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posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

Since when did I become a socialist exactly??

That's what wrong with this country.

Too many people using labels.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Bone75

Since when did I become a socialist exactly??

That's what wrong with this country.

Too many people using labels.


My bad.

I just realized you're a Californistakian.

Definitely not the same thing.




posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

Maybe I missed it, but nowhere did you mention the word, "Freedom".

Most of the things you listed have a negative impact on an individual's freedom.

The leftists are the biggest anti-freedom gang, but the republicans are also bad.



Why can't I just be free to speak, to kneel, to write, to fly a flag, build a statue, hold a rally, buy a gun, smoke some weed, say a prayer, sing a song or just express myself?


Seems no one wants that any more.





I'm just an old man without a party, with an outdated ideology.

I toast you - one old man without a party and an outdated ideology to another




posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm




Since when did I become a socialist exactly??

Only you can elaborate on that one....no one else can answer for you.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: mhc_70
The dying art of disagreement

I just quoted a small portion, much more at the link.



That was beautiful. Thank you very much.

........

Personally, I think the problem is us. What we currently value and strive for, they use to control us with.

We are not going to change this system by ignoring reality and singing kumbaya. We have started down the dangerous path of policing thoughts and it appears to be having the opposite effect desired, we are sinking lower.

DFN, as you are a self-proclaimed leftest, what do you hope to accomplish with PC and SJW thought? Are you trying to make the world a better place by forcing people to think a certain way? Why do you think we are in this current situation? Do you think it has something to do with the lack of critical thought?



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You might want to listen to this podcast interview of :


In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Cass Sunstein about the fragmentation of American society, “choice architecture,”

the importance of face-to-face interactions for problem solving, group polarization and identity politics,

virtuous extremism, the wisdom of crowds, direct democracy, the limits of free speech,

the process of Presidential impeachment, and other topics.

Cass R. Sunstein is the Robert Walmsley University Professor at Harvard Law School, where he is the founder and director of the Program on Behavioral Economics and Public Policy. He is the most cited law professor in the United States. From 2009 to 2012 he served in the Obama administration as Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. He has testified before congressional committees, been involved in constitution-making and law reform activities in a number of nations, and written many articles and books, including Nudge (with Richard Thaler), #Republic: Divided Democracy in the Age of Social Media, and Impeachment: A Citizen’s Guide.


www.samharris.org...

You will find it very relevant to your questions. It's only about an hour long - rather short by Sam Harris standards but packed tight with information, history, law, and science.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: dfnj2015




1. Government is the problem - Taxes are too high. Too much spending is a waste of money (please specify what spending is too much if this is your choice). We have too many people working in government. Government is too big.

Government but in addition to the context you provided I submit that money in politics is the heart of the problem.
Make all campaigns publicly funded and do not allow elected officials to receive any campaign contributions.
Take the money out of politics and all "special interest" is slain. The money grubbers would leave and those serving would be serving to better the nation not to line their own pockets.


Ah - so you advocate complete publicly funded elections. Wonderful. No private money in elections.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Don't know that I really hate the left and love the right. Both try to tell folks about the collective. Maybe thats it.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: mhc_70
The dying art of disagreement


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Thirty years ago, in 1987, a philosophy professor at the University of Chicago named Allan Bloom — at the time best known for his graceful translations of Plato’s “Republic” and Rousseau’s “Emile” — published a learned polemic about the state of higher education in the United States. It was called “The Closing of the American Mind.”

The book appeared when I was in high school, and I struggled to make my way through a text thick with references to Plato, Weber, Heidegger and Strauss. But I got the gist — and the gist was that I’d better enroll in the University of Chicago and read the great books. That is what I did.

What was it that one learned through a great books curriculum? Certainly not “conservatism” in any contemporary American sense of the term. We were not taught to become American patriots, or religious pietists, or to worship what Rudyard Kipling called “the Gods of the Market Place.” We were not instructed in the evils of Marxism, or the glories of capitalism, or even the superiority of Western civilization.

As I think about it, I’m not sure we were taught anything at all. What we did was read books that raised serious questions about the human condition, and which invited us to attempt to ask serious questions of our own. Education, in this sense, wasn’t a “teaching” with any fixed lesson. It was an exercise in interrogation.

To listen and understand; to question and disagree; to treat no proposition as sacred and no objection as impious; to be willing to entertain unpopular ideas and cultivate the habits of an open mind — this is what I was encouraged to do by my teachers at the University of Chicago.

It’s what used to be called a liberal education.

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That habit was no longer being exercised much 30 years ago. And if you’ve followed the news from American campuses in recent years, things have become a lot worse.

According to a new survey from the Brookings Institution, a plurality of college students today — fully 44 percent — do not believe the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects so-called “hate speech,” when of course it absolutely does. More shockingly, a narrow majority of students — 51 percent — think it is “acceptable” for a student group to shout down a speaker with whom they disagree. An astonishing 20 percent also agree that it’s acceptable to use violence to prevent a speaker from speaking.

These attitudes are being made plain nearly every week on one college campus or another.


I just quoted a small portion, much more at the link.



A good liberal arts education. Liberal, meaning 'broad and comprehensive', covering a variety of arts and sciences, not specialized.

It's sad to say that ideal of the 'liberal arts' education that was the cornerstone of our public school system doesn't exist any longer. Thanks to budget cuts the public schools have become little more then capitalist propaganda mills and private institutions are owned by the wealthy for the wealthy in large part.

The quadrivium and trivium.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Why can't I just be free to speak, to kneel, to write, to fly a flag, build a statue, hold a rally, buy a gun, smoke some weed, say a prayer, sing a song or just express myself?


Seems no one wants that any more.
I'm just an old man without a party, with an outdated ideology.


Nobody is stopping you from any of those things. However, you should expect someone else to say something to you if they don't like.

It's the Conservatives who are against you kneeling and smoking weed.


Free to do whatever you want...

or

Free from the oppression of others ...



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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I don`t agree with the liberal`s economic policies.

the country is 20 trillion in debt and the liberals still want to be giving money to arts and farts programs and public T.V.

if the country was flush with money and running a 20 trillion surplus then fine give away tons of money to arts and T.V but we are 20 trillion in debt and going further in debt every year now is not the time to be pissing money away.

finances aren`t hard it`s just simple adding and subtracting, anyone who can`t add and subtract shouldn`t even be allowed to vote.

I don`t care if a person wants to be personally financially irresponsible and go bankrupt and be homeless, but when financially irresponsible people want to force the country to go bankrupt and force everyone to be homeless, I got a problem with that.
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posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

1. Government. 2. Corporations. 3. The Federal Reserve system. 4. Military spending. 5. Lazy labor. 6. Healthcare system. 7. Gerrymandering. Except for #5, all of those things have one thing in common. Let's see if anyone can guess what, though I'll give a few hints to make this interesting.

First hint. The job of a lobbyist is to persuade lawmakers to pass new laws and to persuade regulators to interpret regulations in a favorable way. But lobbyists don't work for themselves; they're hired to promote specific policies and policy positions. So who hires them? Or to be more blunt, who has the resources to hire the largest lobbying firms at the national level and the relevant State & local lobbyists to persuade politicians at every level of our political system?

Second hint. Politicians who are in power have the ability to create, eliminate, and interpret laws to their advantage. But it's usually very expensive to become a politician that has enough power to make real changes. So who funds those powerful politicians and backs their attempts to maintain power through gerrymandering, changing campaign laws, hiring think tanks to help with their long term strategies, etc?

Third hint. Corporations have no power and shouldn't have any power. They are solely investment vehicles for their owners and investors. In other words, they only exist to serve their owners, and their "leadership" follows the directions of their most powerful investors. So who owns large enough shares in the largest corporations to get them to shape society on their behalf? Note: this includes corporations that are involved in your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th options. Yes, the Federal Reserve system is actually a group of banks that work together like a legal cabal. But those banks are still just corporations that have investors, bondholders, etc.

Your options are basically just symptoms of the problem. As long as the major powerbrokers and large scale investors (like major hedge funds) are around, they'll be able to control every government & industry, regardless of the superficial changes we get elected officials to make. When a company like Pimco has more than $1.6 trillion worth of assets under management, it's hard to believe that elected officials who make $174,000 to $400,000 a year are really in control.
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posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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I have been thinking about this thread today. I also had a very unpleasant experience today that kind of brought the two together.

I had a friend years ago. He was a decent enough guy. Not too bright but always fun to hang around with. He was brilliant with a wrench but lacked what most would call refinement or sophistication in any degree. We lost contact over the years and were recently reacquainted on fb. We are no longer friends and I initiated a civil suit against him today.

This former friend went absolute liberal insane. He didn't just drink the cool aid, he drank everybody's. I could cut and paste some of his posts here but there are people who probably wouldn't believe they are real and I am not going to show the screenshots because it shows his real name. So, I guess all I can do is tell you what trying to talk to him is like.

He will post something along these lines:

Dump Trump yeah you moron loser dumbassses who voted for him yeah i will be the one he does nothing and sits on his ass all day you will be sorry his wife just perms her hair ass sits in the white house doing nothing i hope your insurance is good because he will cancel it good luck dumb ass republicans yeah boy you will see when he what you get for voting for him"

The above represent one of his more intelligent posts. I spelled everything correctly where he would spell cool aid with a 6. He has no concept of punctuation. He cannot form complete sentences. He can not create a cohesive thought and communicate it. My wife read one of this posts and seriously asked if he was retarded. He claims posts like the one shown above are "debate".

One day he went off demanding that people who voted for Trump show him anything Trump has accomplished so far, claiming there was nothing to show. I did some research, showed him the list of things done, and attached the links to the cited references. For three days he continued demanding that someone show him anything Trump has done in office. Numerous people repeatedly pointed out that I had already done that and asked why he didn't answer me. I challenged him to formulate a logical cohesive response with factual data and references. He has ignored that challenge at every turn yet continues to demand someone show him a list of accomplishments. When pressured to respond he attacked me on several topics, the latest of which was to state publicly that I was a deserter from the Army.

I pointed out that A) I was never in the Army. B) I was in the Navy but I have a standard DD214 that says nothing about desertion. I pointed out that he had accused me of a heinous crime on public media and that he was dead wrong in his claim about my military service. He continued making those statements anyway. I hired an attorney to handle this today.

it is this kind of childish gibberish and deplorable nonsense from a blathering idiot that is the problem with this country. I see an awful lot of it. And a good bit of it here. This rabid hate spewing radicalism is the problem. My windshield wipers have scraped more brain cells off my car than this loser will ever have yet he continues acting like he knows everything while continually demonstrating his unquestionable ignorance on virtually any significant subject.

He was actually a half way decent person before he went liberal insane. Now he is just another pos down the street flinging feces and calling it intelligent debate.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus

the country is 20 trillion in debt and the liberals still want to be giving money to arts and farts programs and public T.V.

if the country was flush with money and running a 20 trillion surplus then fine give away tons of money to arts and T.V but we are 20 trillion in debt and going further in debt every year now is not the time to be pissing money away.


Have you checked the debt clock lately?

It says that 18.55 trillion of that is in personal debt.

That can't be right.

Can it?



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

Only you can elaborate on that one....no one else can answer for you.


Oh ok. Well I never said I was a socialist so I'm not. Which is why I never used that label for myself, ever. Others seem to like to throw it around however. Glad to know I get to define myself rather than having others do it for me though.

They should probably stop doing that then.



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Tardacus

the country is 20 trillion in debt and the liberals still want to be giving money to arts and farts programs and public T.V.

if the country was flush with money and running a 20 trillion surplus then fine give away tons of money to arts and T.V but we are 20 trillion in debt and going further in debt every year now is not the time to be pissing money away.


Have you checked the debt clock lately?

It says that 18.55 trillion of that is in personal debt.

That can't be right.

Can it?


That could be my fault. I bought some sugary drinks in Chicago with my credit card...



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
I don`t agree with the liberal`s economic policies.

the country is 20 trillion in debt and the liberals still want to be giving money to arts and farts programs and public T.V.

if the country was flush with money and running a 20 trillion surplus then fine give away tons of money to arts and T.V but we are 20 trillion in debt and going further in debt every year now is not the time to be pissing money away.

finances aren`t hard it`s just simple adding and subtracting, anyone who can`t add and subtract shouldn`t even be allowed to vote.

I don`t care if a person wants to be personally financially irresponsible and go bankrupt and be homeless, but when financially irresponsible people want to force the country to go bankrupt and force everyone to be homeless, I got a problem with that.


Now grasshopper - which political party increases the National Debt:




posted on Oct, 19 2017 @ 12:11 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

And don't forget this from just last month:

Fast forward to President Trump’s Washington, where the budget deficit for this fiscal year is projected to near $700 billion and the federal debt has topped $20 trillion.

A new tax cut is emerging to rival those of the Bush years, and the deficit hawks have hardly peeped.

“It’s a great talking point when you have an administration that’s Democrat-led,” said Representative Mark Walker, Republican of North Carolina and the chairman of the Republican Study Committee, a group of about 150 conservative House members. “It’s a little different now that Republicans have both houses and the administration.”

For years, Republican lawmakers lamented the soaring national debt, pressing for spending cuts and clinging to the mantle of fiscal responsibility. But last week, Senate Republicans hammered out a deal to allow for as much as $1.5 trillion in tax cuts, betting that supercharged growth will make up for lost revenue, a potentially dubious prospect. The tax plan outlined Wednesday by the White House and Republican leaders in the House and Senate could cost more than $2 trillion over the next decade, according to a preliminary estimate by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan advocacy group

With Tax Cuts on the Table, Once-Mighty Deficit Hawks Hardly Chirp



posted on Oct, 19 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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America has two unsavoury parties, both riding the capitalist train and both owned by the richest the country has to offer.
The Republicans like to be the party of hope, yes we will give the rich these tax breaks but hey one day you could be rich and you could benefit one day if you win the lottery while the Democrats push the usual we might tax the rich, but we won't, we're rich you don't expect us to tax ourselves? line.
Republicans tend to trash the economy (see FyreByrds post above) claiming it's as good as it gets while Democrats do the donkey work (pun intended) in stabilising it yet, can't shake off people's hopes they could be millionaires one day, Obama sorts the economy out but the layman sees no benefit, what's the point?

The people of America don't understand healthcare, until you can have a grown up debate without calling private healthcare communist it's never gonna get away from where it is, everyone knows what Republicans branded the ACA and the rest of the world hasn't stopped laughing.

Militarily, well without us Brits or Mexicans and Canadians trying to invade the question may be asked why is it so engorged?
Then again if us Brits aren't hell bent on invading again the question might be asked do the militia still need to be armed.
The two go hand in hand and only one party gets paid by gunmakers, i'll leave you to guess which.

America's problem is that two capitalist, right wing parties only ultimately split over which science should be trusted, which minorities to be accepted and sexes should be allowed to do what doesn't offer much in the 21st century.
While the populace calls the party that allows gays to hold hands left wing, you're not going to get any change from a political dynamic and you know what, that's what the two parties and the people that pay for them want.



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