Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Boadicea

that doesnt explain the quarter billion dollars of insider trading transactions less than a month before

No, it doesn't. I have seen it said that those stock options had to be done during the month of September; but it doesn't explain the decision to sell -- and especially on such a grand scale.

I find it suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's due to foreknowledge of the event, or simply knowledge of rumors of an incident... or something else.

a reply to: ipsedixit

If it was a bullet coming through from the left wouldn't we see it hit the concrete wall after passing through the fabric?

I don't see any impact on the concrete wall.

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: ipsedixit

If it was a bullet coming through from the left wouldn't we see it hit the concrete wall after passing through the fabric?

I don't see any impact on the concrete wall.

It never passed thought....

a reply to: spy66

So the fabric stopped the round?

That bullet was fired from an extremely long distance if it lost all of it's energy and couldn't pass through it.

a reply to: TorqueyThePig

If there were reports of gunfire anywhere near Hooters paramedics would NOT stage their vehicles there.

They would choose a staging point away from the incident location and wait for the all clear from law enforcement to go in.

There was a report from a guest evacuating Hooters that police had shot a man, including a pic of what appears to be a body covered by a blanket in the parking lot.

So if the gunman had been shot and was no longer a threat, would LE give the all clear for the ambulances to go in? And presumably after checking and clearing the hotel as well?

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: spy66

So the fabric stopped the round?

That bullet was fired from an extremely long distance if it lost all of it's energy and couldn't pass through it.

Correct. You can see that the bullet just streched the fabric. The bullet hits the tarp from the left, that to can be clearly seen.

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
a reply to: ipsedixit

If it was a bullet coming through from the left wouldn't we see it hit the concrete wall after passing through the fabric?

I don't see any impact on the concrete wall.

I didn't notice any impact either. I heard the report (that's a word for explosion, or sound of the shot), but there is no close up of the mesh, fabric, netting in the fence where it was struck and no close up or clear look at the firebrick wall, so I really can't comment on that. The netting does seem to have a sort of dent in it.

The bullet likely did go through the mesh or netting, but because there are so many holes in that sort of cloth, the damage to it seems to have been slight.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Surely the "fabric" can be seen to lurch to the right, indicating a shot from the left, away from the Mandalay Bay Hotel? At 0:05 of the video.

I can't watch the video right now, so I can't comment specifically, but could it have been a ricochet?

There are so many variables it's hard to pin down anything!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ipsedixit

Surely the "fabric" can be seen to lurch to the right, indicating a shot from the left, away from the Mandalay Bay Hotel? At 0:05 of the video.

I can't watch the video right now, so I can't comment specifically, but could it have been a ricochet?

When you see the video, the location of the hotel, the direction of the impact through the netting, you will realize that a ricochet like that would be impossible except for an impact on a precisely inclined surface from an Indian Rubber bullet. I'm joking.

Interestingly, the sound of the shot at 0:05 precedes the arrival of the bullet, which indicates the possibility of sub-sonic ammunition being used. This would also tie in with the possibility of shooters on the ground using pistols. Kymberley Suchomel said that as her group ran away from the scene they had the feeling of being pursued by bullets.

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Boadicea

that doesnt explain the quarter billion dollars of insider trading transactions less than a month before

trump is pushing through massive tax breaks for millionaires and their speculating on the markets, it's what they do especially when you give them free money.
The Oakland Raiders are relocating to Vegas, local markets are receiving a bump despite snowflakes getting upset over social injustices being pointed out.

a reply to: ipsedixit

The movement could be from somebody pushing on the fence from the other side.

There were lots of people on the other side of that fence.

a reply to: xuenchen



I never thought of that.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
Maybe it's a terminology issue. Your photo is of something I would call a "chain link fence".

Whatever we call it, it certainly fits better with the word "mesh" than a sheet of apparently continuous fabric, which is what we were discussing. (Mesh: material made of a network of wire or thread; an interlaced structure.)

Surely the "fabric" can be seen to lurch to the right, indicating a shot from the left, away from the Mandalay Bay Hotel? At 0:05 of the video.

To me, that looks like a boring old ripple from the impact. The reason it moves in the direction described is because the impact hits at the far end of the fabric "curtain" (i.e., the bit furthest from the camera). There's a long, wide expanse of fabric to one side of the impact point, and barely any fabric to the other. Result: a big eye-catching billow in the former direction, and a barely-visible billow on the other.

If you watch it closely, you'll see that when the big billow in the material reaches the surrounding frame nearest the camera (i.e., the left-most extent of its boundary, meaning "left of the video image") there's a brief reflection as the wave bounces back in the direction it came from.

That's what happens when a wave hits a medium it can't travel through - it gets sent back whence it came.



The "hard barrier" in the case of the wave seen in the video is some kind of surrounding frame (i.e., you're looking at something not dissimilar to a trampoline stood up on its side).

a reply to: ipsedixit

my post in the mega thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

the tarps on the fences and gates are mesh as is the back drop of the stage.

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig

originally posted by: KansasGirl

ETA: would they send 17 ambulances to Hooters for misidentified/unreliable/misunderstood reports of gunfire there? And hop out with their stretchers?

If there were reports of gunfire anywhere near Hooters paramedics would NOT stage their vehicles there.

They would choose a staging point away from the incident location and wait for the all clear from law enforcement to go in.

I think Hooters is approximately 3/4 of a mile from the incident so it could definitely work as a staging area for rescue personnel.

Yeah, and watching more of the video, one of the guys filming says something about them putting mats on the ground...I think in certain situations this is a triage procedure, putting different colored mats down to help with sorting. So you're most likely right, it's staging....

a reply to: ipsedixit

Thank you!

Kymberley Suchomel said that as her group ran away from the scene they had the feeling of being pursued by bullets.

The woman I quoted who called into the Savage radio show said something very similar. She was hiding in a tent with an officer and her husband, and she said she could hear the gunfire coming closer, following the running crowd from west to east, in a manner suggesting that he was just spraying in front of him as he followed.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: ipsedixit

The movement could be from somebody pushing on the fence from the other side.

There were lots of people on the other side of that fence.

Off topic... but seeing people take cover behind flimsy mesh fabric gave me the chills. I just wanted to scream, "No! No! Run!!!" I felt so much fear for them!

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: TheStalkingHorse




"Eye witnesses often make mistakes and can be unreliable. HOWEVER, the key is to collaborate eye witness statements "

Do you mean Corroborate? not collaborate there "professional investigator" ? You don't even know the right terminology.

Wow. You don't have a clue do you? You're so determined to debunk this that you're not even thinking about what you're reading...

a reply to: ipsedixit

Kymberley Suchomel said that as her group ran away from the scene they had the feeling of being pursued by bullets.

people saying that they felt being pursued by bullets, could have been him chasing the crowd with his fire.
haven't you ever heard people talking about large capacity magazines in pistols or rifles say, that if i miss with the first one i got 14 or 29 more to chase them with.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I found another video that shows how little the facts were reported by the MSM.
View of Hooters from the MGM Grand showing dozens of ambulances bringing out multiple patients while listening to MSM coverage.
Their comments are gold.
Can't embed video due to commercials.
www.youtube.com...

Here's an NPR article trying to explain "they ran here (from the concert) and died"
www.npr.org...

I have my doubts about that.

Welp....I'm a dumdum. I posted this video 3 full pages after you did. Sorry, Asktheanimals!! Yikes.

I'm surprised no one berated me for it, actually! I have a few pages to catch up on though so there is still time.