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Why do conservatives always find themselves on the wrong side of history?

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I'll take the word of scientists and the consensus says you are on the wrong side of history.




posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

WRONG...it wasn't "some people voted for Obama because he is black"... The majority voted because he was black. Even a supporter of Obama states everyone he knew was telling him they were voting for Obama simply because he is black. The left-wing media in general were going with the "vote for Obama because he would be the first black President."

I didn't change my argument, you tried to claim my argument change to simply ignore it, and btw, I am not playing any games so stop trying to deflect.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3

I'll take the word of scientists and the consensus says you are on the wrong side of history.


What does "scientists" have to do with "politics"?... BTW, consensus doesn't make a statement or a claim right. just in case you didn't know... History has shown that consensus has been wrong a lot in the past...

There was a consensus that "the Earth was flat"...

There was a consensus that "people would suffocate on a train that would travel faster than 30 mph"...

There was a consensus that "people had to be bled to cure many illnesses"...

There have been many "consensuses" that history has proven to be wrong.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3

I'll take the word of scientists and the consensus says you are on the wrong side of history.


BTW, also in case you didn't know there are scientists who also say and have written that an increase of atmospheric CO2 does not cause "superstorms." Heck, there are scientists who have stated that even a warmer climate doesn't cause more, or more powerful hurricanes.


...
Although Landsea doesn't dispute that humans are causing climate change, he does doubt the assertion that global warming has significantly increased hurricane activity. To explain his doubts, he points to the imperfections in hurricane records.
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Will Hurricanes Change as the World Warms?


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You still haven’t proven anything about the number of people who voted for Obama because of race.

You clearly have changed your argument several times even though you still haven’t proven anything.

At all.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You still haven’t proven anything about the number of people who voted for Obama because of race.

You clearly have changed your argument several times even though you still haven’t proven anything.


I did no such thing...

BTW, you trying to refute that the left argument has been about race is like trying to deny that the left now-a-days also claim that Trump won because of his race, even though it is not true.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66



Heck...



She said and I quote:


...We ended up having a very historic contest that went to the finish line. You know, both of us our own way- him because of his race, me because of my gender.
...


From above link.




... There is only one really, really bad reason....to vote against Obama... and that's because he is not white....


From above link at the 48-54 second.

But keep denying, it's in your nature.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You still haven’t proven anything about the number of people who voted for Obama because of race.

You clearly have changed your argument several times even though you still haven’t proven anything.


I did no such thing...

BTW, you trying to refute that the left argument has been about race is like trying to deny that the left now-a-days also claim that Trump won because of his race, even though it is not true.


Yeah, you did, and it's evident. You errantly chimed in on someone else's argument, then started babbling about Obama.

As always your argument is blatta-blatta "left" blatta blatta "socialist" blatta blatta "race" ... you're not saying anything about what Left and Right mean to you, you're not offering anything for the points you're trying to make, you splash in Youtube videos because you think that hides your non-existent argument.

Why don't you try to argue on-topic and legitimately for once instead of merely spewing the same copypasta you bring to most threads?

For example ... why don't you give us the number of times that the "right wing" was on the "right side" of history?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Oh lookie, you're trying to hide behind even more Youtube vids ...

Can you prove that most people voted for Obama because of his race, or not?

Posting a opinion-based video isn't going to cut it.

Do you have evidence? Even though this is not the topic? If not, move on.

PS, your last vid actually suggests that people voted AGAINST Obama because of his race ... do you remember what you're trying to argue?

And anyway, it's CNN ... FAKE NEWS!!! FAKE NEWS!!!

(This is really kind of pathetic, dude.)
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:42 PM
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Conservativism is a decrepit philosophy. It doesn’t even know what’s valuable to conserve.

It certainly doesn’t know what’s valuable to change

A healthy civilization changes the old ways of oppressive and tyrannical conditions of its society such as happened in America regarding civil rights, where non white people couldn’t even get in established educational institutions or move into many areas and neighborhoods all because of racism.

Couldn’t get loans from banks, had to ride on the back of a bus, were murdered for trying to get voting rights. These things happened not only way back in the 19th century but well into the 20th century.

In America, woman weren’t even allowed to vote well until the early 20th century. Same thing with child labor laws, they were enacted to protect children from oppressive labor conditions only in the early 20th century.

Unions weren’t allowed hardly to even form well into the 20th century without facing life threatening challenges.

If we examine the history of the almost revolutionary positive changes in America most people behind these changes would today-- and particularly on this troglodytic forum-- be called troublemaking SJW’s or liberal fanatics.

One thing is for sure we wouldn’t have to worry about conservatives being much involved with these positive historical changes, that presently all clear thinking Americans are grateful for enacting into laws, and becoming a vital part of the social mores of the country….That being the case because conservative political philosophy in America has been and still is reactionary, troglodytic and way of out tune with American values.

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

That's because what we see today touted as conservatism isn't.

There's no real emphasis on smaller government ... merely on big government directed at different focuses (like defense spending, corporate welfare, tax cuts for the rich, etc.) There's no concern with individual liberty. No, these folks love them some government overreach ... they want to tell us who we can marry, what we can put into our bodies, they want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, they want to tell us how to express our patriotism ... etc. etc.

Most "conservatives" today are core authoritarians, pere-et-fils.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Of course co2 doesn't cause superstorm. Warm oceans feed the storm energy and the oceans are getting warmer.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Willtell

That's because what we see today touted as conservatism isn't.

There's no real emphasis on smaller government ... merely on big government directed at different focuses (like defense spending, corporate welfare, tax cuts for the rich, etc.) There's no concern with individual liberty. No, these folks love them some government overreach ... they want to tell us who we can marry, what we can put into our bodies, they want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, they want to tell us how to express our patriotism ... etc. etc.

Most "conservatives" today are core authoritarians, pere-et-fils.



In other words, to use a phrase, their FAKE conservatives

Understanding that conservative is actually a subjective term, politically, we can say they are a concoction of a reactionary power based system that wants to maintain or conserve the old ways of oppression and inequality that existed in the past. And thereby being an opponent to change that evokes the best of the constitutional concepts of freedom, justice and equality.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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Jesus h christ ! Thays some revisionist history right there my God you sir are s moron



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

1) Conservative != Republican. And 1956? That's reaching.

2) I did not say liberals are for 'change for the sake of change.' I said conservative are against that notion. Please read what is written.

3) Yes, there is change that is for the betterment of all. It means leaving people more of their own means and responsibility. This is anathema to those who seek control over others.

4) Crack open a history book.

5) I have mentioned none of those things because Republican != Conservative.

6) Obamacare. EPA. FCC. IRS. NSA. I could go on.

7) The US Constitution was ratified by the individual states to establish a *federal* government and tell it what it could not do. Remember that history book I mentioned?

Are you done boring me?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
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A healthy civilization changes the old ways of oppressive and tyrannical conditions of its society such as happened in America regarding civil rights, where non white people couldn’t even get in established educational institutions or move into many areas and neighborhoods all because of racism.
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Really? is that why it was Republicans who fought slavery, fought for women's right to vote, fought to assert that the Constitution is talking about "every individual" and not about specific races?...

BTW, change in itself is neither good or bad, it can be either. So changes from certain conservative ideas does not equal to being better, or liberating society more when many such changes are aiming at dissolving the nation into some "socialist utopian BS".


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Willtell

That's because what we see today touted as conservatism isn't.

There's no real emphasis on smaller government ... merely on big government directed at different focuses (like defense spending, corporate welfare, tax cuts for the rich, etc.) There's no concern with individual liberty. No, these folks love them some government overreach ... they want to tell us who we can marry, what we can put into our bodies, they want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, they want to tell us how to express our patriotism ... etc. etc.

Most "conservatives" today are core authoritarians, pere-et-fils.


So obviously you have no idea that there are RINOs who tend to vote about half progressive/left-wing and half conservative which is why they are called RINOs.

As to conservatives being "core authoritarian"?... LOL is that why you needed Obama to force the majority of the women to accept men who could claim "I am a woman inside" in the women's bathrooms and locker rooms?

How many women (actually about 1 in 5) in the U.S. have suffered rape by men? Such a "change" is only forcing women, and children as well to accept members of the opposite sex who may, or may not think "they are women inside" in the women's bathrooms and locker rooms.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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Very simple. History is written by the winner of the battles. In Japan it wasn't until recent times that they taught their kids they actually lost WW2.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: Jonnybgood
Very simple. History is written by the winner of the battles. In Japan it wasn't until recent times that they taught their kids they actually lost WW2.



Well, Japan didn't win the war, so they only rewrote history in their nation and not globally.




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