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The Direct Primary Care Movement: A real solution to our completely unnecessary healthcare crisis.

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:11 PM
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Just cut out the middlemen...especially the government. Leave them in a cold dark corner wearing a dunce hat, and let them think about all the damage they've done. Prices will plummet until supply and demand brings the markets down to an affordable equilibrium. The more rules we have, the more unruly things become. Give doctors and patients the opportunity to build more personal relationships with each other again. Reintroduce symbiosis into the doctor-patient relationship, and scrap the parasitic bureaucratic centralization that crushes hope.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

I can't watch the video at the moment. Is this the rural doctor who doesn't take insurance, just cash in a pay-what-you-can system?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: Look2theSacredHeart

Its actually about a growing group of doctors who are refusing deal with insurance companies. The trend is growing, and they've organized into summits to create a new healthcare business model called the "Direct Primary Care Movement".

The video also briefly explains how third parties allowed prices to go through the roof.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

"Just to make a good business out of it...."

Why are doctors in the healthcare system to make money or to help humanity?
The dude with glasses bobbing his head about is talking like business person, in volume of "customers". Saying that he is taking on to many patients for 'minor' health issues, which can lead to some sort of epidemic of ignoring major issues?

Until, of course, you have a serious medical issue and then that doctor says it's out of their hands and sends you to a specialist who costs thousands of dollars.

the video is extremely misguiding and confusing to be honest.

Here in Canada a single family doctor has the choice to take on as many patients they can handle and have a right to refuse new patients.
i don't think the US has all the quirks worked out, it's still in growing pains, but the doctors in that video are coming across as heartless people to be honest.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Specialists will always be more expensive than family doctors. That's why they're called specialists. They do what family doctors can't do. Its like the difference between getting an oil change and having a transmission rebuilt. Nevertheless, there is no reason why specialists have to be as expensive as they are. The same Direct Care model can introduce cost transparency and competitive pricing into specialized medicine, and most major procedures could be paid off with a small loan rather than costing hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Healthcare is a business, and a good business is symbiotic. It mutually benefits the provider and the patient.

I didn't get the impression that any of those doctors are heartless. Heartless is what happens when you wait 5 hours in the ER lobby and another 3 hours in the examination room only to see the doctor for a total of 15 minutes, with barely enough time to ask questions, and on top of that, being charged $800 for those precious 15 minutes. That is heartless. Heartless must mean something else in Canada.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Capitalism doesn't run rampant here. If it does, it's told to go else where. And we deal with it as a country.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

hahahaha
who else do you tell how much money they can make?
no cap on hockey players up north eh?

this is what happens when crap is "free"
it ceases to have value



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: strongfp

hahahaha
who else do you tell how much money they can make?
no cap on hockey players up north eh?

this is what happens when crap is "free"
it ceases to have value



It's not free.
Stop imagining things. We pay for it, and we ALL benefit from it.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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Why are doctors in the healthcare system to make money or to help humanity? 


your words.....
or did you mean otherwise?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: strongfp

Yep. That's why I'll never step foot in your country.



Then I do not know where you can exist in this world, and what it's inevitably going to become. Canada voted OUT this last election a toxic ideology. And we stand by that decision.

And judging from your track record, you do not agree with the direction the US is going either. So, where will you go?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

I'll go somewhere I can lay low as a minimalist until the socialist cancer causes the superpowers to collapse under the weight of their own regulations. Its going to happen. Systems are crumbling world wide, and its all linked to socialism, centralized bureaucracy, and draconianism. You can only tax the people and bail out the government cronies so much before the cracks become too obvious to ignore. So enjoy your delusion while it lasts, because its all going to come crashing down and everyone well be left totally dumbfounded, wondering what the hell just happened. History repeats itself.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Yea history does repeat itself, from Rome, United Kingdom to Nazi Germany.
Guess what?

Nationalist nations like those fail, hard. And nations like Russia, China, France, are all still alive and well and prospering.
But gee, what nation is starting to fail on the merge of collapse. Russia, because of it's alt right movement.

So, tell me, how does socialism bring forth the downfall of humanity?
Majority of ancient Egypt which prospered for over 3500 years was feudalistic, but also extremely socialist, Rome which was a republic thrived until it was split due to nationalist Catholics. Oh man, I can do on.

Seems to me that alt right is the issue through out humanity, not socialism.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:23 PM
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Nope. Russia is broke. That's why they have their tentacles wrapped around the Trump Admin, and why BRICS is trying to compete with the Petrodollar. They can't take us head on, so they have infiltrated our government. China would go under without the manufacturing demands of the West.

Socialism only thrives in feudalism. And feudalism means no freedom, hope, or future for the commoners.

Nationalism is on the right. Socialism is on the left. Both of those are polarities. Polarization is unstable. I am a libertarian centrist. I don't feel the need to control things. I find that problems have a way of working themselves out if you just let go. Both socialism and nationalism reject that, so I reject polarity.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:28 PM
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Movements like Direct Primary Care are why I want to see the conventional healthcare system to crash. People are so afraid of collapse, but it would create so much opportunity for new growth.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:36 PM
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I know some doctors, they spend quite a bit just having someone doing the insurance billing. Someone has to be trained to do that, there are specific numbers to put on the bill for every procedure. It is making things really complicated which adds a lot of expense.

We have a doctor here who does this, people who seem to go to him get good care. It costs around a hundred bucks a month, and he does free housecalls if needed. He seems to get more people up and running than other doctors, he spends a lot of time discussing what foods people need to avoid to be healthier, educating them to observe how foods effect them. He also evaluates present meds and tries to fix problems with interactions of meds from past doctors. People like him, he seems to make most people better. He also idoes DNA testing so he can evaluate things better. I think that is part of the first year fee. It only costs around two eighty for the full genome testing now, so that is not too expensive for the patient. That testing can help determine lower enzyme production which can determine what foods to lower consumption of.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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I just watched the video. If someone can't afford health insurance, but can pay the $130 @ month membership fee, joining a "Direct Primary Care" physician network is the way to go.

It's too bad they don't scrap that $130@ month fee, and make reduced prices for exams and tests available to everyone. Since most people with health insurance have to pay at least the first $5,000+ in annual medical bills, getting the "Direct Primary Care" price for basic exams and tests would be a big money saver.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

I work in pharmacy, and insurance billing is killing profits. Small independent pharmacies don't last long anymore. If a doctor doesn't write a prescription exactly how the insurance wants it, it gets rejected, and I have to waste my time and the doctor's time seeking an alternate (often suboptimal) therapy to appease the third parties. Medicaid and medicare are by far the worst.

Sounds like a really good doctor. Seems he's focused on attacking disease at its root cause rather than simply managing symptoms for a quick buck. We need more doctors like that.


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