement is male privilege personified.



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: Wulfrida

I can see why women feel threatened by this !

So what you are telling me is that males born and raised as males makes them believe the world revolves around them ?
( first I knew , being born cis white male , I dont feel the world revolves around me, and I dont care about dominating others, (accept for my partner when she asks me too ).

and that the trans movement is nothing but male privilege personified?
I dont see this , I just see a whole bunch of people living in their ego , because its classed as a biological phenomenon and hasnt got any concrete origins , im putting my money on the horse called ego!

I dont mean to offend anyone when I say that they are driven by their ego, everyone has one , and most of the time we all dont even realise we are living for our ego demands.

Personally I believe they should be allowed to think any way they want and do what they want to their bodies given they are legally old enough and mentally sound enough to make conscious informed choices backed up by the continuing medical research.
But in no way should they enforce their beliefs onto others the same as anyone else.
I also feel that the trans movement is doing much to destroy or remove traditional gender roles that have gotten us thus far!
as for all the other rights etc, give them the same rights, just dont infringe on anyone elses rights

there are 7 billion people on this planet for a reason and traditional gender roles have a hand in that

as for the whole micro aggression , naem calling, your x, y, or z because you dont share my beliefs , well thats just tough #e , I dont go around offending people on purpose but if someone gets offended by my opinion when they ask for it , or is brought up in discussion then thats on them.


What I have noticed about the LGBTQ (keep adding letters ad infinitum) movement is that it to is divided , the gay community are split masc and fem , they are at each others throats, as are the trans community split , they all seem to be split , they dont get on that well !

when trans women are taking precedence over biological women and getting further in society in terms of rights and freedoms , then you know we have some form of problem. Surely the people of the trans community can see this ?



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: Wulfrida

Oh hey that article is gone by the way , but im interested to read it if you have an alternate source

thanks



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Hey, I appreciate the measured response.

The prospect of penis owning men sharing prision cells with natal women was the final straw for me. Ill try find another link to the Swedish study for you.

I dont give a rats behind if some guy wants to dress up, chop his dick off or anything in between , but when they demand access to women's spaces and roles like rape counsellor, or to access female dv shelters, damn right I mind!



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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Everyone think this is ok??!

thetyee.ca...
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posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: Wulfrida

I completely agree with you

regardless of whether they think they are tammy richard or harriet
if you have a penis you shouldnt sharing a cell , thats just dangerous to begin with.



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: sapien82
I cant do better than this article describing male privilege..

everydayfeminism.com...



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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So now boys who show outwardly feminine behaviour as they grow benefit from male privilege D:

Haha.

I will agree with you, though, Wulfrida that there is a difference between a transsexual (post-operative) and someone who is non-binary/transgender, and that this perhaps should be taken into account in some way. However, that is a nuanced argument that you readily lose in your rather deranged transphobic position (:

And the crime stats take little account of the fact that Transsexuals tend to live life on the margins of society due to the fact they tend to be marginalised, probably influenced by the rather deranged positions of some transphobes (:

As the data showed, the rate of crime was comparable for both MTF and FTM transsexuals. It was not a gendered issue.

Your posts are raw unadulterated transphobia, Wulfrida. An attempt to spread fear and hatred against a small minority of society. I could go further, but will just say I'd rather spend my time with people who are transgender than rabid transphobes (:

Missed this D:


One of mine believed he was a dog at age 3. Didnt mean I bought him a leash and collar, or took him to puppy training classes.


Wulfrida, please.
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posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: melatonin

Twice you called me crazy, deranged, rabid.. a typical device used by men to silence women. When the privilege is so ingrained men don't even realize it. Boring, to be honest! You can do better than that!

From the swedish study male to female trans crime rate was similar to natal men, whilst the female to transmale rate remained at similar levels to women. Suprisingly, for al the testosterone they take.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... I think this abstract is working.

Yes, boys, femme acting or not, are recipients of male privilege, from day one. Their experience is not that of a girl.

A man, whose experience of fake womanhood consists of what, wearing heels? Dressing up? Cannot be a rape counsellor for battered vulnerable women. What about the case in canada where a mtt gained entry to a refuge and raped both a 5 year old girl and an older woman WITH HIS PENIS. (Jessica hambrook)

I wouldnt want to hang out with you but like a lot of men, what a woman wants doesn't matter, does it...



posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: Wulfrida

Twice you called me crazy, deranged, rabid.. a typical device used by men to silence women. When the privilege is so ingrained men don't even realize it. Boring, to be honest! You can do better than that!


I could if I thought you worth it. But you're not. Male or female, you're a rabid transphobe (:

Are you assuming my gender? D:


From the swedish study male to female trans crime rate was similar to natal men, whilst the female to transmale rate remained at similar levels to women. Suprisingly, for al the testosterone they take.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... I think this abstract is working.


You read it wrong.


By contrast, female-to-males had higher crime rates than female controls (aHR 4.1; 95% CI 2.5–6.9) but did not differ from male controls. This indicates a shift to a male pattern regarding criminality and that sex reassignment is coupled to increased crime rate in female-to-males. The same was true regarding violent crime.

Dehijne et al. 2011


Yes, boys, femme acting or not, are recipients of male privilege, from day one. Their experience is not that of a girl.


Your logic really sucks.


A man, whose experience of fake womanhood consists of what, wearing heels? Dressing up? Cannot be a rape counsellor for battered vulnerable women. What about the case in canada where a mtt gained entry to a refuge and raped both a 5 year old girl and an older woman WITH HIS PENIS. (Jessica hambrook)

I wouldnt want to hang out with you but like a lot of men, what a woman wants doesn't matter, does it...


My god - A PENIS!!! RUN!!!! lol

D:

Are you assuming my gender?

Whether male or female, your arguments are little more than hate-fueled rants (:
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posted on Nov, 7 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: melatonin

As usual all the transactivists have are ad hominem attacks and vague feelings of what they presume womanhood to be.

Whether you are a male, a mtt, or one of their natal female apologist man pleasing handmaidens, I really don't care one jot.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 02:44 AM
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a reply to: Wulfrida

Im reading your article link, thanks , this is probably the first time ive actually had anyone explain it to me or offer any form of understanding of what male privilege actually is!

160 examples is pretty intense !

so by the very fact of random genetic lottery , males being gifted by nature the physical properties that make us the dominant sex , we have been given this privilege by nature over the feminine sex .
and for a good few hundred thousand years we have struggled relentlessly to keep our species alive as have the women , and now we have society as a result we are told its wrong to be anything male simply by having a penis through no fault of our own.

We got this far and now we are told thanks very much for #ing this up guys !
now you have to feel shame for being male

Ok will I try to digest the 160 reasons why Im a #
ill keep in mind that its because im male and its a privilege to be me every day !
for those 160 reasons

having read the list , a lot of them are simply ego based moral judgements of males in society, some of them are more real than others
real in the sense that they are actual problems, where most are actually just what others think about you and your social acceptance .
A lot of these problems can be resolved by not caring what society thinks about you. (not you in particular but women in general)

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Where as the rest appear to be actual real world problems which need to be addressed.


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posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 06:55 AM
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I wish you wouldn't take it ss an attack,Sapien. It is not to say there is anything wrong in being male, nor not blaming men for the ills of the world. Being a man is great, there are good men, kind men, thoughtful men who recognize their privileged by virtue of their sex, and treat women well.

With the trans movement its like they want all the benefit of being a man, plus everything women worked so hard for too. For instance the prrdon that wanted to work counselling.female rape survivors. Women worked hard to get that servicd going, provide support. But they wanted to use it to validate their feelings of being a woman. Another service had already accepted them as a counsellor, they left there and demanded entrt to this female only space. Male privilege in action. Whether or not you accept them as female, they had hsd years of being male .



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: Wulfrida

I dont feel its a personal attack on me as such , because I dont feel that I consciously use my privilege as a male to have an advantage over others in society. I never witnessed privilege being used in action in front of me , ive never consciously been aware of any of my own abuses of privilege
I was raised pretty well by my family and i treat others and their opinions with respect.
However it does feel like there is a diminutive approach to these movements which seems more than just removing negative gender stereo types, or toxic masculinity or whatever negative aspect they want removed from males.

However I do feel that its wrong for society at large to blame the worlds problems entirely on males , when it appears for the most part we have been gifted by nature but at the same time we are disadvantaged because of the state of society now seems to be directing energy towards reducing males to something simpler than we already are.

I mean its like we have been programmed by biological nature to be this way in order to ensure the survival of the species and once we have achieved our survival and taken ourselves out of the natural order of the food chain , we now have all of these repsonses and feedback to the biological programming we are slowly starting to unravel.

I love being male , and I love females , I love life in general and everything under the sun
has its place here good and bad.

I do agree with you though that I think women should not have to share their safe spaces with other women who are trans type or gender fluid x,y,z, to the nth degree that used to be men!
When males are generally what they need to feel safe from.

What I do know is that you cant just outright remove the bad , there is always a negative to the positive and life to me screams balance / harmony / compromise

Every women Ive met growing up from friends to , relatives, teachers and , friends of the family, Ive never once heard any prominent female in my life mention male privilege , 35 years and never heard it once .
so you can see why most males arent aware.



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: Wulfrida

However thanks for taking the time to lay it on me!



posted on Nov, 8 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

I totally agree men are in crisis. Im sorry to say, with female to trans, all I see are what would have been yer common or garden butch dyke, reduced to conforming to heterosexuality by becoming male.

I do, however, refuse to buy into the able bodied white male with no mental health issues is an endangered and abused group. I do wonder how much of this explosion in transexuality us fashion, its passe to be homo, or hetro or even bi. You have to be pansexual trans asexual whatever to be hip. How much of it is men seeing their white male privilege beung eroded and co opting into a minority group that they feel has power and cred. They want to be women too, but better...

Privilege isnt conscious. My boys arent naturally aware how lucky they are not to be judged by their attractiveness, or passivity. I have an opinion, I get called crazy. That device isnt used against men.

Peace, sapien.



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