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Liberals Love Trump's Tax Plan... When Told It's Bernie Sanders' Plan

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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

One would think. Judging from the actions of students in Ca., I'd give the nod to the broads on the beach....I.Q. wise....




I think that is non-representative too. I find the extreme move towards identity politics and shutting down free speech to be illiberal and abhorrent. But don't pretend that you know that all 20-30,000 Berkeley students are antifa members. I grew up in the Bay Area. Berkely and Stanford attract some of the smartest people in the world. Like Harvard, they have top students from around the world fighting to get in. Fact, not opinion.

Like it or not, both schools are in the top 20 schools in the world.

Stanford at #3, Berkeley at #10.

www.timeshighereducation.com...#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats


Really? The smartest people have run this nation for a long time. The smartest have achieved the highest positions in our gov't in our education system, the list goes on. The results have been less than stellar.

It really doesn't matter the computing power if the data entry is askew. 'Smart' often means the ability to rationalize, justify any and all personal and social dramatization and impulse.

Simply put, overrated, if misused.


But still, your points are valid, but yet, aren't on point. My point in actuality was about random interviews not being representative. Any researcher worth their salt would know that. That is what is most central to the op.


If the criteria is millennials, then in all likelihood they are representative.....


THere is some idiocy amongst my generation, especially with identity politics, but I don't think many in older generations are much smarter or better informed. My parents for example, despite being *educated*, are pretty brainwashed as far as mainstream thinking.


I prefer to think of it as basic indifference as opposed to brain washed. There is plenty of information available these days that wasn't easily accessed even one generation ago. Not that we don't suffer from 'cherry picking' that information to further our personal comfort zones.....




posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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Right, but you aren't representative of your generation automatically, just as I am not of millennials.

The whole point here is that we shouldn't be generalizing entire generations.

A great deal of the older generation is not well informed, interested, or very aware of deeper issues. Just as, much of the younger generation. Most of both generations believe in very standard, mainstream ideas of reality and society.
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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

There are mindless, partisan idiots on the right too. Even many posters on this thread are saying low information, partisan things.


No doubt, but it's not being taught in school by the other side....



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

There are mindless, partisan idiots on the right too. Even many posters on this thread are saying low information, partisan things.


No doubt, but it's not being taught in school by the other side....


What isn't being taught, and who is the other side?



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Oh no they do show something, in fact this one in particular demonstrates how the media have brainwashed young people and college kids to hate all things Trump, regardless of what Trump is really doing that people would support. Young people seem to believe that Bernie is this really good guy who wants to help all the little people. He may want to do that but hes a communist and believes in communist principles, so whatever he proposes is going to have that as a goal.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

No, Bernie is not a communist. That is a flat out lie. He's never claimed to be communist ever. In fact he's openly and honestly said that he's a Democratic Socialist. So why do you falsely claim he's a Communist??? What is it about being honest that seems impossible for you??



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

No, Bernie is not a communist. That is a flat out lie. He's never claimed to be communist ever. In fact he's openly and honestly said that he's a Democratic Socialist. So why do you falsely claim he's a Communist??? What is it about being honest that seems impossible for you??

And how come communists are OK when America companies send their manufacturing there, and own their financial arse?



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Oh no they do show something, in fact this one in particular demonstrates how the media have brainwashed young people and college kids to hate all things Trump, regardless of what Trump is really doing that people would support. Young people seem to believe that Bernie is this really good guy who wants to help all the little people. He may want to do that but hes a communist and believes in communist principles, so whatever he proposes is going to have that as a goal.



The anti-trump hysteria is over the top currently, I agree. But that's a bit hyperbolic regarding Bernie. Most first world countries have instituted exactly what Bernie is suggesting. He is NOT a communist. Universal health care is not a radical idea, and we are the only first world developed country without it. Our health care costs per person, however, are still higher than those countries.. Our higher education costs are FAR higher than other developed countries, and that needs to be reduced.

It's corporate buying of our government and media that has permitted people to be brainwashed into this pro-rich, pro-corporate mentality wherein people support policies that only help the uber-wealthy.
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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

No, Bernie is not a communist. That is a flat out lie. He's never claimed to be communist ever. In fact he's openly and honestly said that he's a Democratic Socialist. So why do you falsely claim he's a Communist??? What is it about being honest that seems impossible for you??

And how come communists are OK when America companies send their manufacturing there, and own their financial arse?


I'm not anti-communist in the way right wingers are. I'm more of a democratic socialist like Bernie.

To be fair though, some of these "communist" countries such as China aren't really communist anymore. China hasn't been a full communist country since like the 80's.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Because it serves their own self interest as a capitalist. They most likely still disagree with the ideology of communism, however they'll overlook that and exploit it for their own benefit just as they would anything else that allows them to gain an advantage somewhere.

That's where capitalism becomes abusive. Because it relies on the capitalist to exercise their principles in order to keep it ethical. However when most people act in their own self interest that usually doesn't include making good ethical choices. Morals and ethics are limiting agents that restrict selfish rewards.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

He's not a communist at all. Saying he's not a full communist implies he's still a communist. He's not. He's a democratic socialist which is far from the same thing.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

He's not a communist at all. Saying he's not a full communist implies he's still a communist. He's not. He's a democratic socialist which is far from the same thing.


I agree with you. Democratic socialist is on the left side of the spectrum though, but not "communism." This is the problem with a lot of right winger views of politics. Anything on the left side is communist, from identity politics to universal health care.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Oh no they do show something, in fact this one in particular demonstrates how the media have brainwashed young people and college kids to hate all things Trump, regardless of what Trump is really doing that people would support. Young people seem to believe that Bernie is this really good guy who wants to help all the little people. He may want to do that but hes a communist and believes in communist principles, so whatever he proposes is going to have that as a goal.



The anti-trump hysteria is over the top currently, I agree. But that's a bit hyperbolic regarding Bernie. Most first world countries have instituted exactly what Bernie is suggesting. He is NOT a communist. Universal health care is not a radical idea, and we are the only first world developed country without it. Our health care costs per person, however, are still higher than those countries.. Our higher education costs are FAR higher than other developed countries, and that needs to be reduced.

It's corporate buying of our government and media that has permitted people to be brainwashed into this pro-rich, pro-corporate mentality wherein people support policies that only help the uber-wealthy.


You don't think those other nations in the world would scream bloody murder if we completely focused on our own nation...the USA? I am sure that we could offer every citizen all of these wonderful benefits too, if we were not having to put so much money into defending their countries and democracy! It is true, our defense does benefit us in long run too. The world would be completely different one if America drastically reduced their spending on global defense and they had to defend themselves!



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Exactly. Meanwhile many of those same Right Wingers embrace socialism when it suits them. They love to champion capitalism and the power of the individual achievement when their is success to be had. Then it's all about what they've accomplished and how they alone were the ones to do it all so they alone can profit from it.

But when things don't work out they try and socialize the losses. Then it becomes something everyone else should be responsible for and help pay for those losses.

They love to reap all the rewards as an individual but spread the losses to others. But you never hear them stand up for individual responsibility when it means they'll have to endure those losses.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Oh no they do show something, in fact this one in particular demonstrates how the media have brainwashed young people and college kids to hate all things Trump, regardless of what Trump is really doing that people would support. Young people seem to believe that Bernie is this really good guy who wants to help all the little people. He may want to do that but hes a communist and believes in communist principles, so whatever he proposes is going to have that as a goal.



The anti-trump hysteria is over the top currently, I agree. But that's a bit hyperbolic regarding Bernie. Most first world countries have instituted exactly what Bernie is suggesting. He is NOT a communist. Universal health care is not a radical idea, and we are the only first world developed country without it. Our health care costs per person, however, are still higher than those countries.. Our higher education costs are FAR higher than other developed countries, and that needs to be reduced.

It's corporate buying of our government and media that has permitted people to be brainwashed into this pro-rich, pro-corporate mentality wherein people support policies that only help the uber-wealthy.


You don't think those other nations in the world would scream bloody murder if we completely focused on our own nation...the USA? I am sure that we could offer every citizen all of these wonderful benefits too, if we were not having to put so much money into defending their countries and democracy! It is true, our defense does benefit us in long run too. The world would be completely different one if America drastically reduced their spending on global defense and they had to defend themselves!


We are in agreement that we shouldn't be spending this much on foreign affairs, and more money should be spent at home.

Slight correction: We aren't engaged abroad for defending those countries or "democracy." We are there for global hegemony and neo-imperialism. This only underlines that the money is being misspent.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Oh no they do show something, in fact this one in particular demonstrates how the media have brainwashed young people and college kids to hate all things Trump, regardless of what Trump is really doing that people would support. Young people seem to believe that Bernie is this really good guy who wants to help all the little people. He may want to do that but hes a communist and believes in communist principles, so whatever he proposes is going to have that as a goal.



The anti-trump hysteria is over the top currently, I agree. But that's a bit hyperbolic regarding Bernie. Most first world countries have instituted exactly what Bernie is suggesting. He is NOT a communist. Universal health care is not a radical idea, and we are the only first world developed country without it. Our health care costs per person, however, are still higher than those countries.. Our higher education costs are FAR higher than other developed countries, and that needs to be reduced.

It's corporate buying of our government and media that has permitted people to be brainwashed into this pro-rich, pro-corporate mentality wherein people support policies that only help the uber-wealthy.


You don't think those other nations in the world would scream bloody murder if we completely focused on our own nation...the USA? I am sure that we could offer every citizen all of these wonderful benefits too, if we were not having to put so much money into defending their countries and democracy! It is true, our defense does benefit us in long run too. The world would be completely different one if America drastically reduced their spending on global defense and they had to defend themselves!


We are in agreement that we shouldn't be spending this much on foreign affairs, and more money should be spent at home.

Slight correction: We aren't engaged abroad for defending those countries or "democracy." We are there for global hegemony and neo-imperialism. This only underlines that the money is being misspent.


So you believe it would not effect all of those western developed countries, if we cut back on our defense spending? They would have to completely change their budgets, cutting all of those benefits in order to defend their way of life! Look at the percentages these countries have offset for defense. Those countries whole way of life would be upturned if their budgets had to go towards defense. If not...they would be be defenseless to foreign powers.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Oh no they do show something, in fact this one in particular demonstrates how the media have brainwashed young people and college kids to hate all things Trump, regardless of what Trump is really doing that people would support. Young people seem to believe that Bernie is this really good guy who wants to help all the little people. He may want to do that but hes a communist and believes in communist principles, so whatever he proposes is going to have that as a goal.



The anti-trump hysteria is over the top currently, I agree. But that's a bit hyperbolic regarding Bernie. Most first world countries have instituted exactly what Bernie is suggesting. He is NOT a communist. Universal health care is not a radical idea, and we are the only first world developed country without it. Our health care costs per person, however, are still higher than those countries.. Our higher education costs are FAR higher than other developed countries, and that needs to be reduced.

It's corporate buying of our government and media that has permitted people to be brainwashed into this pro-rich, pro-corporate mentality wherein people support policies that only help the uber-wealthy.


You don't think those other nations in the world would scream bloody murder if we completely focused on our own nation...the USA? I am sure that we could offer every citizen all of these wonderful benefits too, if we were not having to put so much money into defending their countries and democracy! It is true, our defense does benefit us in long run too. The world would be completely different one if America drastically reduced their spending on global defense and they had to defend themselves!


We are in agreement that we shouldn't be spending this much on foreign affairs, and more money should be spent at home.

Slight correction: We aren't engaged abroad for defending those countries or "democracy." We are there for global hegemony and neo-imperialism. This only underlines that the money is being misspent.


So you believe it would not effect all of those western developed countries, if we cut back on our defense spending? They would have to completely change their budgets, cutting all of those benefits in order to defend their way of life! Look at the percentages these countries have offset for defense. Those countries whole way of life would be upturned if their budgets had to go towards defense. If not...they would be be defenseless to foreign powers.


in some cases this is true. There would be a reorganization, yes.

I don't agree with you that all of these developed countries with advanced social welfare systems would have to drop these, if we retracted some of our military presence. I think that's an unsupported hypothesis.

Also, it doesn't need to be binary. For example, if we did limit military spending to a more true defensive nature for let's say a few allies, parts of Europe, and North America, that alone would free up a lot of money. Right now we are engaged in all kinds of operations across the world that aren't purely defensive.

Again, you have to reassess whether our foreign policy is for "defense" or not. It's actually offense, and we are the aggressors for the most part since the 50's, and especially since the fall of the Soviet Union. There are few conflicts we are involved in that are defensive or for let's say democracy building.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I just realized that you and I have gotten way off topic of this OPs thread. I will simply leave a link to the details of the world's top 11 powers from 2014! I guarantee you that in 2017, some of those world powers have definitely increased their budgets as they have obviously been expanding.

2014 World's Top Powers

Needless to say, I enjoy my current way of life...I would not wish a chance of being ruled by many of the alternate world powers on that list.



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: loam


Paint by numbers politics.

"You got meeeeeee...."







Anyone else think this was going to be a Mark Dice interview?



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 01:08 AM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Exactly. Meanwhile many of those same Right Wingers embrace socialism when it suits them. They love to champion capitalism and the power of the individual achievement when their is success to be had. Then it's all about what they've accomplished and how they alone were the ones to do it all so they alone can profit from it.

But when things don't work out they try and socialize the losses. Then it becomes something everyone else should be responsible for and help pay for those losses.

They love to reap all the rewards as an individual but spread the losses to others. But you never hear them stand up for individual responsibility when it means they'll have to endure those losses.


Using the term Right Wingers is a dog whistle term. I'm a former Democrat that voted Trump and there is a more nuanced base to Trump than you think. It isn't all "Right Wingers" like you think. Hillary was just a very, very bad candidate and the Democratic Party sandbagged Bernie. Democrats need to clean up their own dictators before they go after Trump.



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