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Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

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posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Boadicea

This has come up before. It could be a shadow of someone.
Also, there are various lighting crew members up in towers that people don't pay much attention to.
May have been security for all we know.


I missed it then. I did see one where it looked like it might be someone on the roof of the stage, but a helicopter was going by at the same time, and could have been from the helicopter.

I did consider someone just trying to get away from the shooting, but if they knew it was coming from above, then the roof would be the last place they'd go. And I don't know why they'd have crew members so far from the stage. It might be security... but then I would think we would see his reflective vest/jacket. This guy was all black against a well lit white roof.




posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: JaeG14

I really like this guy's stuff -- thank you! You found a winner in a sea of losers


Here's another video from Joe, and I've only watched half of it, but he shows several video clips that not only indicate more than one shooter, but the location of the shooters.

edit on 26-10-2017 by Boadicea because: formatting



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: research100
a reply to: Boadicea

well...maybe that depends on how big are the 2 roofs and how far do they stick out....that's plays into the landing...but I agree we should hear the pertinent details for sure


True enough -- and fair enough... but you and I shouldn't have to be wondering and reasoning and trying to figure it out with limited information. The authorities should have spelled all this out for us and even drawn us pictures!



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea

And I don't know why they'd have crew members so far from the stage. It might be security... but then I would think we would see his reflective vest/jacket. This guy was all black against a well lit white roof.


Again, I speak from experience of working the Crew Industry for a few years, the Crew at a festival such as this are not just Stage Crew, there's Site Crew, Riggers, on call crew that walk the perimeter checking things like fencing and answering radio calls to specific areas. Most crew have Access All Areas Passes and, if not on duty can be wherever they damn well please, perks of the job



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Boadicea

No this audio said a shooter outside the medical tent in the ground. I've no clue which thread all the audio is posted in now lol and would take hours to find it but might have a look later on.



You want.the thread about the Active Shooter in Mandalay Bay Hotel I think, or maybe just Vegas Strip, I can't remember the title exactly and I didn't participate in the discussion there.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

Thank you -- I appreciate the personal knowledge perspective
I'm not convinced, but I will keep it in mind as long as I can't rule anyone out.

Here's my concerns. Would it be typical for anyone in the crew to be dressed all in black from the top of the head down? Because that's what sticks out to me: That solid black figure against a brightly lit white background.

I thought at first the guy was wearing a ski mask or something, but having watched it a couple more times, it could be a hooded jacket. Which is also notable, because it was still rather warm for a jacket. Especially for someone working. This is the desert we're talking about, under presumably hot bright lights -- yes? Or no?



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: JaeG14

I really like this guy's stuff -- thank you! You found a winner in a sea of losers


Here's another video from Joe, and I've only watched half of it, but he shows several video clips that not only indicate more than one shooter, but the location of the shooters.


Sorry to be a downer but -
The cup on the ground is kicked by the running woman, her shoes are the same shade as the ground making them hard to see. If a bullet had hit that cup it would have blown in to pieces and flown farther or spun violently. I've shot enough soda cans to know.

I'm pretty sure what he claims is someone on the top of the stage is actually lights from an aircraft

The cab driver was not at the Mandalay at the same time the footage he is comparing it to. She arrived at the last few minutes. Notice you can see aircraft lights next to the Mandalay when people are pointing and I believe there is another to the right of the Luxor.

I agree about asking "what about the 2 people telling everyone in the front row they were going to die?". Why haven't they been found and questioned? Why isn't the media asking about them?



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: djz3ro

Stage hands and lighting techs wear black so as not to distract from the show.
In the middle of the venue is a black tower with 3 or 4 follow spotlights.
How many people have noticed that so far?
It's in front of the stage set back maybe 40-50 yards or so dead center.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
a reply to: Boadicea

Awesome list. I will be sure to go throigh it carefully when I have time. Thank you for posting. This shooting has really taken me for some reason. I haven't been so stuck on one topic in quite some time.


Thank you for appreciating it!!!

Like you, I'm pretty stuck on this. I guess we have a problem with terrorist attacks on our own people on our own soil -- and that's as it should be! I don't think there is a more important issue than this right now.


yeah riiiight......average Americans are getting screwed over by Trump and the republican congress, and wild ass theories about multiple shooters in the Vegas killings is YOUR most important topic.....got it
edit on 26-10-2017 by jimmyx because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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At least, if ATS is indicative of the people in general, then yes. People are still questioning and will continue to question.


It's sort of not welcomed in my small circle of friends and acquaintances here in Vegas, that I can tell you. Bring up the multiple incidents/people/shooters and you will most likely get shot down as I did on Tuesday.

It's a small circle so that may not be the case in the rest of the city. I don't know. Just as I don't know what the heck actually happened here as, like you said, the story keeps changing and how can we trust the people giving us the "story".

There was talk of a picture of broken glass at the Bellagio, IIRC, is that true? I have not seen it. Maybe I got my info wrong in my head. Does it actually exist?

ETA:


Yes, it's a given that LE have video from all over the Strip and the casinos and probably all kinds of stores and restaurants.


Interesting "fact" about Las Vegas. We have cameras at almost all street major street intersections. I have been told by cops whom regularly visit the restaurant I work at - as it's really close to UMC and Valley hospitals - that they do not record the info on them. So why are they there?

One of those things that make you go "Hmmmmmm!".

edit on 10/26/2017 by TheSpanishArcher because: Hmmmmmm



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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As sad as it may sound, I would prefer that to believing that anyone could be so blase about government lying on such a grand scale... to the point of outright gaslighting.


Have you seen the new doc The Vietnam War by Ken Burns? Very extensive and proves all the presidents involved in that war, 50-60 years ago, lied to us. So why should we expect different now? People haven't changed, heck, we are all liars to one degree or another it's just that those who are in power, when they lie, their actions have consequences that affect millions of people and most negatively, I'd say.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: KansasGirl


I'm going to ask and respond in the way I feel is appropriate, no matter who the poster is.


Good to know.

Just remember, others will respond to you in the way they feel is appropriate. Good people can disagree without being rude or obnoxious about it.

I would suggest that you also remember that thinking and believing is not knowing.


Sent you a PM.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals


Sorry to be a downer but -


Skeptics are necessary and proper -- no apologies necessary.


The cup on the ground is kicked by the running woman, her shoes are the same shade as the ground making them hard to see. If a bullet had hit that cup it would have blown in to pieces and flown farther or spun violently. I've shot enough soda cans to know.[/quote[

Maybe you're right... but it looked to me when he slowed it down that there was space between her foot and the cup, and that her foot was in the wrong angle and her direction of travel was the wrong direction to hit the cup. But I'll keep it my head as a possibility and not a definite or even probability.


I'm pretty sure what he claims is someone on the top of the stage is actually lights from an aircraft


I agree there is an aircraft there as well; but I don't think it's necessarily the aircraft. I'm keeping that in the maybe file as well.


Notice you can see aircraft lights next to the Mandalay when people are pointing and I believe there is another to the right of the Luxor.


I can't speak to the cab driver. There was one shot where they point to flashing lights in a window, but I don't know if that's the strobe light mentioned... although I wouldn't doubt that strobe light as part of the plan.


I agree about asking "what about the 2 people telling everyone in the front row they were going to die?". Why haven't they been found and questioned? Why isn't the media asking about them?


Very good question. I've only seen the media try to debunk it -- and they've done a piss-poor job of it. And the guy who told about a car passing them as they were running away, with an Hispanic-looking woman mocking or taunting them, makes me wonder if she was the same woman. One more thing we need to hear about officially from authorities -- NOT the media's best guess.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx


yeah riiiight......average Americans are getting screwed over by Trump and the republican congress, and wild ass theories about multiple shooters in the Vegas killings is YOUR most important topic.....got it


Damn right. Americans were killed in a terrorist attack on our own people on our own soil, it's being investigated by Trump's Justice Department, and we're getting crapped on and lied to by Trump's people on a massive MURDEROUS level.

You bet I think that's about as important as it gets right now.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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It's sort of not welcomed in my small circle of friends and acquaintances here in Vegas, that I can tell you. Bring up the multiple incidents/people/shooters and you will most likely get shot down as I did on Tuesday.


Well, I guess we have to expect all kinds, right? Did those people have personal experiences? Others in this thread and elsewhere have expressed interest.


There was talk of a picture of broken glass at the Bellagio, IIRC, is that true? I have not seen it. Maybe I got my info wrong in my head. Does it actually exist?


There is a video from a Bellagio guest named Rene Downs which shows broken glass on the floor. Other witnesses at the Bellagio wrote accounts of the broken doors and glass on the floor -- "glass everywhere." So apparently yes, that broken glass is a thing.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

It was not the cup that got hit by the bullet. The bullet hit the girl in her leg/foot....then you see the bullet hit the ground just behind the cup.

If you really pay attention to the video you will see the blood splater. The cup was emty and the ground is practically all dry.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 08:13 PM
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it is a lot cheaper to put fake cameras out there and people assume they are working real cameras, I have seen other stories where cameras were fake or they stopped working and no bothered to fix them for years,,,the stop working one was in a park where a crime happened and it came out that the cameras in the park had not been working for years so no film of the crime



originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher
a reply to: Boadicea




At least, if ATS is indicative of the people in general, then yes. People are still questioning and will continue to question.


It's sort of not welcomed in my small circle of friends and acquaintances here in Vegas, that I can tell you. Bring up the multiple incidents/people/shooters and you will most likely get shot down as I did on Tuesday.

It's a small circle so that may not be the case in the rest of the city. I don't know. Just as I don't know what the heck actually happened here as, like you said, the story keeps changing and how can we trust the people giving us the "story".

There was talk of a picture of broken glass at the Bellagio, IIRC, is that true? I have not seen it. Maybe I got my info wrong in my head. Does it actually exist?

ETA:


Yes, it's a given that LE have video from all over the Strip and the casinos and probably all kinds of stores and restaurants.


Interesting "fact" about Las Vegas. We have cameras at almost all street major street intersections. I have been told by cops whom regularly visit the restaurant I work at - as it's really close to UMC and Valley hospitals - that they do not record the info on them. So why are they there?

One of those things that make you go "Hmmmmmm!".

edit on 26-10-2017 by research100 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Boadicea

It was not the cup that got hit by the bullet. The bullet hit the girl in her leg/foot....then you see the bullet hit the ground just behind the cup.

If you really pay attention to the video you will see the blood splater. The cup was emty and the ground is practically all dry.


Hmmmmm.... I'll look again when I get a chance. I'm really not sure my monitor is even good enough for me to see that. But I'll give it a try!



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Look at it with 0.25 speed an full screen. You will see that there is a lot of blood.. She even cry's out as soon as she is behind out of the view of the camera.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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Have non of you people managed to spot the three shooters back stage yet?

Have no one managed to debunk my claim that there are three muzlle flashes comming from back stage?



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