On scene investigator banned from Mandalay Bay, MGM, for life after he discovered this!

originally posted by: paraphi
As an "independent investigator" he was probably just getting in the way and annoying people. In this case this independent investigator "likes his anonymity" so we don't know who he is, but we know his Twitter name and that shows someone who clearly has an angle.

He probably arrives at every tragedy and gets in the way and upsets victims.

Yup. A bad case of a self proclaimed 'investigator' and self proclaimed 'journalist' acting illegally to make a quick buck out of mass murder and false claims of 'proof'.

originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Curious here, what do you make of the Security guard Campos still being missing in action?

Nothing special.

Been long enough one would think he would at least let someone know he is ok, or still alive.

I'm not his friend or part of his family, so I am not expecting to know what he's doing, in the same way I'm not expecting him to know where I am.

In hiding? In fear of his life? Lord forbid, but already dead maybe?

Maybe just away from the "investigators" that could make his life worse.

It is getting kind of weird with his continued disappearance and total silence on the matter. It is to the point now people are getting concerned for his wellbeing.

Did the police say they don't know where he is?

Only skimmed the first page of this. My quick assessment is some guy got told to stop snooping around and banned because he is a churnalist, making something out of nothing.

The only thing worse is how people on the internet pick op and run wth it, like oooh... no evidence, evidence. The linked article in the OP is attention whoring.

In my opinion

a reply to: MrBlaq

Someone already called you out on the roman candle bullets, and I don't want to pile on, but the rest of your gun facts are questionable too.

Are you talking about the guns lying on and around those chairs? They're dark colored, there's no way you could see the tiny amount of residue on the outside, the inside is a different matter but that can't be seen, for obvious reasons.

And I'm not sure about the shell casings, depends on what the carpet is made of. If they where lying in a drove on the floor next to where they were shot, then it's also likely that the shooter would have ended up kicking some away from their original resting place.

a reply to: pravdaseeker

You have someone walking around taking pictures of security in the hotel and you are surprised they booted him? Rule number one in security dont let people know what you can do it allows people to game the system.

originally posted by: pravdaseeker

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And as far as I know Campo's has still "left the building"... whereabouts unknown..

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Is there any real, tangible footage of this Campos? Does he even exist?

If all that exists are some weird, "Photoshopesque" pictures of him and nobody's ever spoken a word with him, etc., he may very well be a pure fabrication.

Sounds... impossible, doesn't it - but I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

You have someone walking around taking pictures of security in the hotel and you are surprised they booted him?

Hello dragonridr, No I am not at all surprised he got booted from the place.
In fact, if it was my hotel, and given what has just happened; you bet, he would out of there by police escort, ID taken, photo, etc.

But that is not the point of the information that is provided at the link.

The information given, if truthful, and accurately portrayed per linked info.... then it is very serious evidence that we are/have been being lied to? Tie this information into the multiple witness reports, etc. That was the point of the information...

I don't think anyone really is surprised that he got 86'ed from the joint.

The alleged evidence he provides casts serious doubts on the line we have been getting fed by MSM, and before this terrible tragedy gets whitewashed; all leads need serious aggressive investigating. (Which they allegedly/probably are doing)

If they are only trying to tie the loose ends up on a set in stone "lone shooter", and maybe ignoring hard conflicting "other evidence"; there will be a big problem with that, and with the people of the USA for a very long time to come.

For once, in these series of disasters that seem to get bigger every time, just once, they need to listen to the people, and aggressively pursue other shooters, and even some alphabet agency involvement???? Let's be honest, there is a strong solid theory on possible gun running going on too.

What better place to do a gun deal, than during a big concert outside, and all hotel security concentrating on that going on, and people coming and going too. Worrying about what be going on in the top floors in a closed door hotel room will the last of their concerns. Just a theory, but just as plausible, in fact "more" plausible than the horse poo we have gotten so far.

So mate, not surprised he got booted.. it's all the supportive evidence that backs up a lot of online discussions about this tragedy, and how not much is adding up for most folks.

Thanks for your input, but I think you missed the point perhaps? Could be mistaken, and I read your words wrong and got the wrong impression? So maybe didn't miss the point of the information at the link?

Thanks for your input.

Pravdaseeker









a reply to: dragonridr

There were cameras all over the place for 9/11 also. Now what was on those tapes that the alphabet agencies rounded up.

The same people are probably making absolutely sure they can keep this under control. So, yeah, a bunch of cameras but we have to wait for them to make their version that will pass the scrutiny of an increasingly wary public.

originally posted by: casijones
a reply to: pravdaseeker

I was in LV 4 days after it all happened. First time there on the strip, and after I can tell you it would be absolutely impossible to not be seen. There are cameras literally everywhere, hidden and otherwise. Also, it's perpetually saturday night on the strip. There's no down time. There's constant traffic, constant people 24/7.
Someone or some camera saw something. Now it's just finding them.

Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Greetings Uberdoubter, I can understand your "frustration" ..

Does he even exist?

If all that exists are some weird, "Photoshopesque" pictures of him and nobody's ever spoken a word with him, etc., he may very well be a pure fabrication.

Nah, he exists... just seems to have gone underground. For what reason is anybody's guess I suppose. But the longer he stays disappeared the more and more things look even more "wonky" and, sorry, but "suspect" in my, and many other peoples opinions.

The question is the security guard really who he was supposed to be? It could be a dreamer immigrant? , got a job, afraid he'd get caught? Who knows really... but because of his documented hasty leaving the building, he exists. And it's just adds to the questionable nature of the entire story we been getting all along.

When you mentioned you wouldn't be surprised by anything.. Those words might wind up being an understatement someday.

If there was some alphabet agency stuff going on; then this guys life could be in great danger too.. Or Lord forbid, he might have already been eliminated. The alphabet boys and girls can and do play for keeps sometimes, if "national security" or an agenda being fulfilled is deemed important enough. I am "not" saying that is what did happen, but many other real investigators have weighed in on this tragedy, and come to similar conclusions as the supposed crazy conspiracy theorists..

So, there you go mate. It is wonky, and stinky, so far.

Yes, it is frustrating.. I sensed ironic astonishment in your post their mate. And I can relate to it.

It continues to be very frustrating, probably even more so for the poor LVPD trying to unravel this tragedy. It does seem like the LVPD commander, or leader has been given a narrative to follow, and is being instructed what to say, etc. My opinion only.

Let us hope we find the real truth in all matters concerning this tragedy. The survivors and families deserve that I think.

Again, thanks for your input on this thread... let's all hang in there for true justice in all manner.

Pravdaseeker

a reply to: Uberdoubter

originally posted by: pravdaseeker
The information given, if truthful, and accurately portrayed per linked info.... then it is very serious evidence that we are/have been being lied to?

Could you make a list of those supposed lies and who told them? I like to see the data in front of me.

Thanks in advance.

The alleged evidence he provides casts serious doubts on the line we have been getting fed by MSM, and before this terrible tragedy gets whitewashed; all leads need serious aggressive investigating. (Which they allegedly/probably are doing)

The MSM, like this supposed investigator, can say whatever they want, they are under no obligation to tell the truth, at most they may be prosecuted by defamation or slander, but never for publishing things that are not true.

For once, in these series of disasters that seem to get bigger every time, just once, they need to listen to the people, and aggressively pursue other shooters, and even some alphabet agency involvement???? Let's be honest, there is a strong solid theory on possible gun running going on too.

I see two possibilities: there are alphabet agencies involved or there aren't any alphabet agencies involved. If there are then are probably pressing the police/FBI, so the police/FBI knows they are behind it but can't do a thing about it, except expose it all. If there aren't any agencies involved then there's no reason for the police/FBI looking into all the possibilities, and the fact that we don't know what they are doing doesn't mean they aren't doing it, it just means we don't know about it.

What better place to do a gun deal, than during a big concert outside, and all hotel security concentrating on that going on, and people coming and going too. Worrying about what be going on in the top floors in a closed door hotel room will the last of their concerns. Just a theory, but just as plausible, in fact "more" plausible than the horse poo we have gotten so far.

What about a place with no security, on a place with easy escape (instead of 32nd floor)? I'm sure a big city in the desert has better places for that kind of transaction, specially if there was any alphabet agency involved.

I'm sue others have pointed out, but that journalists Twitter pictures are gone.....
I don't think TPTB even care how obvious this all is...

Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Hello again ArMaP,

Could you make a list of those supposed lies and who told them? I like to see the data in front of me.

Thanks in advance.

Well mate, I reckon you have been following most of these threads concerning this tragedy. Being a moderator and all.

So, really, I think you are already aware of the numerous anomalies and wonky things coming out in the news, and other sources.

So, pardon me please, but I won't be putting that list together for you. Nor, will I be searching for who said them...maybe another poster might, by reading all the input to this thread you should get a good starting list. I will throw another youtube up for you though, about the Australian man and his eye witness report.

The MSM, like this supposed investigator, can say whatever they want, they are under no obligation to tell the truth, at most they may be prosecuted by defamation or slander, but never for publishing things that are not true.

That seems to be the super concern for most citizens, for quite some time now, say 20 years or more. Real journalism died with JFK apparently basically. Or died on 9-11 for certain. It has also been quite obvious since Trump got elected too, with how the MSM has lost all credibility really. It also highlights why I do not live there anymore, and have chosen Australia as my homeland now.

Thank God, this kind of stuff doesn't happen in Australia, at least yet anyhow. God please forbid anything like this from happening in Australia. Or any other place really.

I see two possibilities: there are alphabet agencies involved or there aren't any alphabet agencies involved. If there are then are probably pressing the police/FBI, so the police/FBI knows they are behind it but can't do a thing about it, except expose it all. If there aren't any agencies involved then there's no reason for the police/FBI looking into all the possibilities, and the fact that we don't know what they are doing doesn't mean they aren't doing it, it just means we don't know about it.

Precisely there mate. if the local cops "know" that something nefarious has gone down, but are not able to do anything about it, could be from something like getting "read the riot act" type thing, and told to cool it for some national security thing. In other words; not allowed to tell about it..and threatened if they "did" expose it all. That is a sincere concern if something alphabet-wise did occur.

If something went wonky, or "live", then we will probably never know the truth.

I can't help but wonder about your intent here with this post of yours, but oh well it is what it is. I get the feeling you may think theories other than the official narrative are what? Wrong? Or something else?

Perhaps I am also mistaken, if so, I apologise for taking your input incorrectly. The other readers will get what they get out of it too... so thank you for your input again.

Here is a video that also refutes much of the official narrative as well, and exposes lies, from the authorities and MSM.

Yeah, it is a long one, but you wanted that bloody list, this man makes a list of "anomolies" and etc., which certainly point out that the authorities are lying, and lies by censoring of info, and so far they are sticking to the lone wolf line of horse poo.

I and so many others, do not buy this line they are feeding us. A lot of things are missing, and do not compute at all.



Pravdaseeker






a reply to: ArMaP

a reply to: fleabit

Stairs really mean nothing when in reality every exit/entrance is monitored. However the guns were to be in his room you can bet your life savings it's on video somewhere. I am sure the video would be out right now if it was him carrying the guns. Why else hold onto this stuff. You would think the authorities would want to squash this right now before their credibility evaporates even with sheep that follow msm to a t.

originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Well mate, I reckon you have been following most of these threads concerning this tragedy. Being a moderator and all.

So, really, I think you are already aware of the numerous anomalies and wonky things coming out in the news, and other sources.

I have been following this the best I can, but I have a life outside ATS, so I haven't dedicated as much time to this as many other members have.

Also, if I knew what other people are saying are lies I wouldn't ask for it, as I only ask for things I do not have, otherwise I would be making other people waste their time.

So, pardon me please, but I won't be putting that list together for you. Nor, will I be searching for who said them...maybe another poster might, by reading all the input to this thread you should get a good starting list.

I read all this thread and found nothing clear, only accusations and innuendos. I want facts.

I will throw another youtube up for you though, about the Australian man and his eye witness report.

A video of an anonymous person talking (although it sounds more like Dr. Phibes) about a witness is not a witness report, it's second hand information, and it may tell more about the intentions of the person that made the video than what the witnessed said.

Precisely there mate. if the local cops "know" that something nefarious has gone down, but are not able to do anything about it, could be from something like getting "read the riot act" type thing, and told to cool it for some national security thing. In other words; not allowed to tell about it..and threatened if they "did" expose it all. That is a sincere concern if something alphabet-wise did occur.

If. My problem is that most people are acting as if we are talking about known things instead of speculation.
Speculation is good, as long as you do not treat it as facts.

I can't help but wonder about your intent here with this post of yours, but oh well it is what it is. I get the feeling you may think theories other than the official narrative are what? Wrong? Or something else?

My intention is trying to understand what really happened, not what people think happened. Theories are good when based on real facts, otherwise they are just wishful thinking.

Yeah, it is a long one, but you wanted that bloody list, this man makes a list of "anomolies" and etc., which certainly point out that the authorities are lying, and lies by censoring of info, and so far they are sticking to the lone wolf line of horse poo.

I don't like videos, they are most of the time just a waste of time, and a 2 hours video in which nothing happens during the first 1:40 minutes is not what I want. After wasting 9 minutes watching the video I have yet to see a thing that couldn't have been written in just one sentence.

I'm seriously tired of people trying to be next big thing on YouTube.

I and so many others, do not buy this line they are feeding us. A lot of things are missing, and do not compute at all.

I agree that there are lots of missing things, but that's not the same as lies. And I have no reason to believe some guy on YouTube just because he

Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Hello again ArMaP, thanks for the clarifications on your viewpoint.

Well, one thing is now apparently known..

The missing security guard will now be on Ellen show.... so at least he isn't pushing up daisies somewhere.

Held out for the highest bidder???

Waiting for it to be a political hit job of some sort now... some anti-gun spiel, or the need for a million Chertoff owned scanners placed in numerous venues.. sports stadiums, churches, schools, trains, malls, etc.

I am glad the man isn't hurt or something like that. The disappearance and now popping up on ellen show hints at political manoeuvring in my opinion. But will wait to see the video of course.

Will just need a barf bag to put up with ellen.

Pravdaseeker




a reply to: ArMaP

Camposa appeared on Ellen Sow today with an "engineer" from Mandaly who claims he was also shot. Sorry O don't have the link, but the clips are already on news....

a reply to: EternalShadow Yes we are in real big trouble if people don't wake up. This NWO cabal is ruthless and is here to confuse, torture , starve, poison and lie to us. I can't see them being this sloppy but it could be on purpose. Many people are waking up and its about time.

a reply to: Zoyd23

I don't think the maintenance engineer has ever claimed he was shot. He said he would have been shot had Campos not shouted at him to duck

a reply to: Cutepants


How much brass do you suppose would have been there?

Were we ever told exactly which round was being fired or how many rounds were fired?

About 550 casualties would require that many rounds, assuming 100% efficiency. Not only was he good, he was damn good, bump stock and all.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Cutepants


How much brass do you suppose would have been there?

Were we ever told exactly which round was being fired or how many rounds were fired?

About 550 casualties would require that many rounds, assuming 100% efficiency. Not only was he good, he was damn good, bump stock and all.

According to the official story, 200 rounds into the hallways