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Liberals Love Trump's Tax Plan... When Told It's Bernie Sanders' Plan

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posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 01:25 AM
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a reply to: thepixelpusher

I was talking more about Establishment Right Wing Republicans actually. The ones who actually are in the position to take advantage of ways to socialize their financial losses.

I should have specified more clearly as I'm against those kinds of generalizations myself as well.

But it also includes other people on the right who talk sh*t about socialized programs but still take advantage of them themselves like many poor conservatives as well. But I realize not all of them do, just like not all on the left take advantage of them either.

I wasn't saying anything about Trump supporters specifically at all though. So, ya. Hopefully that clears it up a bit more to your satisfaction.




posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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Regardless of what it does or does not do, Trump's tax plan provides cuts for the one percent. This is utterly unacceptable. Income inequality is exceptionally high today, perhaps the highest in America ever. The upper class do not need any more cuts; rather, they need to start sharing with the people.



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

He's not a communist at all. Saying he's not a full communist implies he's still a communist. He's not. He's a democratic socialist which is far from the same thing.


He has ties to the Communist Party from a long time ago. Marx and Lenin both stated that communism was the goal of socialism. Socialism is embedded within communism but still retains some capitalist modes in many countries because it requires capitalism to fund its programs. But let his record stand for itself

While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”
nypost.com...
www.trevorloudon.com...
moonbattery.com...
Why insist on
pretending that he's not really a communist. If it walks like one, talks like one... Why cant people just admit he's really communist, why the obfuscation here by media, by himself, by his followers and fellow Democrat Komrades?
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posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: tabularosa
Regardless of what it does or does not do, Trump's tax plan provides cuts for the one percent. This is utterly unacceptable. Income inequality is exceptionally high today, perhaps the highest in America ever. The upper class do not need any more cuts; rather, they need to start sharing with the people.


You are just spouting more Marxist nonsense. Its always been the goal of Marxists to abolish capitalism, private property, and the bourgeois family. I know you believe this is the only fair thing to do but it is not. Tell me truly that you believe that NFL players are either part of the 1% or that they need more wealthy people to share with them? Its all relative. This whole sharing with others just because you have more doesn't cut it as far as genuine fairness. Confiscating peoples wealth is unfair even though it may appear to such as yourself as creating more equality.
How will you feel if some friend comes to you and says you've got one dollar more than I do, how dare you have that. Give me 50 cents of it and we will be equal? will you view that person as deserving of your 50 cents just because you have it and he doesn't? Its the same principle even though you may both be poor. But some how people such as yourself seem to think that people who made a lot of money or inherited money their dad made somehow don't deserve it and you deserve to have some of that just because. The whole thing is just a ridiculous concept.

And when Sanders magically waves his wand and voila the government pays for everything..... first you need to know its the peoples taxes that pay for it. The government has no business redistributing peoples earned income just because some blow hard in Congress thinks communism is a cool idea.



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Because he's not a communist. Why can't you accept that you're wrong???

He doesn't claim to be communist. He doesn't act like a communist. He doesn't promote communism. He's not a communist.

Those sources you list are complete crap as well. The NYPost is total a fake news tabloid that nobody takes seriously and the other two are what exactly???

He's a democratic socialist just like he says he is. Stop making stuff up and face reality. You're being ridiculous. But then for you that's pretty normal.



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: loam
Well, all thingsa considered...this is a time-honoured 'gotcha' formula! Enjoy!




Hahah /ded

got 4 minutes in, but I swear Gryphon66 will explode !!




Are there Republicans in Columbia U? Just wondering...



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Because he's not a communist. Why can't you accept that you're wrong???

He doesn't claim to be communist. He doesn't act like a communist. He doesn't promote communism. He's not a communist.

Those sources you list are complete crap as well. The NYPost is total a fake news tabloid that nobody takes seriously and the other two are what exactly???

He's a democratic socialist just like he says he is. Stop making stuff up and face reality. You're being ridiculous. But then for you that's pretty normal.


Because I'm not wrong. period



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Yeah, you are wrong actually. You know how I know???

Because He'll tell you himself. Despite all the slanderous BS that people like you like to say about him and all the hell he has to endure for admitting that he's personally a Democratic Socialist even.

He's in office ya know and even votes in line with what a Democratic Socialist would vote like. He's also talked multiple times on what he thinks and believes openly and honestly.

But all that must be fake I guess and only you know the truth I suppose.

BTW, DID I MENTION YOU'RE WRONG??? BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG. DEAL WITH IT.

and stop making stuff up too. Isn't that against your religion as well?? Repent sinner.



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Marx and Lenin both stated that communism was the goal of socialism.


This is by far the best part right here.

You go around calling others Communists. You're calling some other member a Marxist. Using terms like "Komrades" Just labeling people with whatever you want to try and discredit them.

Yet, you're the one referencing Marx and Lenin and using them to justify your argument. It sounds to me like you might be the Communist. What's your fixation with Marx and Lenin huh??? You sure do seem to put an awful lot of trust in what they said as being true.



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Marx and Lenin both stated that communism was the goal of socialism.


This is by far the best part right here.

You go around calling others Communists. You're calling some other member a Marxist. Using terms like "Komrades" Just labeling people with whatever you want to try and discredit them.

Yet, you're the one referencing Marx and Lenin and using them to justify your argument. It sounds to me like you might be the Communist. What's your fixation with Marx and Lenin huh??? You sure do seem to put an awful lot of trust in what they said as being true.


You sure know how to twist things around. Not only will I reference Marx and Lenin, I will quote them. After that, you can tell me which part of that I made up.

First heres

The goal of socialism is communism. Vladimir Lenin
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Heres Marx

In classic Marxist theory, Communism is the final stage of the evolution of human socioeconomic relations. In the Marxist model, the feudal state is overthrown by the rise of the bourgeoisie, ushering in the capitalist epoch. Capitalism is then overthrown by the rise of the proletariat, which ushers in not communism, but the Socialist state. Each previous step is the necessary precondition for the next.
The socialist state is thus the pre-condition for communism, and its function is to alter the state of human material conditions in such a way that communism can function. The socialist state then "withers away," leading to the end of political power in any centralized form – including nation states, as communism as envisioned by Marx is to be an international system. Equally important is the disappearance of social class distinctions, which goes hand in hand with the end of political power:

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Communism, as the concept was used by Marx, will emerge from the socialist economies.
www.economictheories.org...

Here it is from the Marxist point of view that socialism is a transitory state

The other part of this equation in the first stage of socialism is that the dictatorship of the capitalists, of the ruling class, would be replaced by a dictatorship of the proletariat, of the workers and oppressed. Now, similar to the idea of equal pay, this would obviously be an advance — a state set up to be truly “for the people,” with the people’s interests in mind rather than profits. But just like Marx and Engels saw the concept of equal pay under socialism as transitory, so did they see the dictatorship of the proletariat as transitory.
www.workers.org...
So which part of THAT did I make up?
Marx also said that Democracy is the road to socialism.
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posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 12:11 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I think you missed the point of what I was saying.

I'm not saying anything about Marx.

The point I was trying to illustrate was that you imply Sanders is a communist for some alleged connection to a communist group when he was in college. What's that like 50, 60 years ago??? As if people don't try different things out in college but later evolve in their thinking. Plus he's not a self identified branch of Socialist, a Democratic Socialist. Which by the way you seem to ignore the Democratic part for some reason.

Then here you are quoting and referencing Marx and Lenin.

Why shouldn't we make grand assumptions about you as well based on that?? Sure you don't claim to be a communist but you seem very familiar with their school of thought. Sanders doesn't claim to be a communist either, but you don't give him the same respect as you demand of yourself.

Why is it ok to make claims about Sanders by something he may have associated with back in college but not you for quoting Marx and Lenin??? Treat others as you'd like them to treat you ya know.



posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 12:15 AM
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Heres more

But before this (impossible) idealized condition can be achieved, there has to be socialism. The working class, according to Marx's theory, disgusted by the supposed evils of capitalism and the misery they feel it inflicts on them, transforms the capitalist nation in which workers are mercilessly exploited, into a socialist state. Under socialism, in theory the "means of production" -- factories, raw materials, machines, the labor force and the system by which it is organized -- are controlled by the people through a powerful government. The "relations of production," that is, the relationship between those who invest in and control industries and those who work in those industries is forever changed. The government steps in on behalf of the people and imposes what some call "economic democracy," theoretically giving workers control over their workplaces.

Throughout his life, Bernie Sanders has been working for socialism, the transitional stage of society before communism. He calls himself a socialist, specifically a "democratic socialist."
While Sanders has made a mountain of campaign promises that are socialistic in nature, the words he uses betray that his end-goal is actually communism.
In the speech that kicked off his presidential campaign in May, Sanders embraced the communist idea that markets are not just bad for people but are fundamentally unjust.
In an address heavy on class warfare, envy, and hatred, he declared that financial inequality "is immoral, it is bad economics, it is unsustainable." This is tantamount to saying that the only just society is one in which everyone has the same amount of money or that anyone who has the ability to make a lot of money is an enemy of the people.


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posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

What difference does it make what time period he was associated with Communist front organizations? His entire platform is communistic and based on Marxian ideas. Just because he claims he is a Democratic Socialist doesn't make him any less communistic. The Democrats and Sanders himself trying to bring a degree of separation is an outright lie.



posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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Anyway if the Bernie Sanders crowd were really smart they would know the difference between the socialistic Bern plan and the more capitalistic Trump plan .....they got lazy and just listened to the media.



posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: loam

Oh look one of THESE videos where some guy asks random people on the street a question then selectively edits out the responses that go against the predetermined answer he was looking for. Why do people fall for these videos all the time? They should be re titled to "let's make fun of stupid people" and they are about the people who watch them.
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posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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This is so easily explainable. Liberals, especially younger ones, are only interested in following the Liberal party line and talking points. Substance doesn't matter to them.



posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

Yea. Because conservatives NEVER parrot talking points or fail to research their opinions. Only liberals do that...
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posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I can't speak for all, definitely some "winners" out there.

But if you list Bernie's tax plan line items and tell me it's Trump's plan, I'm going to tell you it's ridiculous and I hate it. On the other side of the aisle as soon as you say Hillary or Bernie's name they are all in and don't care what the details are.



posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

Yeah and there are no Trump supporters who agree with Trump just because his name is attached to it? Get real man. You are deluded.



posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Probably are. I don't know any. I know dozens of the other side personally. And the video in the OP shows they are all over.



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