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originally posted by: Unity_99
The agenda behind the thrashing, and the agenda of the one being thrashed are miles apart. I will chose Greer's, because he's on the right side of this issue.
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell
What I’m getting at is If one wants to disseminate something important one might mix some BS with it in order to stay alive.
They wont allow any real messiahs in anything to live long!
That's actually very perceptive. The magicians hold all the cards.
originally posted by: muzzleflash
I have a really nuanced view on this whole subject though:
E.T. is almost certainly real and visiting Earth, but all of the people who discuss E.T. in any depth are generally talking out of their # because they far too often claim specifics that they'd have no way of knowing either way.
originally posted by: beetee
Very will put together and researched as usal.
Well done, sir!
As to the subject matter, I had such high hopes for Greer, once upon a time. I can't really understand how we ended up here.
Anyway, as many stars and flags as possible.
pixeler: "I hope Tom DeLonge doesn't turn in to another Greer. "
originally posted by: OutrageoThe uncomfortable irritant in all this, and the similarities between Greer and others (among as many differentiate variables) is that a pattern is developing:
1. make money doing something else so you don't have to worry about eating/expenses
2. cultivate a personal interest/hobby in the UFO/ET enigma - get absorbed in the topic
3. use your money/influence/contacts to pry a little more info out of the 'inside'
4. develop a plan to "reveal" your 'special knowledge' to the world
5. realize that there is big money to be made in making the 'Truth Be Known" (as you've interpreted it).
6. formulate a plan to reveal your truth (and then some)
7. execute a continuous series of teaser revelations and lots of promises for "Big News".
8. announce that this "Big News" must be revealed in a very special way - and that costs money -lots of it.
9. formally and humbly ask an eager, hungry, enthusiastic public to help finance the revelation
10. continue promising the "Big News" to come in the future, perpetuating the cycle
originally posted by: mirageman
Now talking of the moon....
A UFO intercepting a nuclear missile under test from Vandenburg AF base in 1964 is discussed by Lt Robert Jacobs. The missile was not armed and was merely a dummy. Jacobs was assigned to the test as telescope site commander and claims that when viewing the film later it showed a UFO firing beams of light at the missile under test.
Bob Jacobs tells the same story for CNN
However his tale has been refuted by the project initiator and engineer Kingston A. George on numerous occasions.
........photography showed that the decoys did not deploy properly after the main propulsion phase ended and were surrounded by pieces of Styrofoam packing from their launch tubes. Thus, the “real” warhead, released before the decoys and without the packing, stuck out like a sore thumb.
The Strategic Air Command (SAC) headquarter analysts subsequently recognized this as a shortcoming of a major weapons system and classified the film as top secret. Film footage seen up to the time of this new classification was the origin of Jacobs’s fantasy, as his security level was not high enough to handle the film or talk about it after re-classification. Nor was mine, at that time, but my clearance level was increased very soon thereafter.
Full story & Source : www.csicop.org...
You can, of course, choose who to believe. But if aliens were really after nuclear weapons why bother taking this particular ‘dummy’ one out when over 2,000 nuclear weapons have been tested to date?
Moving on - Bob Salas retells the Malmstrom story of a UFO shutting down missiles.
Salas is another witness who didn’t actually see anything for himself during an alleged UFO incident. He was in a control bunker below ground. He claims UFOs were reported by guards at Malmstrom Air Force in 1967 before the nuclear missiles started shutting down one by one.
The story is disputed to this day but official conclusions were that mechanical failure rather than UFOs caused the missile faults. See: timhebert.blogspot.co.uk...
Salas still has his supporters but the documented evidence does not back him up.
Source : P11 - Sunlite 3-2
And so....it’s good to see Richard Doty return and tell us that aliens were watching the nuclear detonations of WWII and arrived here to figure out what was going on. It is never explained how they detected these explosions, nor where the aliens came from.
originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Jay-morris
oh that's right, i remember your okay with someone trying to promote transparency, openness, disclosure, and get the government to investigate, with flat out lies. please the end doesn't justify the means, it's not ok to fleece people out of their hard earned money. no matter what you want the government to do.
So what if he makes money, so would I, and so would you!
if you would lie about something to make money off of it, your not a very decent person no matter what you say.
three of the things he made money with,
light being 800 a head to look at negatives of a moth.
camping trip in Joshua Tree National Park to take picture of cactus and call them light beings of love.
this is from their site, i like how they all through it use all kinds of jargon to sound scientific throughout the story. there's no way they can know what their saying is true. at best it's just theory, and theory is not fact, until proven and then is often wrong.
Any civilization capable of interstellar travel will have, by definition and requirement, transcended the light barrier and mastered the sciences that allow for dematerialization, re-materialization, teleportation, levitation and, most importantly, the interface between consciousness, thought and technology. Such sciences, while studied extensively within compartmented classified projects by humans, seem mysterious to most people. But they are rather common by extraterrestrial standards.
Encounter at Joshua Tree – Analysis and Photographs
never did find out much people paid to see a invisible space ship, but knowing how greer's work it was a pretty penny.
don't be pointing lasers now. it's dangerous, you might expose his hoaxes.
it's attitudes such as yours, that allow flim flam men such as greer to operate and drag the subject into cesspool of fake encounters, lies, and con men and subjects the matter to ridicule and mockery.
naw, he's just a flim flam man. always has been always will be. he's found him a niche full of gullible people and milking them for every dime he can. but you just keep on supporting a lair,just because you want to believe and want the government to investigate.
.....DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and conclude. That’s what’s wrong with people, they hear or read someone else’s research and lazily take it as reality without in-deph researching..
If one looked deeper one might see other possibilities...
Even if only 1/3 are telling the truth...thats waaay more than enuff for me.
originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: joelr
Jacobs has not been factually debunked.