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Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: opethPA

Thank you for not wanting to derail the thread... and thank you for voicing your skepticism/objections... and thank you for doing so without insults and rudeness. I very much appreciate that.



Maybe one day we'll find out together what the truth is




posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea


If I could, I would thank each and every one of these people for their amazing courage in reporting their experiences and standing strong in their truths, even as they are called liars and crazy and other derogatory names.

Youre not a liar either. Just as duped though by people who never been shot at in their lives try and make sense of it.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Grrrrrr... the commercial interruptions are infuriating!!! But I'm gonna sit through it because I want to hear this... but grrrrrr!!!



It's worth it to hear the live television reporting (officials say triage set up at Tropicana, looking for multiple shooters, etc) along with their running commentary on what they see across the street about bring bodies out on stretchers, body bags, etc.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Great thread. I think this event/events need to be discussed around the clock until we get THE TRUTH. We all KNOW what they are telling us is complete bs.

The people who experienced this horrific night are not delusional. They all tell a story, a personal story of a traumatic night and to be told theyre not credible and look at the msm as credible is naive at best. I just don't get it.

I do wonder some things about the time line.

Who did they have in custody at the Motel 6? Was it the guy in the RV?

Where is the woman who has a video of shooter?

I'd say ANYONE who has video of anything that goes against the official story will hear from authorities within minutes of posting something as credible and damaging as that type of evidence which goes against the official story.

Is this site credible as to the time line? If so... it states a woman has video of shooter.


01:32 am
Report: Woman claims to have video of a shooter
forbiddenknowledgetv.net...



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: opethPA

All true but what have the authorities given us in way of proof Paddock was the lone shooter and did it from the Mandalay bay? Where is the motive? The broken glass shown in the windows is certainly NOT safety glass, the materials used in hi rise buildings is hurricane-proof and when it is broken stays together like a car windshield. The whole room crime scene is a scam from the get-go. That is my sincere belief anyway.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: intrptr


Youre not a liar either.


Thank you.


Just as duped though by people who never been shot at in their lives try and make sense of it.


Maybe... maybe not. Some reports were from military vets, hunters, etc., who do know weaponry and gunfire.

I'm not convinced of anything yet. In any situation where people tell stories that don't seem to mesh, I try to see if everyone can be telling the truth -- albeit only part of the truth. Sometimes everyone can be right and wrong at the same time.

For now, based on what I know, I would say it's quite likely that the truth is somewhere in the middle. No doubt there were some mis-perceptions and therefore faulty memories... some truth... some half-truths... and some lies. But as I stated in another post, we have enough evidence to show something happened, but not enough proof to know exactly what happened.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

That video is strange. In back with no guns in their hand are two men. One in shorts the other in a suit. Where were they walking to and why is what I want to know? Guy in shorts didn't seem concerned as he walked looking at his phone. He doesn't look like he's as concerned as the ones with guns walking in front of him?



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea


Maybe... maybe not. Some reports were from military vets, hunters, etc., who do know weaponry and gunfire.

Only vets know what its like to come under fire. And they were right. There was more than one caliber and one position.

Paddock planned it that way to confuse everyone.

Its working...



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: Boadicea

Great thread. I think this event/events need to be discussed around the clock until we get THE TRUTH.


Thank you -- I totally agree!



01:32 am
Report: Woman claims to have video of a shooter
forbiddenknowledgetv.net...


So many good questions and so few answers. I suspect that anyone who did have such a video and turned it over to police, they have been asked (ordered?) not to talk about it pending an ongoing investigation. I've read secondhand reports of others who also have video, but are afraid to post it. I can understand that. I can only imagine the trauma and horror they experienced, and would quite understandably and expectedly be very defensive and protective in the aftermath.

Another reason I feel it's important to support these folks trying to tell their experiences... their truth... and we can try to figure it all out together.
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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: Boadicea

That video is strange. In back with no guns in their hand are two men. One in shorts the other in a suit. Where were they walking to and why is what I want to know? Guy in shorts didn't seem concerned as he walked looking at his phone. He doesn't look like he's as concerned as the ones with guns walking in front of him?


Yes! And the way the two behind went to their right while the guys with the guns continue straight also struck me as odd. The one guy in back is carrying a bag... could that be a doctor's bag? Was he a doc who just happened to be there? Who was called in from home? And the middle guy in front... is he carrying a stretcher?

All very odd.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:17 PM
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The New York Times has put up a fairly good video compilation tracking the sequence of events once the shooting started at the Harvest 91 festival.

There is at least one problem with it, as far as I have seen, and that is that they refer to a lull in the shooting early on when "the shooter" in the Mandalay on the 32nd floor, is thought to have been shooting down the hall at Jesus Campos, i.e., no shots are heard outside the hotel, but then refer to the moment when the cabbie (with the famous audio track) says words to the effect of "that sounds like its coming from farther away" as being when the shooter on the 32nd floor was shooting down the hall at the maintenance worker who joined Campos in the hallway.

One burst of fire in the location was not heard outside, but the another (or same) burst of fire in the same location and direction was heard and recorded. For me that's a problem with their hypothetical scenario. They are describing a single shooter scenario, of course.

At another point we hear a long burst of fire said, in the video, to be directly above a line of cabs, but which sounds distant?!?

The video is in the TimesVideo section:

www.nytimes.com... rid-thumbnail&contentCollection=Times+Video&contentPlacement=0&module=recent-videos&action=click&pgType=Multimedia&eventName=video-grid-click
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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: ipsedixit

You make an excellent point. And it could be at least part of the reason why the official story keeps changing.

Thank you for the video link. I'll watch it first thing next time I reboot... my poor computer is getting overloaded and freezing up again when I play videos. Ugh!!!



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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From the comment section in a video posted here. Can anyone validate these claims concerning the windows?

"Dr. Eowyn, Dane Wigington, in the first 5 minutes of his latest global alert news, reports that he was contacted by a source that reported that he had stayed at the Mandalay recently and that someone bumped into one of the windows during a party. Security was at their door within 2 minutes demanding entry. They proceeded to explain and point out sensors in the windows that tell security immediately the exact location if anyone tampers with the windows. This is due to liability issues. There had to be a complete security stand down (similar to 911) to allow the shooter to remain in that room uncontested for an hour and twelve minutes! It’s outrageous that many people were killed because police and security failed to do their jobs, yet they are hailed as heroes by the media and our traitorous politicians. It really makes me sick to think about it."



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

They also cut the moment from the police body cam footage that showed a bullet coming through the mesh of a fence from a different direction from that of the Mandalay Bay Hotel. At 0:05 of the following video. Has this been brought to the attention of Special Agent Clouseau, yet?



They should call their video section TimesVideosForDummies.
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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: denybedoomed
They proceeded to explain and point out sensors in the windows that tell security immediately the exact location if anyone tampers with the windows. This is due to liability issues.


I cannot verify the truth of that statement, but I have been told it's standard to have sensors -- particular to prevent folks committing suicide after losing too much money in the casinos. And it makes sense. But again, I don't know that.


There had to be a complete security stand down (similar to 911) to allow the shooter to remain in that room uncontested for an hour and twelve minutes! It’s outrageous that many people were killed because police and security failed to do their jobs...


I think it's entirely possible that security was told to stand down. And if they were told to stand down, then it was the Feds telling them so. Especially if this was a federal sting/operation gone sideways. And it's reasonable that security would do so, confident that it was being handled by the feds. FBI? ATF? DHS? It could be any or all of them.


...yet they are hailed as heroes by the media and our traitorous politicians. It really makes me sick to think about it."


I understand. But I look at it a little different. I think that the vast majority of officers and first responders are heroes and did their utmost to do the right thing -- the best thing -- under godawful circumstances. In any situation like this, coordination and organization is key to effective management. They would be acting with confidence that their superiors were doing their best as well.

My beef isn't with the awesome people who put themselves in harm's way to help others... it's with their betters who sent them into harm's way -- perhaps under false pretenses -- and now lie about it.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
If I had a dollar for every call that I responded to on a "routine" day of patrol in which a person called in shots being fired, but in reality it was something else, I would have a sizable amount of money.

I would imagine that after something as chaotic as the concert shooting everyone was on the razor's edge and reporting every loud bang as a gunshot, and every person looking slightly suspicious as a potential shooter.







Hey Torque! I'd like to know your opinion on the material in this thread though...I am positive there were quite a few reports that were of the chaos/jump-the-gun-it's-shooters! variety. But I think not all of them. What do you think?



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: ipsedixit
a reply to: Boadicea

They also cut the moment from the police body cam footage that showed a bullet coming through the mesh of a fence from a different direction from that of the Mandalay Bay Hotel.


Really? Oh wow. If you saw that and know that, then no doubt others saw it as well, and also know it was removed. And then they wonder why we think they're lying liars and don't trust them!

It occurs to me that there could have been videos and/or pics posted of gunmen that were removed before they could get traction. We know others have been removed.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: Boadicea

As I have been saying on this whole quality thread, again thanks for the effort, show me 1 single audio clip, picture or video clip of another shooter someplace else.


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Well to be fair, and clear: we don't have any pictures of the shooting from Mandalay Bay either, do we?

You're asking for irrefutable proof of other shooters on the strip. Well, how about you show us irrefutable proof that the concert deaths were caused by a shooter from the 32nd floor of the Madalay Bay.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: ipsedixit
a reply to: Boadicea

They also cut the moment from the police body cam footage that showed a bullet coming through the mesh of a fence from a different direction from that of the Mandalay Bay Hotel.


Really? Oh wow. If you saw that and know that, then no doubt others saw it as well, and also know it was removed. And then they wonder why we think they're lying liars and don't trust them!

It occurs to me that there could have been videos and/or pics posted of gunmen that were removed before they could get traction. We know others have been removed.


Yes. One thing that is curious is why are so many videos getting taken down?



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea

It occurs to me that there could have been videos and/or pics posted of gunmen that were removed before they could get traction. We know others have been removed.


I have heard that they wiped the memory cards of phone cams that were turned into them for examination. So there it is, if that is true.



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