Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

Since I did place this thread in the Dissecting Disinformation forum, I think I need to address the blatant disinfo which seems to be permeating (and tainting) this whole situation. Especially after one such person -- Scott Binsack of the MFA Underground -- thought it was a good idea to give everyone -- like me! -- the middle finger F.U. if you dare to question his awesome possumness. Because folks who think for themselves are that easily bullied? No. I don't know about where he comes from, but where I come from, dem are fightin' words. So I'm going to use Scott Binsack as my example, but the same principles apply to others, like Laura Loomer, and even the MSM.

After watching an hour-and-a-half of Binsack to see what he claims is "proof" of Jesus Campos being entered into the computers only the day before the shooting, and by the CEO himself, what we got was a pic of a computer screen with some words on it. Mr. Binsack did not even claim to have personal knowledge, as in he personally got access to the MGM computers and looked it up personally to find it. Nope. Someone he knows took a pic and sent it to him. And that's his ironclad don't-you-dare-doubt-me "proof."

I could freaking photoshop that myself and take a picture of it and send to Mr. Binsack!!! That's not proof of anything. I'm not even sure it's evidence of anything. I will assume that the computer screen does show a standard Mandalay Bay employee screen page, but there's absolutely nothing verifying the information upon that screen as genuine. And given that it was obviously an MGM insider that provided that pic, it's just as obvious that the insider had the means and the opportunity to create that page out of thin air and then took a picture of it to send to Mr. Binsack. That's not proof.

And throughout his self-important hour plus spiel, he often added opinions to facts and then declared ALL of it proven fact... it wasn't. For example, he spent quite a bit of time going over the sale of stocks by MGM execs. That is fact. Then he added it was insider trading -- i.e., the execs sold their stocks because they knew about the coming attack. That is opinion. But after mixing his facts with his speculation, he declared it all to be proof and facts. It's not.

Nor did Mr. Binsack even consider -- much less rule out -- other possibilities. For example, rumors I've heard say that the CEO got much grief for his offer to match employee contributions to his pet causes, and that he is planning to resign from MGM. If true, that would explain why the CEO sold so much stock... and the timing is explained by the scheduled due dates to sell those stocks.

Personally, I think the CEO may indeed be complicit in all this. But I don't know that. And nothing Binsack has provided proves that. Do I think he has "insider" friends and connections? Sure. But for all I know, those friends are sitting in Quantico feeding him his disinformation to spew to the masses. Whoever his friends are, he trusts them -- I have no reason to trust them. And I have no reason to trust him. Pretty much puts us right back where we are with the Feds and the Sheriff. Lots of unsubstantiated and unproven stories that we're just supposed to believe because he told us so. And to that end, I can't help but wonder if his diarrhea of the mouth has a purpose... That hour-and-a-half I wasted listening to him could have been much better spent elsewhere.

And if he really had the best interests of the nation and people at heart, and if he really wanted the truth to be known far and wide, he wouldn't be making any threats to anyone who dares repeat his information. Instead, he would be doing anything and everything he could to spread that information to the four winds.

He's obviously a self-promoter, and good for him... but that's a big problem for us. He's selling himself -- not the truth.

But I won't flip him off for it either. I just know better than to waste my time on him.

a reply to: Boadicea

I've yet to see one person/youtube investigator come up with the promised proof of anything

As for Sled's post regarding people seeing shooters on the ground, there was some police audio that stated there was a shooter outside the medical tent. I remember that well because I was pretty stunned that it was discussed over the airwaves as it were because i goes against all that has been told to us so far.

Notice also how nothing else is coming out now and its all gone rather quiet? Then up pops child porn allegations against Bruce Paddock....hmmmm

It sure seems to me that by now we should have heard about XXX .223 casings and XXX .308 casings were recovered at the scene (MB)....assuming some of them were not recovered due to falling/ejecting out the window, etc I would think it should still be around a 90-ish% recovery. That info should have surely been tallied and shared by now. I have not heard of it though, but I admit to not reading every thread in the 3 or 4 main posts on the shooting.

Enough audio and video exist to have a count of shots fired. If 20% of the shots sound of a heavier caliber and 80% of the lighter - then there should be a similar casing count. Combine with audio forensics from each recording to measure each shot signature / amplitude / sound characteristics, etc and there should be no mystery....yet there still is.

I would think even the ground below had to have been combed through in the search for evidence and not very many of the casings would be MIA when all is said and done. Those casings recovered should also tally closely to the different rifle sounds too....easy peasy if all is up and up.

Those are the two main calibers of the the weapons that were allegedly used (again - unless I am missing some info).

Sorry...rambling = no coffee yet

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I didn't hear about a shooter outside the medical tent... just that the EMTs were taking gunfire at the Tropicana. Maybe it's the same incident?

Otherwise, I'm right there with you on everything. Lots of "bombshell" promises that never materialize... more like pie-crust promises. Lots of "proof" that amounts to nothing more than pictures of pictures. And, yes, the inevitable irredeemable child-porn-on-the-computer charges...

I'm glad I'm in good company -- thank you!

a reply to: Boadicea

No this audio said a shooter outside the medical tent in the ground. I've no clue which thread all the audio is posted in now lol and would take hours to find it but might have a look later on. This to me confirmed what the poor witnesses said they'd seen that there were shooters on the ground. Poor buggers being called liars and mistaken blah blah must be driving them nuts not being listened to

a reply to: ronjer

Ramblings are acceptable here! Sometimes ramblings help us put our thoughts and information in order and make appropriate and valuable connections we might otherwise miss

And you're right: We should have official and specific numbers, locations, evidence markers, documents, records, pictures, etc. Don't tell us... show us!!! And if they cannot or will not, then it's just talk.

I would also very much like to know how exactly they ruled out other shooters? How exactly did they prove a negative??? The absolute best they could say is that they found no definitive proof of another shooter. I would say it's absolutely impossible to definitively rule it out.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

No this audio said a shooter outside the medical tent in the ground.

Wow. I missed that! I'll keep an eye out for it, and if I find it, I'll post it for the record.

I think the whole calling victims liars is freaking cruel to the max. And imagine if these people sought counseling and made their claims only for their counselor to treat them as delusional?

I sure hope those folks find stuff like this thread and feel some support and know that not everyone is buying the official story. We may not know the whole truth, but we know many of the lies.

a reply to: Boadicea

We agree about Binsack. He takes a fact and then adds on opinion to create more "facts". He's too long-winded to listen to for hours which is the length of his shows, some running 3+ hours.

MFA is not a credible source IMHO.

a reply to: Boadicea

Binsack would have been better off showing a pic of the MGM screenshot that showed Campos not even in their database !!

Ok I haven't really subscribed to the multiple shooter theory even though I think the official story is BS. But this is the first thing I've seen that has me truly considering another shooter.

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Thoughts?

a reply to: Boadicea

I listened to Binsack's interview with Kevin and there were only 2 things that he said that meant much of anything:

1) He said shooters were on top of hotels, dropped there by helicopter but left through the hotels.
2) A woman was shot very close to Tropicana or rather on their grounds.

It took an hour to get that out.
Point #1 might have merit but requires some sort of proof which no one has seen.
#2 Yes, she was a long way from the concert there (800 yards) so unlikely to have been hit by fire from Mandalay.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Boadicea

We agree about Binsack. He takes a fact and then adds on opinion to create more "facts". He's too long-winded to listen to for hours which is the length of his shows, some running 3+ hours.

MFA is not a credible source IMHO.

But he talks a good game! I'm sure it won't be long until he overplays his hand... hypes his "bombshell" exclusives without producing anything of substance one too many times and folks will just stop paying attention.

What I wonder is who is going to start asking the hard questions of the authorities and start demanding the hard answers. When someone starts demanding all the appropriate answers from all the proper authorities, then I'll be impressed.

Don't show me pics of a computer screen that your super secret source sent you all super secretly... demand the employment records from the authorities. We've seen the union prez trot out and praise Campos, but I have yet to see/hear any official report of who employs him. Neither Mandalay nor MGM has officially claimed him. There's a Jesus Campos listed as working for CSC, a private company that provides security guards for special events, but even that entry is suspect. And even if it is legit, then why would the security guard be on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay checking a door alarm?

Which keeps me wondering about the reports of shooters dressed in security jackets/vests....

I've pretty much established for myself that this was not a lone gunman situation. Even if there were no other gunman at any other venue (and I have not ruled that out!), I have no doubt there were other shooters (plural) upon the concert-goers and venue. This was a well planned, well equipped, and well funded operation with multiple players on the ground, in the air, and more behind the scenes. And it's being covered up by the authorities. Why? And who???

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Boadicea

Binsack would have been better off showing a pic of the MGM screenshot that showed Campos not even in their database !!

But then his secret buddy couldn't have practiced and shown off his awesome skills.

a reply to: JaeG14

Wow! Thank you for the link. There is definitely someone dressed all in black -- perhaps even a ski mask -- on top of that trailer or whatever it is. The video is worth embedding:

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Boadicea

I listened to Binsack's interview with Kevin...

You're a real trooper! Thanks for taking one for the team

...and there were only 2 things that he said that meant much of anything:

1) He said shooters were on top of hotels, dropped there by helicopter but left through the hotels.
2) A woman was shot very close to Tropicana or rather on their grounds.

Well, point one is possible -- especially given the unaccounted for aircraft we know was in the sky. I had briefly wondered about shooters being picked up from hotel roofs, but didn't really have anything to go on, it was just a thought. But I never thought about them being dropped off there.

If that's true, I'm wondering if the guys in the black monster trucks at Hooters knew. Or when they knew. From Google satellite pics, there is rooftop parking it looks like.

Point two lines up with the police audio and a eyewitness regarding a deceased female at the Tropicana -- shot in the head as I recall. And given the triage area right outside in the parking lot, I can't imagine it would be one of those being treated there. It sounds like someone shot inside the hotel.

a reply to: Boadicea

ronjer you posted up above..the casing would not be on the ground...there are 2 roofs way lower below the window here the shooter was firing from the madalay bay...the casings would have landed there, not on the ground...they would have been undisturbed and easy for officers to retrieve.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: JaeG14

Wow! Thank you for the link. There is definitely someone dressed all in black -- perhaps even a ski mask -- on top of that trailer or whatever it is. The video is worth embedding:

No problem, and thanks for embedding. This video really has me tripping out as it's the only solid evidence of anything. Helicopters, drones, gun running, etc are all interesting theories but we cant prove anything. Yet this video proves someone in all black at a slightly elevated position during the shooting. I'd love for the official story believers to explain this one.

a reply to: Boadicea

This has come up before. It could be a shadow of someone.
Also, there are various lighting crew members up in towers that people don't pay much attention to.
May have been security for all we know.

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: Boadicea

ronjer you posted up above..the casing would not be on the ground...there re 2 roofs way lower belwo the window here the shooter was firing from the madalay bay...the casings would have landed there, not on the ground...they would have been undisturbed and easy for officers to retrieve.

I would say it would be both, as they'd be bouncing and rolling and even knocking each other around after falling.

But I want to hear that from the authorities. I want to hear where those bullets fell, how many they found, where they found them, what kind of ammo, how many shots from the left window and how many shots from the right window... and every other pertinent detail to prove their conclusions.

a reply to: Boadicea

well...maybe that depends on how big are the 2 roofs and how far do they stick out....that's plays into the landing...but I agree we should hear the pertinent details for sure