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Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

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posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Salander


The others were primarily interested in reciting the official storyad nauseam to anybody with a camera or microphone.


I don't doubt that the government has hired such crisis actors to push the official story... and, of course, ad nauseum infinitum! It's quite effective, I'm sure. Introduce the sympathy factor, so anyone who challenges the victim's story becomes the bad guy. And then it turns into an ongoing argument between the sympathizers and the doubters... all based on opinion not fact... nothing provable... distracting from the event and putting the focus on individuals. But it sure feeds the divide-and-conquer tactic, eh? Which then, also, rages on ad nauseum infinitum. And it gets us nowhere.

But it sure helps the one's treating us like mushrooms: Keep us in the dark and feed us you-know-what.




posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
I'm still interested in seeing a list of the casualties. Not by name, but by type of injury or wound. How many trampled or otherwise injured? How many with gunshot wounds and what kind?


And what was the angle of the gunshot? And the proximity? And where within the venue were they hit? Were casualties confined or concentrated in certain spots over others? Yes, many many questions, but I doubt we'll ever get the answers.


A good friend lives there, and he and his wife have 2 different friends with kids at the concert. 2 siblings, one alone with friends. Of the 3, one completely unharmed, 1 with a gunshot wound to arm, and 1 dead.


That's so heart wrenching. My heart goes out to them.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: KansasGirl

You must not be aware that abeverage was in Las Vegas that night and staying at the Mandalay Bay. At least, I hope you are unaware, because I don't want to think you would have responded the way you did if you did know.

Of everyone chiming in on this situation -- including me -- abeverage is the one speaking from personal knowledge and experience. And as far as I'm concerned, therefore with the greatest authority and insight into the situation. Whereas we spout and spew what we think happened or didn't happen or should have happened, abeverage knows whereof he speaks.

And I very much appreciate his input. He doesn't have to contribute a darn thing, and given the trauma he personally experienced, I have much respect and admiration for his contributions. I hope you will as well.


Thank you! I appreciate it but I was not everywhere nor did I see everything and believe me there are LOTS of things that are mysterious or inconsistencies...

I can only report what I saw, heard and experienced that night and believe me every chance I got standing next a SWAT or Police I would ask them what was happening and often they knew they were getting false claims and that this situation was chaotic.

Because of my experience has left me needing to know and sort my recollection I have scoured pages and videos

I did ride right past both Triage areas and past HOOTERS on the way to being bused to the Thomas Mack Center.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: abeverage


there were at least 500 injured! FIVE HUNDRED! Those are from being shot! , or trampled!)

It seems to me that those triage areas were placed where the injured and wounded were going to when they fled the gunfire at the venue. Pretty darn practical and efficient to me. Looking at a map, it is very easy to see the path taken from the north side of the venue straight up the parking lot between the Tropicana and Hooters, and exactly where that triage area was set up.

I'm still not convinced that there was not additional shooters at Hooters, the Tropicana, etc. But one doesn't preclude the other. Those first responders did an amazing job under impossible conditions. No criticisms or complaints from me. God bless 'em one and all.


That is correct about Hooters and was the nearest and what was thought to be the safest place to run to, and exactly what any responders would have done.

I am also not convinced there wasn't more shooters that night, but I am in need of serious evidence not just testimony by those seeking fame (ie Dan Bilzerian...)



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: KansasGirl

You must not be aware that abeverage was in Las Vegas that night and staying at the Mandalay Bay. At least, I hope you are unaware, because I don't want to think you would have responded the way you did if you did know.

Of everyone chiming in on this situation -- including me -- abeverage is the one speaking from personal knowledge and experience. And as far as I'm concerned, therefore with the greatest authority and insight into the situation. Whereas we spout and spew what we think happened or didn't happen or should have happened, abeverage knows whereof he speaks.

And I very much appreciate his input. He doesn't have to contribute a darn thing, and given the trauma he personally experienced, I have much respect and admiration for his contributions. I hope you will as well.


Sorry to disappoint you.

I actually thought I was responding to a different poster.

However, though abeverage was there that night, he wasn't in all places that night. He wasn't in every hotel and casino. So while he has authority on knowing what he experienced at the places he was that night, he's not an authority on the ENTIRE event.

I appreciate your threads and all the work you've done. I'm going to continue to ask questions and try to understand, just like everyone else is, and I'm going to ask and respond in the way I feel is appropriate, no matter who the poster is.
edit on 25-10-2017 by KansasGirl because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl
What are you trying to say? Your post contradicts itself a bit.

Please use some logic and explain your point in a coherent and clear way....you know, for the rest of us dummies on this thread to whom you keep saying "don't you people look at details" and other admonishments.


I am not sure where the contradiction is, but I am trying to show to anyone that they needed to set up those triage units where they were (HOOTERS) because that is a huge area where concert goers ran to.

I am not sure about the details comment though?



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
I'm still interested in seeing a list of the casualties. Not by name, but by type of injury or wound. How many trampled or otherwise injured? How many with gunshot wounds and what kind?



I'm with you on this. I think it's odd that we have heard zilch about their ballistics findings at the venue.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: abeverage

originally posted by: KansasGirl
What are you trying to say? Your post contradicts itself a bit.

Please use some logic and explain your point in a coherent and clear way....you know, for the rest of us dummies on this thread to whom you keep saying "don't you people look at details" and other admonishments.


I am not sure where the contradiction is, but I am trying to show to anyone that they needed to set up those triage units where they were (HOOTERS) because that is a huge area where concert goers ran to.

I am not sure about the details comment though?


Thank you. That clears it up!

The details comment- that's what I was talking about in my PM to you, apologizing. I thought I was responding to a different poster from this and other threads. My apologies.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: abeverage


Thank you!


You're very welcome. I'm sorry it was even necessary.


I appreciate it but I was not everywhere nor did I see everything and believe me there are LOTS of things that are mysterious or inconsistencies...

I can only report what I saw, heard and experienced that night...


My apologies if I overstated your position -- I sure didn't mean to do that. But I don't regret giving you a little extra credibility. And your integrity and honesty is very much appreciated... which just increases your credibility that much more! So thank you.


Because of my experience has left me needing to know and sort my recollection I have scoured pages and videos


I wish you the best in coming to terms with the events of that night and finding peace. I wish I could do more.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: KansasGirl


I'm going to ask and respond in the way I feel is appropriate, no matter who the poster is.


Good to know.

Just remember, others will respond to you in the way they feel is appropriate. Good people can disagree without being rude or obnoxious about it.

I would suggest that you also remember that thinking and believing is not knowing.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

My heartfelt condolences to all victims, what a terrible tragedy.

I have to point out something on this thread.... I logged in just for that:


In Canada, on October 22nd, 2014, There was a 'terrorist' or 'lone crazy gunmen attack' at the war memorial monument, where a war veteran was killed and then the lone gunmen walked into the parliament armed and missed the room with the prime minister to be gunned down by the sergeant at arms of the parliament.

During the reign of the Conservative party (right-wing), that day a new draconian public security piece of legislation was the talk of the day. (odd coincidence methinks) but about the multiple shooters:

Why this extremely relevant is this:

I am a government employee, was working in a federal building in the national capital, Ottawa, in a cafeteria and the Radio reports threw the whole city into a massive panic.

I remember being in the cafeteria and hearing radio reports of multiple shooters, at least 3 dressed in government employee clothes, with proper badges, they said other shootings had taken place at the local 'Rideau' shopping mall, other shootings in a few locations had been reported as well. The radio said one of the shooters was on the loose in the downtown core, they talked about it all day, the word sniper was on the radio more than 5 times.... Manager in my buildings where closing blinds, telling people to step away from the windows.

This leads the government to implement a "Shelter in place order" of all federal buildings nationwide (even in Vancouver, at the other end of the country). (just like the measures in the new piece of security legislation...)
EMployees where to stay in place, until the end of the situation.... People where let go after normal works hours around
6 pm... but some buldings up to 8pm. This was unprecedented for Canada....

I was scheduled for some vacation time that day at 2 pm, and had to argue with a security guard, and security directorate high executive just to be allowed outside of the building that day. On my way back home across the provincial bridge, (i live in Gatineau, Québec, neighboring town, traffic was slowed to a halt for at least 2hours across both provinces and checkpoints had been set up on the bridges. The reason for the checkpoint was the 'other suspects'.

there was even a quarantine in the downtown Ottawa core of a few streets up the late hours of that evening. where the tv was saying the last shooter was...

then disinfo in the days following... as it seems there was only one lone gunman, that her mother had an estranged relationship with... hadn't seen him in years ...and that he had been seduced by the ISIS philosophy maybe, but is mentally ill...


I remember the Radio and tv talking about multiple shooters almost all day.
I remember clearly talk of at least 3 other shooters at the Rideau shopping mall.
I remember the radio said the suspects were on the loose and possibly dressed as government workers.

The hysteria level was high that day, same as 911, everyone panicking calling their moms, everyone blogging their minds on social media.

No media anchor lost their jobs for false reports during a crisis.
No stories were published to redact these things.

the 'myth', if myth there is, just becomes official narrative...



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: abeverage

originally posted by: KansasGirl
What are you trying to say? Your post contradicts itself a bit.

Please use some logic and explain your point in a coherent and clear way....you know, for the rest of us dummies on this thread to whom you keep saying "don't you people look at details" and other admonishments.


I am not sure where the contradiction is, but I am trying to show to anyone that they needed to set up those triage units where they were (HOOTERS) because that is a huge area where concert goers ran to.

I am not sure about the details comment though?


Thank you. That clears it up!

The details comment- that's what I was talking about in my PM to you, apologizing. I thought I was responding to a different poster from this and other threads. My apologies.


No worries and no offense taken. I also would like to see an audit on injuries as far as how many were shot vs. trampling or falls etc without invading privacy of course. Doubt we will see it.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: pupetmaster

Thank you for taking the time to share that -- definitely quite pertinent to this situation. And I remember the event you speak of, albeit the official story. I don't remember anything about multiple shooters though. Which pretty much proves your point.

I remember reading in one of the witness accounts that signs along the Strip were telling people to go to the ballroom of the nearest hotel for safety. Even as I read that, and understanding that it was done with (hopefully) the best of intentions, I also shuddered at how that could also work against people. First and foremost, by basically creating a mass confined target for those already so inclined! But also by the authorities, who can easily exploit the situation.

There are just so many troublesome implications in how this was handled -- and continues to be handled. We cannot trust our authorities to do what is right when they refuse to act right. And I don't mean the average LEO on the street doing his/her job the best way they know how for all the right reasons. I mean the ones calling the shots at the top. They can't even get their story straight! But we're supposed to accept whatever they say without question -- and without any proof or substantiation whatsoever. We obviously cannot trust them -- neither their word nor their competency -- but we are expected to trust them nevertheless.



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: sled735
a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

The ambulances were at Hooters because that is where they set up the first triage unit.
It was too dangerous to bring them into the area of gunfire.



The gunfire only lasted 10 minutes according to authorities.
Which makes Hooters a terrible choice since it's 3/4 of a mile away, too far to ask wounded people to go.
Now if there were people shot at Hooters it would make much more sense.
Triage should have been set up at the concert grounds ASAP.
Perhaps that's why SWAT waited an hour to breach the room (it's the amount of time that really bugs me).
It was another hour they declare the area "unsafe".
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posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: sled735
a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

The ambulances were at Hooters because that is where they set up the first triage unit.
It was too dangerous to bring them into the area of gunfire.



The gunfire only lasted 10 minutes according to authorities.
Which makes Hooters a terrible choice since it's 3/4 of a mile away, too far to ask wounded people to go.
Now if there were people shot at Hooters it would make much more sense.
Triage should have been set up at the concert grounds ASAP.
Perhaps that's why SWAT waited an hour to breach the room (it's the amount of time that really bugs me).
It was another hour they declare the area "unsafe".


Maybe if you listen to the MFA video I posted somewhere above here it will answer your questions. Scott has someone who was there who was working with Security telling how it all went down.

Here is the latest video too: MFA Video



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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The shooters brother Bruce Paddock has been busted for child pornography and child exploitation.


Bruce Paddock, brother of Vegas shooter, arrested on child pornography–related charges

Bruce Paddock, brother to the perpetrator of the Las Vegas mass shooting, was arrested in North Hollywood allegedly for crimes relating to child pornography and sexual exploitation of a minor, according to multiple reports.
Bruce Paddock was one of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock's three brothers, albeit estranged from the family. Earlier this month, Stephen Paddock killed 58 people and wounded hundreds more using a modified semi-automatic gun fired from the window of a Las Vegas hotel room. Stephen Paddock committed suicide after his massacre, leaving little evidence as to his motives. Since the massacre, there has been a flurry of interest both in understanding the shooter's motives and on gun law reform. Little progress has been made on either front.
This was not the first time that Bruce Paddock had faced criminal charges; indeed, NBC News reported that "Bruce Paddock has a criminal record stretching back to the 1980s, with convictions for vandalism, criminal threats, theft and driving with a suspended vehicle and other arrests for which he was not convicted."
Bruce Paddock is not to be confused with shooter Stephen Paddock's other brother, Eric Paddock. Eric Paddock became the focus of media attention after giving a lengthy emotional interview on the front lawn of his Florida home days after the shooting. The shooter also has a fourth brother named Patrick Paddock who lives Tucson, Arizona.
Patrick Paddock told the New York Times in a recent interview that Stephen Paddock was "the most boring one in the family ... He was the least violent one in the family, over a 30-year history."

It seems unlikely that Bruce Paddock faced new police scrutiny as a result of the media focus on his family, as many of the charges against him appear to date to 2014. An NBC affiliate reported that the Los Angeles County criminal complaint listed "20 potential counts" for Paddock, which included "19 counts of sexual exploitation of a child and one count of possession of child pornography."

www.salon.com...



posted on Oct, 25 2017 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: sled735

Maybe if you listen to the MFA video I posted somewhere above here it will answer your questions. Scott has someone who was there who was working with Security telling how it all went down.

Here is the latest video too: MFA Video


I appreciate the link, thanks!
I like some of Binsacks work but he draws it out for hours turning 15 minutes of material into an hour of talking.
If you have any of his conclusions I'd be interested to hear them, he claims to have many sources in Las Vegas.
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posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Thanks for the link, Sled -- I watched it.

ATA -- Most of it went over the same things we've gone over here. At the very end though, he did show pics of what are supposed to be MGM computer screens for Jesus Campos employment with Mandalay Bay, showing virtually no information about him, no pic, but it did show that he was entered by the CEO the day before the concert.

I'm not convinced... which, of course, earned me the big fat middle finger from the good Mr. Binsack -- LOL!!!



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: sled735

Maybe if you listen to the MFA video I posted somewhere above here it will answer your questions. Scott has someone who was there who was working with Security telling how it all went down.

Here is the latest video too: MFA Video


I appreciate the link, thanks!
I like some of Binsacks work but he draws it out for hours turning 15 minutes of material into an hour of talking.
If you have any of his conclusions I'd be interested to hear them, he claims to have many sources in Las Vegas.


I haven't had my 5th cup of coffee yet, so let me see if I can get my brain to cooperate.


If memory serves me, (from the last link I posted) he said he has sources that makes him draw his conclusion 100% that the helicopters heard before the shooting started were dropping off snipers onto tops of different buildings. One on the Tropicana, one on the towers, and one on the top of Mandalay Bay.
There may have been more I'm forgetting. He also thinks there may have been shooters on the ground mixed in with the crowd. He doesn't think Paddock fired any weapons on the crowd, he was just the patsy. The shots from Mandalay Bay came from the roof, according to his theory.

The guy he's interviewing, Kevin, will be releasing videos today and as time goes by, to back up his story and show us what he has been telling up to this point. Steve wanted everyone to hear his story first so we would know what we were looking at when the video(s) is released.

One interesting part is where Kevin came face to face with one of the shooters from the roof by accident who were coming down in the elevator. I can't go through that whole story; you'll have to watch the video. Sorry.

You are right about him dragging things out. That gets to me too, but he does seem to have evidence from reliable sources that are connecting the dots, so I keep listening.



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 09:37 AM
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Hmmmmm... that was a different video than I watched then. But it's okay. I'll do without. I'm not going back!



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