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Why do conservatives always find themselves on the wrong side of history?

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Teikiatsu

All you have to do is follow the laws conservatives back.
I thought Trump was elected because of his business acumen. Not moving along or changing is death to businesses.
Bureaucratic regulations kill industry. All this Climate Change environmentalism is part of that killing industry. So what if millions of people suffer in the here and now for sone future thing that is predicted only by computer models.... right?
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Predicted only by computer models... oh my god what an ignorant statement.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Predicted only by computer models... oh my god what an ignorant statement.

Not if you realize that weather predictions can only predict a few hours or days in advance. I'm on Mobil... I'll get that data for you
Later but it's posted elsewhere here by another member on a different thread .
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

This is not weather prediction. It’s climate. They’re not predicting which days will be rain or sunshine. Don’t be an idiot and don’t blame your cell phone for lack of proof.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: bender151
a reply to: Southern Guardian

Apparently you're not very familiar with history. Let's start with the Democratic party, shall we?


Yes let's. Google Dixiecrats, ideology and the southern strategy. Then come back to me.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey


But here's a thought exercise for you: Now do a post where Democrats have been on the wrong side of history.


No. No, I think you should do a post on liberals being on the wrong side of history.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Super hurricanes stop businesses immediately then need government intervention to start up again.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: SlapMonkey


But here's a thought exercise for you: Now do a post where Democrats have been on the wrong side of history.


No. No, I think you should do a post on liberals being on the wrong side of history.


Exactly. Or why the south is still the racist underbelly and why modern day Republicans are defending confederate monuments of the past.

It’s really not rocket science. America has had a long struggle with uneducated racist southern idiots. They’re xenophobia, racism, and misogyny has stayed consistent.

They go back and forth moving the goal posts. Sometimes they shift blame by saying it was democrats— other times they shift blame by saying the civil war wasn’t about slavery.

Just own it, you confederate defending, white supremacist defending, Nazi defending pukes.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

And you wonder why no one wants to vote the same way you do?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: spiritualzombie

And you wonder why no one wants to vote the same way you do?


Too much truth turns you off?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: SlapMonkey


But here's a thought exercise for you: Now do a post where Democrats have been on the wrong side of history.


No. No, I think you should do a post on liberals being on the wrong side of history.


Exactly. Or why the south is still the racist underbelly and why modern day Republicans are defending confederate monuments of the past.

It’s really not rocket science. America has had a long struggle with uneducated racist southern idiots. They’re xenophobia, racism, and misogyny has stayed consistent.

They go back and forth moving the goal posts. Sometimes they shift blame by saying it was democrats— other times they shift blame by saying the civil war wasn’t about slavery.

Just own it, you confederate defending, white supremacist defending, Nazi defending pukes.



Republicans are defending free speech. For everyone. Liberals used to defend free speech long ago.

And what's the point of taking down historical statues? It's all a cheap publicity stunt by liberal groups.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: spiritualzombie

And you wonder why no one wants to vote the same way you do?


Too much truth turns you off?


More like too much arrogance and being constantly slandered. I know when you were growing up, it felt so good to stop being odd because then the other kids stopped making fun of you all the time, so you started doing what everyone else did to fit in because then no one made fun of you, but some of us grew spines and decided it was more important to be who we actually were than to blindly follow the herd because some other kids told us we were ugly and our mothers dressed us funny.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Are you implying that Democrats (which is the descriptor that I used, not "liberals") are always on the right side of everything?

Let's start with that question and then see if your response is even worth considering--but for starters, your response tells me that you may have a biased view of history, seen through the lenses of ideology over factuality.

But I'll remain open-minded...



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

That's roughly what this thread is about, yes. Except that the dems are filled with conservatives, too. Wanna bet?

Are you implying that you ignored the OP in order to prevent cosmic triggers?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I’m only arrogant when I know I’m right.


Oh my god, the way you so accurately described my childhood... iiit’s b-b-bringing b-b-back my s-s-stutter and reminding me of all the m-m-mean kids. Oh why have you so viciously resurrected this childhood p-pain?




posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: Fools


the progressives, liberals, left wing, whatever have always been more interested in empire


That's why they pushed for the Iraq war right?

-I don't consider anyone in the Bush clan conservative. Nor any neocon. Also, you must remember that when it was considered every major liberal rag and politician (with a couple of exceptions) was all ready to go and get er done. The left merely changed their opinion a few months into it, to as I say, keep their minority population happy.


These wins, if they are wins, are merely lame attempts to appease the minority groups


Those lousy minorities. Thinking they should be granted the same rights as all other tax paying americans.

What an outrageous thought huh? You serve them equally and you're just an appeaser. Right?

Right? Come on. This is the mudpit. You're free to come out here my friend. Plenty of mud to go around.

- Whether you like it or not, there are actual minority populations in this country. Seriously, I swear, they exist! The empire makers do things they do to protect their empire. Keeping minorities happy is always the first thing that an empire does in order to keep things running smoothly. Oh yeah, and I am a racist. Not hard to read between your lines big dummy.


This is why I still support Trump. His executive approaches have all been to take the power away from the empire (international corporations) and give it back to the people of the republic.


Can you give me an example of this from Trump? Seems he wants more tax cuts for the rich. That's all I've got from him.

-search engines can be your friend. There are more places to get information from than where you get it from. Hell, even here on ATS I am sure you can search for things that Trump has done that are positive for the Joe normal crowd - regardless of their race. Had to include that last sentence since I am an obvious racist. Right? You know me so well!


Think for a minute why we have troops in nearly every nation. Is it to defend Americans from attack? They say it is, but I don't think so - they are there protecting corporate interests.


Is this why Trump is increasing troops to Afghanistan? Is this why he's waiving the military arm against Iran and North Korea? Threatening potential invasion? Hm?

But surely that's different right?

-No it's not. North Korea - nothing has happened has it? Afghanistan? It was about to fall into revolution and we were already there. have been for a very very long time. In other words, all of these things are inherited from the empire builders.

Who supported and pushed for the Iraq war in the 2000s huh?

Pretty much every Republican and well over half of democrats: in the senate and about 2/5th of the democrats in the house:

en.wikipedia.org...

here is a pretty interesting article:

fpif.org...

And personally I don't care which side did what, it was done. And it was done because when it comes to foreign policy, over the last 80 years or so, there has been little difference between any party - no matter which party is in control. That my friend is because they all get their power and money from globalist. The latest plan that is brewing is to divide and balkanize the United States. It's very likely it will happen in our lifetimes if people keep handing control to the same families and the same groups.


My we have very short memories.


It seems like you actually have a short memory - or more than likely a selective one.


Also, thank you for being the 1000th person on the internet to imply that I am a racist! You win a prize! I am sending you a mental love hug from a racist - from me to you! I hope you enjoy it.

It's funny, even though I have spent my whole life around black people - working, living, dating, going to lunch with, having beers with, even have a few as second cousins, that somehow during the Obama era I suddenly became a racist for any opinion I might have that disagree's with whatever garbage the political class is vomiting day and night.

You folk that go to the racist argument are SO boring and predictable is simply amazing that you don't see how transparent you are to most people. Your constant race baiting of everything is but one of the reasons why democrats have been plunging in the polls in about 80 percent of the states in the United States. So keep it up if you want to continue to lose.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Seems to be a lot of overthinking here.

In classic definitions, conservatives favor the status quo, traditional power structures, etc. Liberals favor the valuation of the individual and their civil rights.

Conservatives want things to stay the same; liberals want to change things for the better.



Conservatism defined by a non-conservative. So cute.

USA conservatives are not opposed to change. We are opposed to change for the sake of change. If the change is for the betterment of *everyone* and not just a few then it's good change. At the same time, we realize that traditions are the way they are *because they worked in the past.* So it is incumbent to actually stress-test a proposed change before we rewrite the rules and start throwing monkey wrenches. This is where the idea of state laboratories come from. Let the states try the ideas out first and minimize the damage within their borders. If the change was good, other states can adopt it. If the idea was *REALLY* good and many states are benefitting, then we can amend the Constitution!

Yes, it's slow and methodical. I won't dispute that at all.

But it's much better than the modern liberal idea of bringing the hammer down on private citizens through central planning and/or judicial fiat because they perceive some massive slight against one demographic or another.


Conservatism defined as what it is. Not cute, just true.

"USA Conservatives" eh? Who are they again? Do they have a website? Is there any way to determine that you have been declared the spokesperson for "USA Conservatives" whatever that's supposed to mean?

The Republican Platform of 1956 is a very clear statement of classic American conservatism. You should read it sometime.

No liberal is for "change for the sake of change." If you can back up your claim with actual evidence please do so.

There is no change that is for the betterment of "everyone" because the socio-economic playing field has always been tilted in this country (and you're well aware of that fact.) The only "change" that the average conservative favors is regression which defeats the nature of any progressive achievements by sustaining the "good ol' days" and "making US great again."

Your story about how "state laboratories" work is interesting fiction. I'd love to see some real world examples.

You seem to have left out the incumbent jingoism, unconstitutional discrimination, market-crashing deregulatory side of the "modern Conservative" story, Teiki ... I wonder why?

Demonstrate the modern "liberal idea of bringing the hammer down on private citizens blah blah blah ... " with actual examples. You may remember that the US Constitution sets up a National government that is responsible, as you say, for "central planning" and a Supreme Court that establishes the highest jurisprudence.

Sounds like you don't like the liberal US Constitution or the Republic that it created ... what would you like better? Some Objectivist Utopia?

Pfft.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

wow... The same old BS from the left claiming "conservatives are on the wrong side of history"... Similar to the claims from the left that they were the ones who fought slavery, that they fought for the civil rights, when it was Republicans who did all those things from the start... Republicans were not the left back then... Even back then Republicans were pro-business, and thought a small government, a Republican government was the best form of government for the U.S. Heck, even the U.S. Constitution states it on article four.



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Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
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www.law.cornell.edu...



1 republican

Definition of republican
1 :one that favors or supports a republican form of government
2 capitalized
a :a member of a political party advocating republicanism
b :a member of the Democratic-Republican party or of the Republican party of the U.S.

www.merriam-webster.com...

But the claims people in the left make up to "re-write history" never ceases to amaze me. Threads like this one should be sent directly to the hoax bin, but they never are. Even if they were to be published in other forums and not on this one.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
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No liberal is for "change for the sake of change." If you can back up your claim with actual evidence please do so.
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You all voted for Obama was proof enough that you all voted for change "just for the sake of change".

BTW, how about you post evidence that "Republicans back then wanted total government control", as in the type of socialist system you love so much.



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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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I have to give it to you ... you dare to complain about revisionist history, while maintaining that the word republican in the Constitution refers to the Republican Party.

You win the prize.




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