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Vegas Shooting: shooters spotted on roof next to stage, Evidence and proof

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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Muzzle flash?..... or camera flash?




posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

I agree. It looks like it could be muzzle flash, camera flash, or even a flashlight. Especially if security went up there with a flashlight (if they thought shooter was on ground) to see if they could find where it was coming from. The one guy definitely looked like he had on a security vest to me (at 3:58 up on building).

However, I think it was a good catch of OP. It just goes to show... EX: I personally had looked at that same video several times and had never seen the guy on the roof. Makes you wonder what else you (me/anyone) miss on these videos by being so caught up in where the camera is looking?



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Check out 3:58 though... that's not the location of the pic you show. At 3:58 on the second video (I posted screenshots above), there is someone on the roof of what looks to be the entrance gate. BUT it does also look to be security - possibly trying to ID where the shots are coming from... Just goes to show what you can miss - even after watching the video several times. It is definitely a person up there because he moves. Again, however, I'm going with security guard trying to spot the shooter because he looks to have a flashlight in his pocket, on, as if he put it in there fast - without turning it off - when he ran to take cover himself.
edit on 20-10-2017 by nicevillegrl because: ETA



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: spy66






Right, i Guess you are a Waste of time to reply from now on then. Jessus i have not seen so many idiots at one Place in my life. But its a publick forum and that explains a lot.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: nicevillegrl

if you go back and look at the his videos and screen shots, my diagram that i posted and the screen shots. you will see there are only two structures that are curved and have lights on them.

plus if you look at the second video that your screen shots come from you will see the coca cola sky boxes that he is standing by while filming. then look at my screen shots of the two people taking a selfie, look behind them.
in the selfie you see the coca cola sky boxes with the red hand, you see the joist of the building and guard rail. it's the same place.




him behind suv at gate 6 notice coca cola sky on left, building on right is curved and has lights on the front.



gate 6 google street view,


i'm sure he is at gate 6 because of the sky boxes and the curved building and if you go to the 4:39 mark in the video, you see the same sign/ maybe different sign in the same spot on the right side as he turns around as in my google shot.



the other curved building is on the other side and it also has sky boxes. but if he was there filming, the sky boxes would have been on his right and the building on his left.

there are no other curved buildings there on the fair grounds.

as i said, people went on top of the roofs to watch the concert, it doesn't surprise me to see people up there during the shooting.

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: spy66



Right, i Guess you are a Waste of time to reply from now on then. Jessus i have not seen so many idiots at one Place in my life. But its a publick forum and that explains a lot.




pardon me i'm not the one going thread to thread posting all kinds of off the wall things about multiple shooters, remote weapons platforms in the tower, snipers in the tower, multiple shooters in the crowd made to look like someone was in the Mandalay firing.

and one of my favorite ones, shooters on the stage firing in the crowd, as if nobody would have seen that and got it documented on film and pointed it out themselves.

i have been very consistent in pointing out that what people are seeing, are things that can be very easily explained if looked at without a tinfoil hat on that's about 4 times to small squeezin out the blood from your head.

better to look at ones self before calling other people idiots.

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ETA: one more thing if you go and look at the stage in some daylight images, you will also see that the back drop is mess, at night it is entirely possible to see lights / flashes thru it at night. the flashes/ lights could also have been crew and or photographers in the back. you know they do that don't you, photographers take pictures for news stories, promotions, crew and or people with the band are back stage and maybe taking personal pituces. and crew may have to move things around that may require a brief light.

what i'm saying it's best to look at the simplest reasons for something first, before making ludicrous claims.

here's one of many if you take time to look for them.

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: spy66



Right, i Guess you are a Waste of time to reply from now on then. Jessus i have not seen so many idiots at one Place in my life. But its a publick forum and that explains a lot.




pardon me i'm not the one going thread to thread posting all kinds of off the wall things about multiple shooters, remote weapons platforms in the tower, snipers in the tower, multiple shooters in the crowd made to look like someone was in the Mandalay firing.

and one of my favorite ones, shooters on the stage firing in the crowd, as if nobody would have seen that and got it documented on film and pointed it out themselves.

i have been very consistent in pointing out that what people are seeing, are things that can be very easily explained if looked at without a tinfoil hat on that's about 4 times to small squeezin out the blood from your head.

better to look at ones self before calling other people idiots.


ETA: one more thing if you go and look at the stage in some daylight images, you will also see that the back drop is mess, at night it is entirely possible to see lights / flashes thru it at night. the flashes/ lights could also have been crew and or photographers in the back. you know they do that don't you, photographers take picture so do crew and crew also move things around.

what i'm saying it's best to look at the simplest reasons for something first, before making ludicrous claims.


One thing I'll add to this is that a certain member who accuses others of being idiots- well, they should probably use spell check in their posts. I'll leave it there.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

well some of us are dyslectic. also i don't hold spellin against anyone. plus studies have shown that most people can tell what a word is suppose to be if the first and last letter are correct. without even realizing that it was spelled wrong.


According to a researcher (sic) at Cambridge University, it doesn't matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only important thing is that the first and last letter be at the right place. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it without problem. This is because the human mind does not read every letter by itself but the word as a whole.
MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit


ETA: i should have said a lot of people instead of most people.


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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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Where is the proof or evidence stated in the subject title?

Pixelated photos at a distance or screen caps of the same that show somethinf vague dont count .

That something could be a light, a shooter , the death star or anything else..

Not a single of the distance shots or screen caps in this thread are clear enough to be called proof or evidence other than by someone that is determined to see what they need to see to fit the narrative they are trying to tell..,



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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in the first video, filmed on the 48th floor above the suspected Paddock in the Mandalay bay, this v


There is no 48th floor.

Does not say much for whoever did the research for this theory.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: KansasGirl

well some of us are dyslectic. also i don't hold spellin against anyone. plus studies have shown that most people can tell what a word is suppose to be if the first and last letter are correct. without even realizing that it was spelled wrong.


According to a researcher (sic) at Cambridge University, it doesn't matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only important thing is that the first and last letter be at the right place. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it without problem. This is because the human mind does not read every letter by itself but the word as a whole.
MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit


ETA: i should have said a lot of people instead of most people.



I get it- and I make plenty of spelling mistakes. It's very easy to do especially if you're typing from a phone. My point was that if someone is going to call people idiots because they are asking questions about his/her theory, then at least get most of your words spelled where they closely resemble real words. But thanks for making me look like an a-hole when really I was backing you up



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: spy66

Were was the crew who worked the stage?
where did they evacuate to?

would they evacuate and hide in one of the trailers parked behind the stage, when there is this kind of hooting going on?

They would fallow some kind of evacuation plan probably, or run for their lives. What kind of plan would that be in a case like this? You have had this as a job. Maybe you can inlighten us.


The reason i ask is because People dont seam to care much about them. Or any of the People who were back stage.

It seams like everyone who was on the stage and behind the stage were safe..... why is that?


It doesn't take a load of people to work the stage. Maybe 1 runner, a couple of tee's on standby, stage manager and a 4 man crew plus a handful of security. They'd have gone backstage, probably somewhere more bullet proof than the trailers. Maybe even out the arena, all dressed in black they would barely be seen. He was allegedly a county fan so it's unlikely he'd hit the band.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: djz3ro

you are correct in fact in some diagrams their listed as VIP area, and gate 2b is the VIP gate.



Always good to hear ha ha, thank you.

Then the approach and access to that platform would be health and safetied to the nines, could be someone went up there and opened fire but it's probably security or crew making sure everyone is out and snapping a quick pic of the chaos



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

43 floors if memory serves.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

my bad, couldn't tell for sure. thought maybe you were coming down on me.

ETA: i see you notices that his spelling is kinda on the ruff side. i started to mention that in my first reply to you. but didn't want to be like, but look at him.


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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: opethPA

If you watch the clear 2nd video at 3:58 and look at the roof, you'll see the clear video of the screen captures I posted - as I stated.

However, I posted those to semi-debunk the thread idea because - the reason I posted the screen captures - was to show it looks like a security guard. I also said it looks like he has a flashlight looking for the shooter. As in - on the roof - doing a job. But yes - when you watch the clear video, there is a person - alone - on that roof at 3:58-4:00.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I still think we are talking about different spots because in the long video at 3:58-4:00, there is a single man up on that roof and right before that, you see some other lit booth off to the left. But I am not sure why you are choosing me to argue with because all I am saying is it looks like a security guard with a flashlight trying to ID the shooter's location while staying down himself.

Here are wider screen captures of that part in the video I'm talking about... But no need to respond, I'm pretty convinced it is just what I think it is as posted right up there. ^^^





posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: nicevillegrl

can't be he never moved far from where he was standing at first during the first four mins of the video.

he is always in sight of the coca cola sky boxes immediately on his left.

if you look at the screen shot the op posted and these. it shows that
there are only two buildings that are curved, the diagram shows the same and the only other building that has any curve on is the box office and that has a fence and tarp around it like the rest of the fence and gates surrounding the whole grounds.




OP's screen shots,


i think this screen shot comes from the same video as the OP's if not looks real close.


if you look there are no other buildings in front of gate six which is right next to the gate and the curved building on the left. on the right hand side of the image.
here is the video it comes from.



also if it was any other building on or near the box office or the other side there would be many more people
in the view. as you see in the very beginning of the video when he pans across, look at the lights on the other side and you can see all the peoples heads.

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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Gotcha. My screenshots were from the second video and that guy goes on the move with the crowd. At 3:58 I actually thought it was the box office that the security guard looking guy was on top of... in either case I think we are agreeing - lol - whoever was on a building had a reason to be there.


a reply to: hounddoghowlie



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: KansasGirl

my bad, couldn't tell for sure. thought maybe you were coming down on me.

ETA: i see you notices that his spelling is kinda on the ruff side. i started to mention that in my first reply to you. but didn't want to be like, but look at him.



I was backing you all the way, darlin.





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