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FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama admin approved nuclear deal with Moscow

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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

This is just another in a long string of hypocrisies. It seems like every thing the democrats yell and scream about the loudest are the things they are most guilty of. The louder they scream the more guilty they are. When they holler about something listen closely - they are telling you exactly what they are up to.
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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: pavil

Does this mean I loose my token Russian Troll status ?
Does this mean the posters that linked Trump/Russia were actually the real Russian Trolls ?
.....oh what the hay LOLOLOLOLOL



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: Grambler



Yep, you are the person constantly claiming you will wait and see before making decisions, yet here it's already casa closed.


It's not case closed. It appears there is no case to begin with. The OP and it's source are trying to make connections that do not seem to exist.



Despite that here we have dangerous materials being sold with bribery and extortion taking place.


That is not what we have here. It looks like transportation contracts were being skimmed off of.



Despite the fact we know hillary received millions of dollars from the geoups in question.


Please lay it all out for me with all the evidence. Which "American entity" was funneling money to the Clintons?



If you support the trump investigation, why n9t one here?


I support an investigation if there is something to actually investigate.

Is there anything to investigate so far, except for unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?



Or does it need to include urine soaked hookers and Pokemon to be taken serious for you?


Are we here to be honest and look at the facts, or are we here to be a partisan douche?

If it's the latter, you're right on cue.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Somehow you are missing the relativity here but it's due to you being intentionally obtuse. I'm not going to draw the correlation of the application of collusion for you if you can't see its past application relative to Trump. You are being intentionally obtuse simply because you are in denial.

Was D Jr an employee of the federal government when he took that meeting? No? That's right chief. He can meet with anyone he chooses and broke zero legal or moral barriers. Aside from the fact that meeting was already proven to be a poorly set trap by guess who? The liberals. Once again failing miserably and falling flat on their face in weak attempt after weak attempt.

You avoid the fact the FBI did know and don't find it odd they wouldn't investigate? Double standard much?

The Clintons didn't benefit? Ok. Just because you choose to ignore what's been proven doesn't mean it's not real or that it goes away. Remain in denial...I get it's your safe space.


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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: introvert

We know that there was an fbi investigation into this person and companies for bribery and extortion.

We know that as many as nine people in this company gave money to the clinton foundation, up to 140 .million dollars,

We know that the foundation forgot to disclose some of those donations and later had to.

We know that despite the fbi having an informant and documentation proving illegalities in 2009, none of that info was provided to the public or congress, and a deal selling uranium to the criminals was allowed.

Yet somehow this is just a wild conspiracy theory.

This is why so many are losing their credibility. They demand everything having to do with russia be investigated when it includes trump, and yet proven criminals that are extorting and bribing having their companies give millions to hillary who then in return helps sell them uranium is not worth investigating.

Pathetic.
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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: Grambler




This is why so many are losing their credibility. They demand everything having to do with russia be investigated when it includes trump, and yet proven criminals that are extorting and bribing having their companies give millions to hillary who then in return helps sell them uranium is not worth investigating. Pathetic.
But but Pokemon ....just sayin



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



Yep, you are the person constantly claiming you will wait and see before making decisions, yet here it's already casa closed.


It's not case closed. It appears there is no case to begin with. The OP and it's source are trying to make connections that do not seem to exist.



Despite that here we have dangerous materials being sold with bribery and extortion taking place.


That is not what we have here. It looks like transportation contracts were being skimmed off of.



Despite the fact we know hillary received millions of dollars from the geoups in question.


Please lay it all out for me with all the evidence. Which "American entity" was funneling money to the Clintons?



If you support the trump investigation, why n9t one here?


I support an investigation if there is something to actually investigate.

Is there anything to investigate so far, except for unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?



Or does it need to include urine soaked hookers and Pokemon to be taken serious for you?


Are we here to be honest and look at the facts, or are we here to be a partisan douche?

If it's the latter, you're right on cue.


So why did The Hill publish the story if there's nothing here?

Hmmm?



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Grambler




This is why so many are losing their credibility. They demand everything having to do with russia be investigated when it includes trump, and yet proven criminals that are extorting and bribing having their companies give millions to hillary who then in return helps sell them uranium is not worth investigating. Pathetic.
But but Pokemon ....just sayin


Gotta catch'em all.




Unless they are democrats I guess.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



Yep, you are the person constantly claiming you will wait and see before making decisions, yet here it's already casa closed.


It's not case closed. It appears there is no case to begin with. The OP and it's source are trying to make connections that do not seem to exist.



Despite that here we have dangerous materials being sold with bribery and extortion taking place.


That is not what we have here. It looks like transportation contracts were being skimmed off of.



Despite the fact we know hillary received millions of dollars from the geoups in question.


Please lay it all out for me with all the evidence. Which "American entity" was funneling money to the Clintons?



If you support the trump investigation, why n9t one here?


I support an investigation if there is something to actually investigate.

Is there anything to investigate so far, except for unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?



Or does it need to include urine soaked hookers and Pokemon to be taken serious for you?


Are we here to be honest and look at the facts, or are we here to be a partisan douche?

If it's the latter, you're right on cue.


So why did The Hill publish the story if there's nothing here?

Hmmm?


Stop making sense! It interferes with the agenda...



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: Grambler



Yet somehow this is just a wild conspiracy theory.


The way it's been framed, yes. Even yourself in the OP made assertions you cannot provide evidence of.



This is why so many are losing their credibility. They demand everything having to do with russia be investigated when it includes trump, and yet proven criminals that are extorting and bribing having their companies give millions to hillary who then in return helps sell them uranium is not worth investigating.


Actually, this is why so many people laugh and look down on conspiracy theorists. You make absolute statements without the evidence to back it up, and then turn to attack those that ask for real evidence of your claims.



Pathetic.


You aren't kidding.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



Yep, you are the person constantly claiming you will wait and see before making decisions, yet here it's already casa closed.


It's not case closed. It appears there is no case to begin with. The OP and it's source are trying to make connections that do not seem to exist.



Despite that here we have dangerous materials being sold with bribery and extortion taking place.


That is not what we have here. It looks like transportation contracts were being skimmed off of.



Despite the fact we know hillary received millions of dollars from the geoups in question.


Please lay it all out for me with all the evidence. Which "American entity" was funneling money to the Clintons?



If you support the trump investigation, why n9t one here?


I support an investigation if there is something to actually investigate.

Is there anything to investigate so far, except for unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?



Or does it need to include urine soaked hookers and Pokemon to be taken serious for you?


Are we here to be honest and look at the facts, or are we here to be a partisan douche?

If it's the latter, you're right on cue.


So why did The Hill publish the story if there's nothing here?

Hmmm?


Ask them. Fact remains that not all of the pieces are together in order to make any conclusion whatsoever. You need a lot more evidence and info to do so. But it appears many are willing to jump to conclusions, regardless.

Since CNN publishes stuff all the time, should we believe everything they say as well?

Your post is illogical.
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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Every single statement I made in the above post is true.

You chose to ignore them because you are a partisan person.

That's fine.

Was this man under investigation for extortion and bribery when the deal was signed?

Was this info withheld from congress and the public at the time of that deal?

Did people involved with his company give hillary millions?

Did hillary vote to allow the sale?

The answer to all of this is yes.

But to you, this apparently did not warrant an investigation.

So what was it about trump russia collusion that warranted an investigation?

Do we have proof russian state actors gave him millions?

Do we have proof he voted to give them something like uranium or any other blockbuster deal?

No, we just have speculation, and the suggestion that russia is really really bad, but no proof like in Hillary's case.

So if you support the investigation into trump because russia is such a serious matter, why not hillary here?

because you aren't interested in protecting the country from russia, you just pretend that's your reason when it's really to just be a partisan.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: pavil

Does this mean I loose my token Russian Troll status ?
Does this mean the posters that linked Trump/Russia were actually the real Russian Trolls ?
.....oh what the hay LOLOLOLOLOL


You should tighten your tokens, I guess.

Your logic is truly dizzying. $139M to the Clinton Foundation from people related to this transaction and all you can do is laugh. That doesn't seem odd to you? If it's nothing then surely you would not object to further investigation. I mean they aren't going to find any crimes right? Why should the whole Uranium deal not be investigated further? The FBI deemed it worthy of enough things to have them look into it. What did the FBI find in regards to Trump and the Russians?
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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:50 PM
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Re: TENEM/TENEX - Clinton connection:


Russia

In July 2006 Russia and Kazakhstan (Kazatomprom) signed three 50:50 nuclear joint venture agreements totalling US$ 10 billion for new nuclear reactors, uranium production and enrichment.
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The second JV with Tenex, confirmed in 2008, is for extending a small uranium enrichment plant at Angarsk in southern Siberia (this will also be the site of the first international enrichment centre, in which Kazatomprom has a 10% interest). It will eventually be capable of enriching the whole 6000 tonnes of uranium production from Russian mining JVs in Kazakhstan. See Fuel Cycle section below.



Uranium and Nuclear Power in Kazakhstan


Kazatmprom, one year earlier:


Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.
...
Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.


NYT

Someone might be interested in looking a little closer at the first linked article as it also included deals between Kazatomprom, Japan, and china as well. Some of those corporations may be as icky as is TENEM/TENEX.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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So, the Russians were DEFINITELY involved in some bribery and undercover shenanigans
But somehow its its COMPLETELY implausible that Russia tried to influence the election in favor of Trump?

I swear to his supporters even realize how blind and hypocritical they are?



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:57 PM
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Based on the FBI's behavior under Obama, and how they act today being very close to the same, it is easy to conclude that the FBI would have passed this information on to Obama, and knowing Obama, it was his dream type scenario, where he could use the bribery type atmosphere within Russia to forge a typical Obama deal based on the criminal nature of all the parties involved. He likely skimmed some of that cash out for either himself, or friends.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 07:58 PM
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So, is this going to be as far as the news goes?

"Oh, look HRC caught being scummy...again."



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry
So, the Russians were DEFINITELY involved in some bribery and undercover shenanigans
But somehow its its COMPLETELY implausible that Russia tried to influence the election in favor of Trump?

I swear to his supporters even realize how blind and hypocritical they are?


So your take on this is that this shows how corrupt russia is, and they bribed hillary and Obama let this corrupt deal go on......

So shame on trump supporters.

Wow.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry
So, the Russians were DEFINITELY involved in some bribery and undercover shenanigans
But somehow its its COMPLETELY implausible that Russia tried to influence the election in favor of Trump?

I swear to his supporters even realize how blind and hypocritical they are?

And the same people that are holding a well known investigation now are the same ones that sat on an investigation that had real evidence and then kept it under wraps.
Doesn't bother you?
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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
Re: TENEM/TENEX - Clinton connection:


Russia

In July 2006 Russia and Kazakhstan (Kazatomprom) signed three 50:50 nuclear joint venture agreements totalling US$ 10 billion for new nuclear reactors, uranium production and enrichment.
...
The second JV with Tenex, confirmed in 2008, is for extending a small uranium enrichment plant at Angarsk in southern Siberia (this will also be the site of the first international enrichment centre, in which Kazatomprom has a 10% interest). It will eventually be capable of enriching the whole 6000 tonnes of uranium production from Russian mining JVs in Kazakhstan. See Fuel Cycle section below.



Uranium and Nuclear Power in Kazakhstan


Kazatmprom, one year earlier:


Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.
...
Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.


NYT

Someone might be interested in looking a little closer at the first linked article as it also included deals between Kazatomprom, Japan, and china as well. Some of those corporations may be as icky as is TENEM/TENEX.


And Mikerin just happened to be the President of TENAM....GO FIGURE!




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