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The Devil's promise is a conspiracy.

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posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 09:52 AM
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What will the Devil claim to give you? Everything...

Matt 4:8 shows Satan in his talk with Jesus: "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All of this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."

but everything is not in his authority to give.

He conspires to make you believe that you can have all the things that you want but in reality, anything he gives will leave you empty. Our own wants have a selfish motivation, causing us to worship ourselves in a way and therefore making it easy to give up ourselves to get what we want to those with a tempting offer like the Devil. Don't fall for this trap. Don't want for yourself and you'll be free of having to fight this constant battle of temptation, never being satisfied, hateful competition, and selfishness.




posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 11:05 AM
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I agree with you that giving into temptation will ultimately leave you empty, but I disagree with your premise that the devil does not have authority in this world. The authority does ultimately come from the father but for now the devil does have dominion over the earth and its governments. In the passage you quoted the Devil is tempting Yahushua. It wouldn't have been much of a temptation to offer something that he could not give. Yahushua's answer was not "You do not have authority to give me these kingdoms."

Giving into temptation can yield temporary rewards including political power but it will also rob you of the opportunity to build your character by following our Fathers will.

The real conspiracy is the hiding of the devils power.

Steve


[edit on 2/11/0505 by sntx]



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by sntx
It wouldn't have been much of a temptation to offer something that he could not give.


Do you think the big D may have been lying? It wouldn't the first time for him. Would God let Satan take over if the Son made a wrong decision? Could the son make a wrong decision? This is getting interesting.


Originally posted by sntx
Yahushua's answer was not "You do not have authority to give me these kingdoms."


True, I may have been presumptive. I suppose God could let it happen, but in that case does Satan own it to give it?


Originally posted by sntx
Giving into temptation can yield temporary rewards including political power but it will also rob you of the opportunity to build your character by following our Fathers will.


*nods* Well said!


Originally posted by sntx
The real conspiracy is the hiding of the devils power.

Steve


Ooh, I like this branch of topic even better. My viewpoint aside, can you expand on how/why the devil does this?



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God


Do you think the big D may have been lying? It wouldn't the first time for him.


It is certainly a possibility, but considering who he was talking to, I do not think it is the most likely explanation.


Would God let Satan take over if the Son made a wrong decision? Could the son make a wrong decision?


That is exactly what I think happened when the first Adam decided to disobey the father. That is one of the reasons we needed Yahushua (referred to in scripture as the last Adam 1 Corinthians 15:45 ) to make things right.



True, I may have been presumptive. I suppose God could let it happen, but in that case does Satan own it to give it?


I don't think that satan owns anything, but I do think that he has been given authority over this world (II Cor. 4:4, John 12:31) until Yahushuas return.



Originally posted by sntx
The real conspiracy is the hiding of the devils power.

Steve



Ooh, I like this branch of topic even better. My viewpoint aside, can you expand on how/why the devil does this?


That is an interesting question that leads to many other questions and is something that I am really going to have to think about. My initial thought is that the devil manipulates world events and puts people in power in an effort to rob mankind of the knowledge of our true potential. He convinces us that we have the power to overcome the worlds problems on our own according to our rules and laws. He appeals to our ego and tells us that we are the ultimate authority.

Steve



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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Say Christianity holds a conspiracy and one will get 200+ replies. Saying the Devil holds a conspiracy...silence. Hm, I wonder...


Thanks Steve. I think you've got some good stuff to consider



[edit on 14-2-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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I would like to go one step further and perhaps make you think just a bit

Who is it who ends up ruling anyhow? Who comes back to save us all? Jesus?

So ... what happened? ... doesn't that sound like Jesus followed Satan then?... or are there two paths to the same place? .. or .. or ... or... is it that it's not where you go, it's how you get there?.... Perhaps we assume the wrong things, and forget about asking the real questions...



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 05:18 PM
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Satan is Lord, He is the Almighty!

He is the way to salvation. I love the Devil and faithfully worship him. There is no higher power than Satan. I know this because He lives in me, and He has revealed Himself to me. Ha ha ha ha ha, Satan is the ultimate, he will vanquish all you non-believers...

Seriously, though, I am not a Satanist. My point is that this argument probably sounds extremely outlandish to you. Did you ever consider that you sound similar to other people when you express your beliefs to them? Look, everyone is entitled to worship who or whatever and is free to have discussions, debates, arguments, etc. on the subject. My purpose here is to show you that there are people with different beliefs who feel as strongly about them as you, so you should consider their line of thinking sometimes. I consider all sides of an argument, even if I totally disagree with the person. From what I have seen of some of your posts on other threads, it appears that you do not.



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
Did you ever consider that you sound similar to other people when you express your beliefs to them?


I hope so. I know many servants of God, students of Jesus, who have very similar beliefs. For those who aren't, my hope is they can see the difference.


Originally posted by truthseeka
Look, everyone is entitled to worship who or whatever and is free to have discussions, debates, arguments, etc. on the subject. My purpose here is to show you that there are people with different beliefs who feel as strongly about them as you, so you should consider their line of thinking sometimes.


This isn't news to me, but thanks for the reminder.


Originally posted by truthseeka
I consider all sides of an argument, even if I totally disagree with the person.


I think I do as well.


Originally posted by truthseeka
From what I have seen of some of your posts on other threads, it appears that you do not.


Sure, I'll stand accused. I think it'd be best for a separate thread but here is as good a place as any. For example?



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 09:44 AM
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the real conspiracy is the devil himself.



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 09:47 AM
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I think there is a conspiracy to turn the Conspiracy in Religions thread into a Theology thread.

But that's just me and I'm a misguided unfaithful atheist.



posted on Feb, 15 2005 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by LeftBehind
I think there is a conspiracy to turn the Conspiracy in Religions thread into a Theology thread.

But that's just me and I'm a misguided unfaithful atheist.


It's about the Devil (religion) and his promise being a 'not what it seems' bad deal (conspiracy).

If this thread gets moved, then so should the others like:

Jesus Conspiracy
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is God a Narcissistic Bastard?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Was Jesus a "bastard" blah blah blah, church cover-up yadda yadda?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Satan Wasn't Thrown out of Heaven
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 15-2-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 12:39 AM
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The Lord is the Light as the Devil is the darkness. White Light is all of the colors together as black is the absence of color. God had no master plan for making a dark one of evil.

The word evil and live are inverse for a reason, and the addition of a D was mans inexplanation to a dark life...Devil. Death.

There are only lesser beings of light. Darkenss is the absence of any good and it is a lesser level of you being brought into this world. Should you pass below that threashold, your being is extinguished.

Man needs a Villain. The Devil mane me do it. It was wrought of fear and unknowing. God wants us to have. He just doesnt want us to hoard and oppress and enlsave others to do it. So get over the Devil thing. It was created by man to regulate man. Where does the devil go in the end days?Hell, I bet even GOD would give hime a chance if he changed his evil ways.

BET ON IT



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
The Devil does not exist


He said different when I met him.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
The Lord is the Light as the Devil is the darkness. White Light is all of the colors together as black is the absence of color. God had no master plan for making a dark one of evil.


I trust you don't use the Bible as a source then?


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
The word evil and live are inverse for a reason, and the addition of a D was mans inexplanation to a dark life...Devil. Death.


Looks like a problem with English not religion, but it's been some time since I've looked into etymology so I think it's worthy of research.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
There are only lesser beings of light. Darkenss is the absence of any good and it is a lesser level of you being brought into this world. Should you pass below that threashold, your being is extinguished.


Interesting theory, how'd it come about?


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Man needs a Villain. The Devil mane me do it. It was wrought of fear and unknowing. God wants us to have. He just doesnt want us to hoard and oppress and enlsave others to do it. So get over the Devil thing. It was created by man to regulate man. Where does the devil go in the end days?Hell, I bet even GOD would give hime a chance if he changed his evil ways.

BET ON IT


In the beginning there was no villian (he showed up later in the garden) or fear so I don't know where we have this need for a villian and yet we follow his advice.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 08:25 AM
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Devil is the temptation in a way, as you would do anything for (MONEY' POWER) that is the devil...
religions are: rich and famous
money and power keep you away from god, away from spirituality, away from your higher self. money and power cause: crimes, wars, dangerous, secret societies, cover-ups...........................and so on

The devil is all about money and power and most of the planet is ruled by him...see?

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 08:30 AM
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so is it also a conspiracy when husbands promise to provide for and protect women, if they only submit to them, or when certain church groups promise this power over their wives, if only they follow them?



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
so is it also a conspiracy when husbands promise to provide for and protect women, if they only submit to them,


Not sure I follow. To provide for is to serve, to protect is to serve. Both are submissions.


Originally posted by dawnstar
or when certain church groups promise this power over their wives, if only they follow them?


Hey whoa, church groups should not be promising power to people. They should be pointing up to God and helping your interaction with Him.

[edit on 16-2-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 12:46 PM
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I suppose every inspired book in the bible could be considered theory as my thoughts are also inspired. Im not sure how a man raised as the casual Catholic is coming up with these ideas.

Heres a couple questions to ponder:

If Jesus was in your living room, and you told your friends and neighbors, would they believe you?

If you were inspired by God to create some new scripture that was contrary to early translations and meaning, Would anyone believe it? Would you believe it?

Sacrifice, and temptation are negatives by man. Sacrifice is mans interpretation of not getting. Tempation is desire but not getting.
No where does the lord indicate that want is bad. Want was created when man decided to create money and regulate resources for personal gain.
There would be no want if man would share.

Desire at any cost of another man is not right. If there is one piece of bread for two man, and it is the last, then split it.

I believe the Lord says its ok to want, but dont Hoard, oppress or enslave or elevate yourself above your fellow man to get it.

When man was inspired to write the scriptures, did god get out the yellow marker pen and correct what might have otherwise been bias?

I feel that the mere condition of the ancient scriptures and all of the confusion in the translation, the lost pieces, removed books, angry words, separation of man by faith, elevation of one over the other according to ones knowledge of the Bible, etc etc, Speaks for itself. Its not a living document, it was supposed to be a document about good living. But man blended his culture with the inspiration.

Id offer to the following conclusion:

That damm book has caused more wars in the name of self righteousness, and its time we toss the thing, and get on with being people that God orignally wanted us to be. Loving, sharing, selfless, equal, free, fare, and all of the attributes of being a good person.

I can assure you the Lord has come to me. Man is deaf. Speak to them. Type those words. Write those letters. They are listening. Tell them you know your being monitored. Those that read with their eyes and reason with their heart and have no bias, will be guided by wisdom, and not by a manual. This was the guide that early writings had. It hasnt changed.
I can assure you as God is my witness, change is in the wind as I type.
Look at the small things. Read Desiderata, and try practicing that.

And before you put your fingers to the Keyboard and doubt my validity, ask yourself, is it for you to judge?> Judge not lest ye be judged. For nothing I have written is a judgement. It is a way of being. And that my brothers and sisters, is the difference between what I write, and the inspired writings of the bible. The only religion is Love. God is Love. God loves you. Gos is in all of us. Love one another. Its easy math.

Peace




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[edit on 16-2-2005 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 04:47 PM
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You know saint I gotta give it to you this time I like this subject and quite honestly you said it all so there is nothing to be added but GOOD POST.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by drbryankkruta
You know saint I gotta give it to you this time I like this subject and quite honestly you said it all so there is nothing to be added but GOOD POST.


Thanks doctor!
Much appreciated.



posted on Feb, 17 2005 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I suppose every inspired book in the bible could be considered theory as my thoughts are also inspired. Im not sure how a man raised as the casual Catholic is coming up with these ideas.

Heres a couple questions to ponder:

If Jesus was in your living room, and you told your friends and neighbors, would they believe you?


Probably not. But if you were to tell me Jesus was in your living room, I'd be all ears.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
If you were inspired by God to create some new scripture that was contrary to early translations and meaning, Would anyone believe it? Would you believe it?


Hm, I know that God cannot contradict himself so the suggestion is there is a flaw in scripture. Rather than go through that debate, I'd rather ask if this was your case and what information you'd received.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Sacrifice, and temptation are negatives by man. Sacrifice is mans interpretation of not getting. Tempation is desire but not getting.
No where does the lord indicate that want is bad.


Uhm..."The Lord is my sheppard, I shall not be in want"? Psalms 23. Yes, I know it's a Psalm but the message is consistent with Jesus saying you have to leave your junk behind else you won't get to Heaven and similar things in other places throughout the Book.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Want was created when man decided to create money and regulate resources for personal gain.
There would be no want if man would share.

Desire at any cost of another man is not right. If there is one piece of bread for two man, and it is the last, then split it.


I agree, but do you think socialism is the answer?


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I believe the Lord says its ok to want, but dont Hoard, oppress or enslave or elevate yourself above your fellow man to get it.

When man was inspired to write the scriptures, did god get out the yellow marker pen and correct what might have otherwise been bias?


Why would man write "Don't want stuff". That's very much against our lust for gains.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I feel that the mere condition of the ancient scriptures and all of the confusion in the translation, the lost pieces, removed books, angry words, separation of man by faith, elevation of one over the other according to ones knowledge of the Bible, etc etc, Speaks for itself. Its not a living document, it was supposed to be a document about good living. But man blended his culture with the inspiration.

Id offer to the following conclusion:

That damm book has caused more wars in the name of self righteousness, and its time we toss the thing, and get on with being people that God orignally wanted us to be. Loving, sharing, selfless, equal, free, fare, and all of the attributes of being a good person.


Funny, that's exactly what the Book you want to toss out says to be: loving, sharing, selfless, equal, free, fare, and all of the attributes of being a good person. That was the point of Jesus.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I can assure you the Lord has come to me. Man is deaf. Speak to them. Type those words. Write those letters. They are listening. Tell them you know your being monitored. Those that read with their eyes and reason with their heart and have no bias, will be guided by wisdom, and not by a manual. This was the guide that early writings had. It hasnt changed.


The word of God is unchanging, but not going to go through more quotes you think are not valid. I don't understand why you say the words you type are divinely inspired but the boatload of books (i.e. The Bible), spanning thousands of years that discuss wisdom and the nature of God, are not.


Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I can assure you as God is my witness, change is in the wind as I type.
Look at the small things. Read Desiderata, and try practicing that.

And before you put your fingers to the Keyboard and doubt my validity, ask yourself, is it for you to judge?> Judge not lest ye be judged. For nothing I have written is a judgement. It is a way of being. And that my brothers and sisters, is the difference between what I write, and the inspired writings of the bible. The only religion is Love. God is Love. God loves you. Gos is in all of us. Love one another. Its easy math.

Peace


Looks like we both feel we have God's backing.


[edit on 17-2-2005 by saint4God]



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