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If we take down the statues then what?

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posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn
Very good Chester I award you an ASBO.




posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

More likely I have Anti Socialism Belief Disorder. I do not believe Socialism is the answer. I believe our great nation already had it right and it has been the liberal loons since the civil war that have brought us to the state we are looking at today.

Think of the OP a little deeper.

If we go after the statues then why not the plantation homes that had slaves that built those grandiose Monuments to the southern way of life pre-1865?

And those would include the ones designed by Thomas Jefferson, the ones built on the back of slaves that houses the Franklin's, the Washington's and while we are at it the Bank of America which goes back tot he earliest of days of US History.

No my friend the real anti social behaviorist are the very ones of BLM, Antifa (which does have a leader), all Unions, NAACP, NOI, Neo Nazi's and other white supremacist, as well as the NBPM.



posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Your “logical steps” are opinions, nothing more.

Unless you have a time machine, you can’t know, only guess.

I’m hoping the next step is to abolish religion and tear down all religious buildings and destroy religious items. After all, religion is currently and has been the biggest cause of war and death.
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posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn
No, no Chester. It's a new award I've been trying ATS to take up. It's an "AWARD for STATING the BLEEDING OBVIOUS".



posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: ChesterJohn
No, no Chester. It's a new award I've been trying ATS to take up. It's an "AWARD for STATING the BLEEDING OBVIOUS".


Oh I must be too old school because ASBD acronym is already taken as "anti social behaviour disorder".

STO is the one used for stating the obvious.


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posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

No, the tortoise and the hare are safe for the time being!

Look, they attack those statues and that doesn't tell you something? They argue a history point on the Confederate statues, but really guy, the underlying agenda is as plain as the nose on a white man's face and in your heart you know what that agenda is, I shouldn't have to spell it out for you.

Demographics is destiny. By 2043, whites in the US will be a minority; they already are in California; they will be in Texas not long from now. All the "dead white" guy statues are offensive to the other minorities so.....they gotta come down. There's no history reason for it. Its just hate, plain and simple. The founding narrative is seen by them to be one of racist oppression so its necessary to demonize the founding fathers and the principles they worked with. Rushmore should be blown up! Muhammad Ali's face on the twenty dollar bill. Teach kids all about the evils of the european white explorers and settlers. Most important, teach white kids shame and self-loathing!

So really all your "arguments" about keeping the statues is just, well.......plain silly. They don't much care about logic, or preserving history, its about winning a culture war and putting up statues of their heroes. How many statues of Genghis Khan do you think you'll find in Eastern Europe?

To the winner goes the spoils and thanks to 50 years of open borders, amnesties and refugee's, evil white guy is the LOSER!



posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

I started this post to ask the question as to where will it end.

The whole uprising is not just to push the white man out as he loses control over this nation and becomes the minority. As they have already stated even if we are outnumbered we will never have the right to be called a minority.

My wife is a woman of color so I am not a racist like Farrakhan or like the white supremacist, both these groups espouse the hatred for having a relationship with someone outside your own race.

I do not believe the US will be intact by 2043. At worse it may be like a "postman" the movie scenario or maybe even a Chinese version of the "Red Dawn" scenario. At best, in my belief system, the Lord Jesus has returned and set up the kingdom.



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posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

You know what, if you have to start with calling people names then you're not even worth talking to. I'm sick of idiots calling others naive simply because they disagree with them.



posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

I pray this isnt too terribly off topic but your comment about being married to a woman of color made me want to comment on the rich irony of all this fomented hatred. Everywhere I go, I see what we used to call salt and pepper couples with kids. You see where that's going, don't you? My Congressional Rep is "black", but there's a whole lot of cream in that coffee and his wife is "hispanic white".

Guess what I am trying to say is that in another generation or two, this whole racial tribalization thing could be a real non-starter. My grand kids come over with their friends and some of their friends, I honestly can't tell which team or tribe they think they identify with. Kind of hilarious really.

As for the statues? That problem will resolve itself as well. And the Civil War re-enactment people will keep on keeping on. At the end of the day, what does it really matter. On Monday, everyone has to go back to work to keep paying the light bills and there weren't any racial tensions where I worked. Just folks trying to get by.


At best, in my belief system, the Lord Jesus has returned and set up the kingdom.


Same in my belief system which has made me realize two things. In our Lord's Kingdom there is no different colors. And second, we work and pray in hope of Jesus and in hope of returning to our TRUE home, Heaven. This place, with the statues and the kneeling football players? Yea, we're just sojourners here, trying to do the right thing. We may be (and are at the moment) in this world, but we are not "of" this world.



posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: TonyS


I pray this isnt too terribly off topic but your comment about being married to a woman of color made me want to comment on the rich irony of all this fomented hatred. Everywhere I go, I see what we used to call salt and pepper couples with kids. . . Guess what I am trying to say is that in another generation or two, this whole racial tribalization thing could be a real non-starter.


I was going to comment similarly, but refrained. You are not incorrect.

With the amount of "interracial" relationships (and not solely white and black) more and more people are not identifying with a particular "race." This will continue as a natural product of social interaction as people "intermarry." This is a decent NatGeo article: Visualizing Race, Identity, and Change

The question I have for the OP is, does he have children? If so, how do they personally, or how does he expect them to, identify?

That's the irony.



posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: TobyFlenderson

What are you talking about? I never called you any names at any time in my reply to you. Naive is not a noun, so it is not a name, it is an adjective, I simply pointed out the fact or a probability you are lacking wisdom or knowledge in the area, of the original cause for the US civil war. Which any true historian will tell it was not slavery it was state sovereignty or self rule. Slavery never entered the picture for the first two years of the US civil war, the first time it became the battle cry of the northern MainStremMedia was in 1862.

Now "idots" that is a noun, that is real name calling. But you were the one lacking understanding. Point 1) No one forced anyone to walk by any statue they disagreed with. 2) Up until recently many of those people you seem to be speaking for chose to go there and sell their drugs to white buyers never questioning the statue. 3) There were blacks who also fought under the men in those same statues and died defending themselves, their families and their owners.

It is stereotypical to think that all slave owners were cruel and vindictive, but you couldn't be further from the truth. And that again makes you Naive. If you are so bent against slavery why don't you go over to Africa and the Middle East and hoist your flag of anti-slavery over there. Because that is where slavery is still practiced TODAY and you have no idea how cruelly black slave owners are to those they own over there TODAY or the Moslem slave owners have over their slaves.

If you want to do something about it go there but don't come here acting all sanctimonious with your liberal rules and Ideas that are full of half truths and lies and start claiming you were called names, and that people were forced to walk by statues of their white masters. Because I guarantee you not one of them in Charlottesville Va a few months back was ever a slave in their life by any of the men in those statues. Slavery was banned in 1865 over 100 years ago in the US.



posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

There are so many things wrong with your. Ugly is not a noun, and yet it is derogatory. Calling someone naive is saying that the poor child just doesn't know as much as you. As for that tired old state's rights argument, what right was at that they were fighting over?

If the statue is in a public place on your way to work or school, you're going to walk by it everyday.

But this is where your true side comes out:


Up until recently many of those people you seem to be speaking for chose to go there and sell their drugs to white buyers never questioning the statue


You are beneath contempt. You are a racist and can dress it up in all the language you want but deep down inside, that's exactly what you are.

The simple act of owning a slave is inhuman. You want to argue about state's rights but care nothing for human rights. I don't go to Africa or ME to fight slavery because I'm an American living here.

Lastly, I'm no liberal you fool. I just don't believe in propagating racism and hatred.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: TobyFlenderson

If i don't like something I generally stay clear of it. It is personal choice and freedom of will. You act as if these people don't have any freewill and are being forced to look and nasty old slaver master but you are wrong.

And You were naive over the real reason for the succession of the southern states, the main reason was not slavery. If you think for one moment that 600,000 men lost their lives over slavery you are naive.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

They have freedom of choice which they exercised. You don't like it, but they took them down. You have the freedom of choice to put one up in your front yard if you want to worship these people.

Please inform me what state's rights issue was in question other than slavery. I'm so naive I just can't figure it out.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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Actually I could care less about the statues it is the freedom of speech they squelched and are still doing to anyone that doesn't agree with them on either side oft he political isle that riles me.


But the only logical conclusion is tear it all down and start over.

Will they make it a better place?

I thro not.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

I agree with that.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

How convenient to overlook the real reasons for the Civil War. Its all about Banking. Keep living in darkness


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The Rothschilds and their friends sent in their financial termites to destroy America because it was becoming "prosperous beyond precedent." The first documentable evidence of Rothschild involvement in the financial affairs of the United States came in the late 1820s and early 1830s when the family, through their agent Nicholas Biddie, fought to defeat Andrew Jackson's move to curtail the international bankers.

The Rothschilds lost the first round when in 1832, President Jackson vetoed the move to renew the charter of the 'Bank of the United States' (a central bank controlled by the international bankers). In 1836 the bank went out of business. PLAN OF DESTRUCTION In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overc



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I hope our society can heal itself before it implodes and destroys itself.

I wish people were able to make arguments without resorting to wild, slippery slope fantasies.



posted on Oct, 23 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I hope our society can heal itself before it implodes and destroys itself.

I wish people were able to make arguments without resorting to wild, slippery slope fantasies.


It's all that's left, other than straw men and ad hominen, when all other arguments fail.



posted on Oct, 24 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

The banks were already established in the and throughout the South as they were in the North. That is why they made all banks in their States use confederacy currency. Which at the beginning of the war was worth something but by the time the war ended it was merely paper.

To the victor goes the spoils.

I did mention the bank in an earlier post.
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