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On scene investigator banned from Mandalay Bay, MGM, for life after he discovered this!

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 05:57 AM
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Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Thanks TrueBrit...




First of all, its not LEGAL stuff that needs to happen. Its scientific stuff, lab work and field forensics, you understand?


Really, I do understand, and did the first time...

Since you are the UK dude here... maybe "you" got the Sherlock Holmes blood in the veins??? Ha! Again good points..

The example you gave quite valid, and you forgot to mention it could have been the butler, in the Conservatory, with the candlestick, who got the hypothetical dirty deed done.

You make valid points, but the official narrative already seems to be a done deal... and as you mentioned perhaps even more indicative of a cover-up of sorts.

Ah well, lets hope the public and families get answers sooner rather than later in life, as in years.

Again, thank you for clarifying your points.. well done mate.

Pravdaseeker





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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: pravdaseeker

With regard to the official story, its a story so far, and I have not heard anything from the police at this time, which makes me think that they have arrived at anything remotely like a firm awareness of the how. They know the what, the when, the where, and at least one who, but having watched all the announcements so far, I am not under the impression that they have limited themselves to one suspect. I think the phrase due diligence comes into play here.




posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

you know most times i don't even read your posts, and if i do well...
but if i could i'd give you more than one star on this one i would.

it's like people have lost all common sense. coming up with some of the most ludicrous scenarios.
fbi sting, gun grab, weapons deal, rwp(remote weapons platform), something launched from the top of the towers, helicopter sniper, shooters on the grounds, weapons deal gone bad, you name it and someone has already floated it and swears it's the truth. and state them as if they are fact. it's like they want it to be true.

how sad must their lives must be to want this to be the truth. just because you can't understand how or why something happened, doesn't mean it's a conspricy.



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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: pravdaseeker

By "official narrative" you mean that it was the work of a single crazy and not some twisted plot by the government? Because that latter "narrative" is the one that "independent investigators" always seem to "uncover."



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:26 AM
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Dear STA Readers, Writers,




By "official narrative" you mean that it was the work of a single crazy and not some twisted plot by the government? Because that latter "narrative" is the one that "independent investigators" always seem to "uncover."


What I am swayed into thinking is more accurate so far is:

The eyewitnesses, victims, who said there were people shooting them from close by... the other gun muzzle flashes seen and filmed, the extreme lack of spent shell casings, and multiple reports and articles similar to the in the OP make a lot more sense than the official narrative.

And yes, terrible things have been done by governments before. Terrible things have been done by USA government groups in the past. Fast and Furious for one sad example.

I would be willing to bet that if the medical records were examined and surgeons asked:

Did ANY of the bullet wounds, from any victim indicate a bullet coming from a level plane, and "not" from a long distance highly elevated trajectory?

I will bet some don't fit the elevated shooting point as far as entry and exit wounds. Just speculation, but would not be surprised to see reports of this anomaly as well in the near future.

And I am sorry if you don't see a great revolutionary movement going on within the USA, enough to think that something like another alternative theory narrative is a silly thought or conclusion? Reichstag Fire.... type of thing is possible. This leftist putsch going on in the USA is something far different than anything in USA's history. That topic is another thread I reckon..

And the fact that multiple professional investigators are saying everything stinks too, and points to cover-ups going on...many of these aren't your run of the mill mom's basement hiding conspiracy nuts...they are professional investigators and retired policemen, etc who are saying something fishy happened.

Anyhow thanks for your input and thoughts.

Pravdaseeker

a reply to: DJW001



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:29 AM
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you know most times i don't even read your posts, and if i do well... but if i could i'd give you more than one star on this one i would. it's like people have lost all common sense. coming up with some of the most lubricious scenarios. fbi sting, gun grab, weapons deal, rwp(remote weapons platform), something launched from the top of the towers, helicopter sniper, shooters on the grounds, weapons deal gone bad, you name it and someone has already floated it and swears it's the truth. and state them as if they are fact. it's like they want it to be true. how sad must there lives be to want this to be the truth. just because you can't understand how or why something happened, doesn't mean it's a conspricy.


Would you be so kind as to help my common sense in
reference to the following?

#1 None of those weapons in the pictures
shown inside of the hotel room have been fired.
Simply look at the end of the barrel, where
there should be residue from smoke/heat,
there's nothing but a clean barrel.

Anyone that's fired such weapons would
know on full auto there should be burn
marks on the rug from the shell casings.

Not to mention on full auto the rounds
fired would have lit up across the sky
like roman candles.

#2 The unique lithium battery found inside the hotel
room in question was linked to John Beilman. Shortly after
which the FBI raided his home on Oct 4th under a secret
US Federal Court warrant. Then less than 12 hours later Mr Beilman
decides to wheel his severely disabled daughter in the
backyard where he summarily executes her. Then turning
the shotgun upon himself decides he's ready to enter the afterlife.

I wont cloud your critical thinking skills
in providing me a detailed level of common sense
with the arrest of Mr Paddocks so called accomplishes
Timothy Bates and Scott Edmisten, nor the dozens
of eye witness testimony who were on the scene.

waits patiently for you to help our common sense...



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: MrBlaq



Would you be so kind as to help my common sense in
reference to the following?

#1 None of those weapons in the pictures
shown inside of the hotel room have been fired.
Simply look at the end of the barrel, where
there should be residue from smoke/heat,
there's nothing but a clean barrel.

There is no way to know that, unless you examined them yourself, close up. Black guns, and black residue. These things do not show up well in the lighting conditions prevalent, in any of the photographs I have seen from the scene so far.



Anyone that's fired such weapons would
know on full auto there should be burn
marks on the rug from the shell casings.

Have you seen a photograph of the entire scene, shot at high resolution? If so, care to embed it so that we can all see it?


Not to mention on full auto the rounds
fired would have lit up across the sky
like roman candles.

If they were tracer rounds, sure. But I would question the idea that non-tracer ammunition lights up as it travels through the air.


#2 The unique lithium battery found inside the hotel
room in question was linked to John Beilman. Shortly after
which the FBI raided his home on Oct 4th under a secret
US Federal Court warrant. Then less than 12 hours later Mr Beilman
decides to wheel his severely disabled daughter in the
backyard where he summarily executes her. Then turning
the shotgun upon himself decides he's ready to enter the afterlife.

www.snopes.com...


I wont cloud your critical thinking skills
in providing me a detailed level of common sense
with the arrest of Mr Paddocks so called accomplishes
Timothy Bates and Scott Edmisten, nor the dozens
of eye witness testimony who were on the scene.

waits patiently for you to help our common sense...



Speaking of common sense, Sorcha Faal is the source of much of this speculation. You know what that means, I am assuming?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:50 AM
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a reply to: MrBlaq

You are correct. My husband shot his semi auto 20 clips down at the indoor range. He quick triggered it into sounding like he had a machine gun as 'guys' will do. He wasnt trying to hit the target, just make alot of noise!

The barrel became red hot. He thought he waited long enough and set it in the case...the casing immediately began to Melt! He had to wait an extra 30 minutes for it to be cool enough to set down in the case.

Edit add: looking back at the photos...this may explain why 2 of the guns are laid on top of each other with the barrels in the air in that oval tub. The other two on the floor could be the 2 guns that jammed and he simply tossed aside.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

As a firearms enthusiast and police officer I agree with your post TrueBrit.

To add, wasn't there over 20 weapons in the room?

Surely, he didn't fire every single weapon.

If there does happen to be a weapon in a picture that doesn't "appear" to have been fired, perhaps it wasn't.

Again to reiterate, it is extremely difficult to tell if a gun was fired by looking at a picture that is poor in quality.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:03 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Sillyolme

Silly, look at it this way.....

A man in his early 60s, very wealthy, no criminal record other than, I think, a traffic ticket, no record at all of being a danger to himself or others, a pretty happy guy all around, suddenly decides to haul 20 weapons, some of them full auto, to the top of a hotel and open fire on innocent people. NO ONE who knew him saw anything that would make them think he's off the rails. NO indications that his mental health was other than normal.
Eye witness accounts agree with each other, but not the official story.
No cameras? BS. Vegas is covered with cameras. The floor of the casino, elevators, stairs, bars, restaurants, it's impossible to move around without being seen on at least a few, but no one sees a guy hauling God knows how many heavy suitcases? Back and forth, trip after trip and no cameras see it, no employee offers to help?

uhhuh. Right.
I haven't kept up with most of this and even I know something stinks.


Two AR-15's, disabled, easily fit in a suit case and weigh about 8 lbs each. It's very common to see people all over a hotel pulling a suitcase on wheels, some nearly as large as a trunk. I do it all the time as I travel. He had plenty of time to make a few trips to his car. A smart man would tip the bellman to bring them up for him.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: TorqueyThePig

The thinking is that he did not use all the weapons which were present in the room, at least, that is what I last heard. So it makes sense that some of the barrels would have been unmarred by GSR.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: MrBlaq




I wont cloud your critical thinking skills in providing me a detailed level of common sense with the arrest of Mr Paddocks so called accomplishes Timothy Bates and Scott Edmisten, nor the dozens of eye witness testimony who were on the scene. waits patiently for you to help our common sense...


i'm not going to say much about your critical thinking skills .
other than say that the John Beilman story originated at What Does It Mean, and Sorcha Faal.
and if you have learned any thing here at ATS, you should know what and who that is and that any thing that comes from there is BS.

that alone makes me think that you might want to brush up on yours.


The Beilman-Las Vegas connection appears to have originated on a website called WhatDoesItMean.com in a report dated Oct. 7 under the bizarre byline of “Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers.”
There's no Las Vegas link to Fairport murder-suicide


hows that for common sense?
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
They can't ALL be false flags can they?



Nope.

Just sayin.

You guys do the same exact thing every single time there's a shooter.

Every single blessed time.

It's pathetic.


Why do you even post here Silly?? Serious question...

You wouldn't sign up for a forum about F1 and post "all you guys ever talk about is cars, it's pathetic" would you?

Each to their own I guess!!



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

Well, that is some serious backwards logic Dem0nc1eaner.

By this measure you are applying, all UFO are alien craft, all alien encounters happened, all conspiracies, even the ones which are proven hoaxes, are automatically real now.

Honestly, just what the hell are you trying to say? Critical thinking does not mean blind acceptance of every other crackpot, poorly worded, badly spelled diatribe, dressed up as an alternative theory of events. It means having an open mind, and a well tuned BS detector, and working both at the same time, giving neither an advantage in ones own mind.

What the hell method are you applying?

ETA:

This website, the discussions held here, benefit from people being unwilling to blindly accept either the official line on a given event, or the waffling prattle of those who invent narratives to fit what they know, without the evidence necessary to back them up.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:35 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Here's a decent photo for your observation.
www.mrblaq.net...

In my experience that weapon is sterile. (clean)

As the photo indicates below, I've always
wondered why some fail to believe
statements made by past leaders
of U.S. clandestine services.

I for one accept their statements as true.

www.mrblaq.net...

Be adviced, these pics will be removed
from my servers within 24 hours. (smile)


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Hey there hound dog..YEP..

I concur on your assessment of the Sorcha site.

I have yet to read anything there that turned out true.

Very unreliable, and dodgy as a nervous lizard on a busy highway.

Thanks for that input...

Pravdaseeker

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

I wonder why people like you even spend time on conspiracy sites?
Like 90% trolling.
i respect that.
But neither do you add anything of substance to the conversation



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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I'll change my statements, to avoid
any form of mind games. (smiles)

One of the elements of societal
credulity is too many never read
anything outside of entertainment/TV

Be different.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: dashen

do you see what i see, could we have a sock puppet or did you click the wrong member and then change it?


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie

i love silly things,
and silly members,
and silly trolls,
but make sense sometimes sheesh



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