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Why do conservatives always find themselves on the wrong side of history?

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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 11:09 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ketsuko

In theory the government is the people.

I’m sure Jesus wouldn’t be against a government aiding the extreme poor.

Conservatives put up this straw man argument about government. Government is hired to use the people’s resources wisely and justly, that includes aiding those in the country in dire poverty.

Read the general welfare clause of the US constitution


But Jesus is against theft which is what it becomes when you coerce someone against his or her will and take from them, and here I am not talking about just those you perceive as evil greedy conservatives but surely you know there are plenty of evil greedy progressives too who wouldn't part with an extra dollar unless the government pries it out of them. Maybe that's why you all vote for the theft. You know you wouldn't be "giving to charity" otherwise, and it's the only you can keep each other honest.

But for me, I prefer to give of my own free will. You should try it. It's far more satisfying and much less frustrating then filling an enormous tax bill that mostly fattens the pockets of bureaucrats instead of actually helping anyone.




posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

We aren't.
We are portrayed to be when Liberals attempt to rewrite history..........as they do quite often.
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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ketsuko

In theory the government is the people.

I’m sure Jesus wouldn’t be against a government aiding the extreme poor.

Conservatives put up this straw man argument about government. Government is hired to use the people’s resources wisely and justly, that includes aiding those in the country in dire poverty.

Read the general welfare clause of the US constitution


But Jesus is against theft which is what it becomes when you coerce someone against his or her will and take from them, and here I am not talking about just those you perceive as evil greedy conservatives but surely you know there are plenty of evil greedy progressives too who wouldn't part with an extra dollar unless the government pries it out of them. Maybe that's why you all vote for the theft. You know you wouldn't be "giving to charity" otherwise, and it's the only you can keep each other honest.

But for me, I prefer to give of my own free will. You should try it. It's far more satisfying and much less frustrating then filling an enormous tax bill that mostly fattens the pockets of bureaucrats instead of actually helping anyone.





Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities.


K~



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 12:15 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

I think you got your history all jacked up. Conservatives freed the slaves, conservatives passed the civil rights act of 1875, conservatives sent in the US Army to the South to protect blacks from the Democrats KKK. Conservatives passed the 14th and 15th amendment to protect blacks, conservatives voted overwhelmingly for the 1965 Civil Rights Act that was originally declared unconstitutional from a Democrat Supreme Court Judges. Conservatives gave every human equal rights. Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK, then they started adopting Socialism in the 1920s with the rise of Hitler and Stalin as a populist movement. FDR praised Hitler and copied the New Deal from Hitler's economics and Margaret Sanger the founder of modern progressivism got awards from Hitler. The only reason why blacks started voting Democrats is because they wanted handouts from Socialism, which started in the 1920s when the Classic Liberals transformed into the modern day socialists Democrat party, thus, abandoning the ideas from the American Revolution which involves the individual and freedom, in exchange Democrats adopted European Socialism of collectivism, centralize control, and income taxes to bankroll the Central Banks, thus, transforming the USA into an Oligarchy of the Bankers.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 01:25 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

This is because promoting the morality and paradigm of generations that are dying out will eventually be replaced by
the younger people who are ALWAYS more open minded than the generations that proceed them. It is natural and it is common sense to see that each American generation become more open to expanding liberty to people that were once
considered deviant, too ethnic or whatever group is being blamed for the perpetual demise of America. It used to be Irish and now it is Mexicans, again...



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 02:10 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

You're talking about cultural policies, which are only a subset of politics.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 02:18 AM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: Southern Guardian

I think you got your history all jacked up. Conservatives freed the slaves, conservatives passed the civil rights act of 1875, conservatives sent in the US Army to the South to protect blacks from the Democrats KKK. Conservatives passed the 14th and 15th amendment to protect blacks, conservatives voted overwhelmingly for the 1965 Civil Rights Act that was originally declared unconstitutional from a Democrat Supreme Court Judges. Conservatives gave every human equal rights. Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK, then they started adopting Socialism in the 1920s with the rise of Hitler and Stalin as a populist movement. FDR praised Hitler and copied the New Deal from Hitler's economics and Margaret Sanger the founder of modern progressivism got awards from Hitler. The only reason why blacks started voting Democrats is because they wanted handouts from Socialism, which started in the 1920s when the Classic Liberals transformed into the modern day socialists Democrat party, thus, abandoning the ideas from the American Revolution which involves the individual and freedom, in exchange Democrats adopted European Socialism of collectivism, centralize control, and income taxes to bankroll the Central Banks, thus, transforming the USA into an Oligarchy of the Bankers.


That's rich... The most conservative part of the country is the south and it has always been the the seat of American conservatism. It is almost laughable for you to say something like that... Like Mississippi is a hotbed for homosexual artist colonies and Georgia is where the commies gathered to overthrow those evil conservative San Franciscan capitalist. lmao

Oh wait, I bet you are gonna tell me that those Arkansas loves pot smokers and wants to take yer guns away.

I watched all those videos of those longhaired hippie southern lawmen turning their firehoses on the black people.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 03:32 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Jesus had no problems with government. He thought they were created by god but more important he was ok with taxes.

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him. (Mark 12:17)



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 04:20 AM
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Gosh some interesting replies on here.

a reply to: SRPrime


Well, conservatives were on the right side of the civil war,


Oh really? Why don't you ask your southern brethren who was in the wrong during the civil war. I guarantee you the vast majority will point to the North.

The politicians of the south at the time accused the Lincoln administration of big government, overstepping states rights, and overtaxing them (some accusations of increased tariffs were flowing about from the South). Sound familiar? Yes they were for the most part Democrat affiliated. To be more specific, they were dixiecrats, the ultra conservative wing of the party at the time.

You need to bush up on your history before you come running in here son.


Republican's also signed the civil rights act of 1964.


Republicans and conservatives opposed the civil rights act in force. The one Democratic President Lyndon Johnson signed into force. Some Republicans may have supported it, true, but Republicans lead the opposition against it as well.

Former congressman Ron Paul remembers. Ask him about the civil rights act.

Many Republicans argued it was for the sake of States rights. Maybe Republican State legislatures did not agree with having their powers over their residents social choices limited.

Christ learn to do some basic research before posting.


I mean, you sit there and try to blame republicans


I sit here and blame conservatives for their consistent opposition to the great and positive social changes in this nation. 'Ideology' and 'party' are not necessarily synonymous.


In 1860, Lincoln secured the Republican Party presidential nomination


Lincoln and the Republican party were viewed largely as liberal and progressive at the time. Given the party had influence by abolitionists who were seen as big government and anti-states rights. Given that the Republican Party had been historically friendly to increased tariffs against foreign nations, something viewed as pro-tax by southern dixiecrats.


it was Clinton who caused the housing bubble



Oh really, by alloweing banks to lend whatever they wanted (freedom in the market you know?).


Leftists don't understand how economy works


Yes. They should revert back to trickle down economics. It's done wonders.


The problem here is that conservatives generally are extremely religious and they legislate based on their interpretation of scripture,


That's true. We agree on something. This is contrary to their small government more freedom mantra.


As for conservatives and the right to marry? It's conservatives who want the government to get OUT of the marriage


If conservatives merely wanted government to get out of marriage, why did they continue to push for preservation of heterosexual marriages and family values over the years? Now all of a sudden, rights granted to interracial couples, same sexed couples, all of a sudden this excuse comes about. It doesn't jive with actions.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr


There was not a shift you bought on to a false narrative. The dixie crats stayed in the Democratic party.


Is that why the Democratic Party always carries the South today? Since the 'dixiecrats stayed in the Democratic Party'?


The number crunchers had spoken. The Southern strategy, incipient for a decade, had matured into a clear route to electoral dominance. The old Democratic alliance of Northeastern liberals, the white working class, Northern blacks, and Southern Democrats, could be riven by racial appeals. Beginning in 1970, Richard Nixon embraced the politics of racial division wholeheartedly. He abandoned the idea of a flat wealth transfer to the poor. Now, Nixon repeatedly emphasized law and order issues. He railed against forced busing in the North. He reversed the federal government’s position on Southern school integration, slowing the process down and making clear that the courts would have no help from his administration.

www.salon.com...

Did all the conservative dixicrats move up north all of a sudden and morph into liberals? Or is the more logical explanation that they 'switched' parties much like their man Ronald Reagan.


They even had a klan leader Robert Byrd who was and exalted cyclops in the KKK.


Yes. He was klan leader in the 50s. 70 years ago. He's changed.

Unlike a person by the name David Duke, who has remained an avowed KKK supporter all these years. Somebody who attempted to run as a Democrat but couldn't get into office due to lack of support. Then decided to run as a Republican, and, what do ya know? He got enough of the vote. Had the nifty R next to his name.

Funny that.

Come back with more nonsense you hear.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 04:56 AM
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a reply to: Fools


the progressives, liberals, left wing, whatever have always been more interested in empire


That's why they pushed for the Iraq war right?


These wins, if they are wins, are merely lame attempts to appease the minority groups


Those lousy minorities. Thinking they should be granted the same rights as all other tax paying americans.

What an outrageous thought huh? You serve them equally and you're just an appeaser. Right?

Right? Come on. This is the mudpit. You're free to come out here my friend. Plenty of mud to go around.


This is why I still support Trump. His executive approaches have all been to take the power away from the empire (international corporations) and give it back to the people of the republic.


Can you give me an example of this from Trump? Seems he wants more tax cuts for the rich. That's all I've got from him.


Think for a minute why we have troops in nearly every nation. Is it to defend Americans from attack? They say it is, but I don't think so - they are there protecting corporate interests.


Is this why Trump is increasing troops to Afghanistan? Is this why he's waiving the military arm against Iran and North Korea? Threatening potential invasion? Hm?

But surely that's different right?

Who supported and pushed for the Iraq war in the 2000s huh?

My we have very short memories.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 05:01 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Willtell

And did Jesus say the government was only this can be accomplished? And did Jesus say that we should use the government to force everyone to give the way *we* (meaning you or progressives) think *they* should give? Or was Jesus calling *you* the single individual to give of your own will because it is the right thing to do, and if everyone made that free decision to give, which is called charity not welfare, then this world would be a much better place?

Why is government the only entity capable of doing what Jesus wants you, the individual, to do?



They are too stupid to understand what Jesus actually said and taught.




posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 05:40 AM
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Think back in history,the and use proven fact,A Democrat was in office during each world war,also a Dem sold us out to the Federal Reserve in 1933,the socialist's have been trying to rule the US,now they do,and call themselves corporations,they cause economic strife,they fuel race wars,and their brainless followers believe them,becauise they never check true facts out,they operate on a knee jerk apparition



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian




Is this why Trump is increasing troops to Afghanistan? Is this why he's waiving the military arm against Iran and North Korea? Threatening potential invasion? Hm?


Lets face it: we're all just Neanderthals glancing at the stars and when those funny black triangles show up, it's just our black project breakaway civilisation on the progressive side of history.

We've lost it. Advancement, civilisation and all that sacrificed to some fcking god of national security. Barbaric. And I hate to be on the same losing side with all the conservatives on this issue.

Besides from that you surely made quite a few good points, but can we get the priorities straight now? For the future, ya know. Our future as a species, cuz that's the point where we're at right now.





posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: Oldtimer2


Dem sold us out to the Federal Reserve in 1933,


And it's been with us for what? 80+ years now? As with every other developed country that has a central bank? Wonder why it remains? We need to go back to the haydays of backing money with Gold again. We'll start with Fort Knox. That covers what? $300 billion? There's $14+ trillion left to back with Gold.

Once reality comes into play, abolishing a Central Bank or the Federal Reserve is a no no.


the socialist's have been trying to rule the US


I wonder if you're the same age as my pop? The poor soul still thinks the Soviet Union exists. It's just hiding somewheres.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:06 AM
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I've got to face it. Face the music.

a reply to: PublicOpinion


And I hate to be on the same losing side with all the conservatives on this issue.


That's your choice. The world will keep moving. The US will move along. Your ideas left behind with the rest of the past. Only glorified on forums like this, safe havens, your safe spaces. But they'll never come to fruition. Reality will remain a cold cold pill to swallow.

Abolishing the federal reserve. The Free Market. Roe V. Wade overturned. All ideas dreamed about, but withered away in the face of reality. You'll have your Ron Pauls come about and tickle your fancy, but they'll soon wither with these old ideas as civilization progresses. Outdated ideas, unable to stand the test of time.

My God. I should get back into Theatre.


but can we get the priorities straight now?


Depends what priorities. My view of our 'priorities' are once again being opposed by those on the right. Once again. Roe V. Wade all over again. Loving V. Virginia all over again. Gay marriage all over again. Texas V. Alexander all over again. Brown V. Board of Education all over again. Stop stalling progress I say.

Wanna clink beers?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian




My God. I should get back into Theatre.


Definitely. The talent... what a waste!

*bows*

Yes, lets have some beers at a real table sometime. You did a good job facing the music. All I'd like to add is the fact, that this invention of secrecy wasn't a very progressive act at all. More water on your mills.


By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. Many such orders were imposed on individuals and organizations working without government support. This number shrank for each fiscal year thereafter, until 2002. Since 2002, the number of secrecy orders has grown, with 5,002 secrecy orders in effect at the end of fiscal year 2007.
The types of inventions classified under this Act are themselves secret, but most of the inventions which are now no longer secret but once were secret have been in areas with high military significance, such as cryptography and weapons development.

en.wikipedia.org...

Stop stalling progress! You can keep the weapons, just give us Teslas free energy for starters and lets start to rebuild society?




posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: aethertek

There is a difference between submitting to authority and that authority being right. Remember, Jesus taught to a people subjugated by the Roman Empire.

However, I find it very intriguing that you and others will be the first to jump on the separation of church and state bandwagon for most things, but when it comes to taking money out of people's pockets to force them to do what you think they ought, you are all for using religious justification for it.

Does this mean all progressives do believe in the state as church after all?

Sorry ... have to fix that last in an edit. I forgot, you're progressives. You believe that state *is* church and so there is no separation of church and state really for you. You just use the trappings of others religions in an attempt to convert the rest of us to your belief system.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

Jesus never existed, so he never said anything.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: bgerbger

Pssst, you're undermining the arguments of your fellows.



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