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Honors student outs herself as Athiest, kisses her honors good bye

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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Kind of a stupid sounding thing but something that is recorded in the scientific literature ...go figure eh .




posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

You are sorely mistaken.


Because as an atheist they do not want religion discussed openly in front of them so they should do the same,


No, they don't want religion—any religion—promoted or endorsed by government or an institution thereof, or backlash upon failure to believe or adherence to imposed religious principles. You know, separation of church and state and all?


they should do the same, not express their atheism in a public school


It's called the right to speech—free expression—by an individual, whether religious or not, as long as not promoted or endorsed in an official capacity of the above.
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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:45 PM
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even if she was a big mouthed jerky genius in the classroom, that would be reason for disciplinary actions and not a reason to change her grades!!!
but, just going by what is available at the present about this, I don't think it was her mouth while she was at school they were having a problem with as much as what she was doing outside of the school..




In 2014, Fisk expressed opposition to a proposed local measure to grant “personhood” to fetuses by speaking out and wearing a costume, along with other students. During a reprimand in front of classmates, a teacher allegedly told Fisk, “God gave babies life and abortion is murder.”

In her 2015-16 senior year, Fisk says she “came out” as an atheist. She spoke and wrote critically of the school’s practices, including what was allegedly an overtly Christian, abstinence-only sex education course. In the spring of 2016, she gave an interview with a local newspaper about the school district, including the bibles being handed out at the middle school. Her complaint says that people issued death threats against her online, and when she notified the school, they did nothing.

Not only that, Fisk says that the teacher for Student Government lowered her grade from a 98 to a 70, and after the local article came out, and F. When Fisk discussed this change with faculty, she was allegedly told it was due to her “questioning of authority,” specifically of the religious variety, and that she should “shut up” if she wants her grades to go back up. Certain grades were raised after Fisk’s parents complained, the lawsuit says.

lawnewz.com...


kind of sounds to me they were more upset when she took her concerns to the public where state and federal officials might see and want to check out.

here's another article that mentions some of her actions that cause the school to respond:

www.denverpost.com...




Senior Cidney Fisk sat through both the boys and girls presentations at Delta High School because she was covering it for the student magazine, Paw Print. Fisk, who is 18 and has attended school in Delta since fourth grade, said she noticed a religious tone to the presentation.

“On every slide, there was a crucifix,” she said. “And she mentioned briefly that having sex before marriage made you further from God.”

Indeed, photos provided by Fisk show a cross on the slides, as part of the logo for Donahue’s ministry, in which the “t” in “Tall Truth: Sexuality Education Rooted in Truth” is a cross.

“She talked about being subservient to your husband and your future partner, and the reason women shouldn’t have sex before marriage was that they should be respectful of their husband,” she said.

Fisk said aside from the religious overtones, she and other students found the presentation to be hetero-normative, meaning that it didn’t apply to LGBTQ students or consider variables in sexuality or gender identity, and that it was assumed the audience would be straight males and females who intended to marry.

“I think we can stand as a district that we do believe that way,” said Clay, but noted that he found the main message to be that students should think about choices prior to making them, and consider the consequences. “Do I stand by that? Absolutely,” he said.

Clay said he attended the presentation for boys given at Paonia High School, and that he found nothing religious about the assembly. When asked about the crosses on the Powerpoint slides, he said he didn’t see that.

“I’m not saying it wasn’t there, I’m saying I didn’t notice it,” he said.

Students who did not want to participate in the assembly could opt out by having a parent or guardian sign a permission form and returning it to the school. This practice of requiring permission to abstain is standard, Clay said, while other activities such as field trips require a signed permission slip to participate. Clay did not know how many students opted out of the presentation.

Donahue’s presentation has been going on for years and is nothing new.

High-schoolers in Delta County have been presented with the WAIT program for at least the last decade, according to Clay.

“I think they’ve gotten away with it for so long because there’s little to no opposition in the community,” said Fisk, who considers herself an atheist. She said she only knows of three other students with similar beliefs at school, but said there may be more who are too afraid to be open about their stance.

“It’s scary to be an atheist in this community,” she said, mentioning the threats made on social media since the Bible incident.

“It’s like I always feel like I’m being proselytized to, like they’re trying to convert me,” she said, estimating that the culture of the school is heavily Christian, with more than 90 percent of the student body considering themselves religious. At one point, Fisk tried to form a secular student alliance club, but wasn’t successful in finding a faculty sponsor for the group. She started a Young Democrats club instead. Fisk said the constant undertone of religious culture at Delta schools have made it somewhat uncomfortable for her over the years.

“It makes it hard to be who you are,” she said. “The school has no respect for separation of church and state.”

www.gjsentinel.com...




no school should be teaching girls to be subservient to their husbands!!!!



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:47 PM
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Mind linking the literature? I just keep finding things on how its a load of crap. Linked a commonly cited Forbes article a few pages back.

What are your thoughts on the student's situation, if true?



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
no school should be teaching girls to be subservient to their husbands!!!!


Guess you must really rail against all things Muslim then.

By making that statement you are expressing your hatred of the Islamic faith.
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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Wow, thanks for digging all that up! Wish I could give you extra stars for improving my thread! ;-)

It's pretty apparent the school had it out for her. And regardless of some of the authoritarian minded folks in this thread, I have to agree that a student has the right to express their beliefs and the school cannot enforce or endorse any religion.

This is why it's okay for there to be student prayer and religious groups in public schools, because they are considered a form of public property, especially afforded to the students of that school/district. The school cannot monetarily or in any official capacity support those groups though. A teacher can, but only when they are not acting in the capacity of a teacher.
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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

It seems more and more that she is telling the truth.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP



By making that statement you are expressing your hatred of the Islamic faith.

We don't like any religion.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: dawnstar

It seems more and more that she is telling the truth.


Yeah, I mean there is a Federal lawsuit, it's not just going to the media and causing some noise.

Case number: 1:2017cv02318

Fisk v. Delta County Joint School District No 50 et al

I can't personally access PACER but I'm reaching out.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: TinfoilTP



By making that statement you are expressing your hatred of the Islamic faith.

We don't like any religion.


If you are an Atheist then why would you not like something that does not exist in your mind, let alone waste so much time and effort fighting against it?



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: TinfoilTP



By making that statement you are expressing your hatred of the Islamic faith.

We don't like any religion.


Oh, come off it, DA.

Everyone knows atheism is itself a religion.









#sarc



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: TinfoilTP



By making that statement you are expressing your hatred of the Islamic faith.

We don't like any religion.


If you are an Atheist then why would you not like something that does not exist in your mind, let alone waste so much time and effort fighting against it?

I don't care what people believe. I only care that our Constitution is being followed.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: TinfoilTP



By making that statement you are expressing your hatred of the Islamic faith.

We don't like any religion.


If you are an Atheist then why would you not like something that does not exist in your mind, let alone waste so much time and effort fighting against it?


They don't dislike god (no belief in god), they dislike the promotion or advocacy of that belief by the government or an institution thereof. Separation of church and state.
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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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So... all of her teachers at this public school in Colorado just happen to be religious nutters?

Reading the article about her past shenanigans, and the fact that she bragged about it to a newspaper, it seems like she was quite the attention seeker. Let's see what happens when the other side of the story comes out.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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did I mess something here?? was the school teaching islamic religious principles also?? or are you just trying to muddy the waters???

imagine if a public school was teaching islamic principles and telling the students to "fake it till you make it"...the outcry would be fierce and loud!!! it should be just as fierce and loud in this case!!

the idea that girls should be taught to be subservient to the husbands when they marry though is something that has absolutely no place in any public school system.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: OrdoAdChao

Mixing church and state, par for the course nowadays.


This is merely a symptom of ideologies given power.

It could just as easily be Atheists persecuting 'insert religion here', or pick your dis metrically opposed ideology groups and swap them over the religions.

And thats just with mere singular ideologies in positions of demagogue authority. Go combining multiple ideologies as one into one 'super-identity', like the Nazi's, Communist's, etc all did, and the results are far more reaching and hard to eradicate.






posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Seems like she just got a Twitter account. We could reach out to her.
twitter.com...

Edit - my bad. Seems like she had it for a year. I guess she isn't active on Twitter.
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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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The battle of opposing ideologies. It will be interesting to see how this one progresses.

PC vs. Anti-PC

I bet both sides will try and pull out numerous statutes and maybe even the constitution itself to justify their views.

Kind of like a micro battle of what is occurring all over this country.

Fun times indeed.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

You keep assuming these Christian activities weren't endorsed by the school. "Assuming." They were at my children's public high school.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: Justso

Just because they allow the activities according to law doesn't mean they endorse them, although they very well could.

True, I do not know the details of every single instance around the country, I'm speaking about what the law—the SCOTUS—has said.

If a school is doing something outside the law, challenge it. Like this girl is doing.



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