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Drones Did Vegas Shooting ⁈ Paddock Deep State IRS LockHeed NASA

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Considering this a conspiracy site I wonder why some can't fathom helicopters or drones shooting at a crowd.

It's hard to fit that into a rational scenario. Crazy things might happen, but for it to be a conspiracy they still have to make some kind of reasonable sense -- or at least sense to the crazy person doing them. We're all still not sure exactly what shooting up a bunch of country western fans in Las Vegas was supposed to accomplish. Send a message? To whom, about what? At least if a kid shoots up a high school we have a pretty clear motive. This? ?????




posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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I don't know how the Janet wiki link ended up wrong
I never even opened that page, i checked my browser history.
Here's the real one:
en.wikipedia.org...(airline)



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Giraffe

Hi Giraffe, I've put together a theory as to why people might keep filming.
Mostly because they don't believe they are in danger.
If you were told this was a drill......www.abovetopsecret.com...


Hello, ATA. I read your theory. While you have obviously put alot of thought into it and it DOES make sense in some respects, I see one problem. If you tell the hired actors that its just a drill and the rounds are blanks, they'll be stunned when the MSM says there were deaths from shootings. Some one would spill the beans from a guilty conscious and anger of being used in such a horrific way.

Thank you for your ideas and I don't at all intend to discourage or crap on your theories. There is so much S hitting the F over this and inconsistent news reports we may never truly know the facts. That is likely their plan; To throw so many conflicting stories and crossing each other with double speak that they hope we grow tired of the confusion and give up.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: Giraffe

Many great questions have been raised in this thread and another I started on the topic. Questions that I hadn't considered so thank you and everyone else the keeps the dialogue going. This is how we get to the bottom of things by putting out theories and seeing if they stand up or not. It's as close to the scientific method as we can get when dealing with subjects like this.

Again, participants are told it's a drill but someone infiltrated it and used actual rounds, that's why I think they came up with ISIS taking responsibility. Alex Jones on the other hand is pushing that there was tons of Antifa literature in the shooter's room. Now the security guard "hero" Jesus Campos is missing. This is as much for the participants as for the public.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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one important point no one has mentioned, that MAY or MAY NOT be relevant, but is certainly very surprising given all the odd things about this...IS THAT THE SAUDI ROYALS own the top four floors of the Mandalay Vegas AS A SEPERATE HOTEL!

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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Figured I'd add this here for anyone wanting to do additional research.
List of videos I've found so far (youtube and google are particularly uncooperative about searches on this subject)

General
Forensic Acoustic proof of second shooter (Mike Adams)
www.youtube.com...

Taxi driver video (multiple shooters)
www.liveleak.com...

Las Vegas Hoax (title)
vimeo.com...
0:19 Woman says they were warned "they were all going to die" 45 minutes before the show. 3:00 interview w/ security guard says there was another shooter at the Tropicana. 4:00 wide shot of stage on left is red horn hand sign. 8:35 group in
middle begins to run causing panic.

parking lots headshot testimony
www.liveleak.com...

mass casualty drill UMC
www.liveleak.com...

Orlando docs train Las Vegas lessons from Pulse shooting
www.liveleak.com...

Shaun Hoff footage
www.liveleak.com...

Airborne lights seen at 0:07 (w), 2 lights at 0:16 (w) 0:42 & 0:46 (right of MB) 1:11 (w)
NO MUZZLEFLASH FROM MANDALAY BAY
POINTING AT LUXOR 1:30
www.liveleak.com...

Raymond Page Footage:
www.liveleak.com...
2:18 flashing lights behind trees (w)
4:05 No muzzleflash from Mandalay Bay
6:00 flashes from R of MB, also 7:25
Flight lights going R between MB towers
9:53 Nav lights behind (over airport?)

New Las Vegas Shooting Footage - Close to the Stage
Read more at www.liveleak.com...
Rotors? at 3:20 and 3:50 accompanied by shots.
5:25 possible light flash behind standing floodlights.

SYNCHRONIZED FOOTAGE, FIRST 10 MINUTES:
www.liveleak.com...

Chopper sound
www.liveleak.com...

Hooters Active Shooter
www.liveleak.com...

MACHINE GUN VIDEO
www.liveleak.com...

2 rifle shots at end
www.liveleak.com...
2:17 final auto burst, 3:26 2 rifle shots. Falling glass mentioned. Mentions shooter suicide as typical kind of thing.

Shots from middle of 4th Floor at 3:55
www.liveleak.com... at

FAKERY
Las Vegas man loads wounded into truck after deadly shooting
Robert Page, a Clark County traffic technician, loaded wounded people into his Clark County truck
Read more at www.liveleak.com...
No blood.

Police body cams. Weak pistol shots ripple cloth barrier.
www.liveleak.com...

It's not gunshots
www.liveleak.com...

Forensic analysis by Seb Green
vimeo.com...

Emergency room entrance
vimeo.com...

Mike Cronk (smiling) ABC interview at 2:30
vimeo.com...

Compilation of Videos and Still shots (some not seen elsewhere) (chopper noise at 3:50)
vimeo.com...

CONSPIRACY
Sheldon Adelson member national infrastructure advisory council, SPLC, funding CAIR,SOROS orgs. owner of Las Vegas

Review Journal
www.liveleak.com...

Eyewitness speaks of shots at NewYoker, Inside Tropicana
vimeo.com...

AEG. Corporate connections, Craigslist crisis actors ad.
vimeo.com...

Shots inside Bellagio Hotel
vimeo.com...

INTERVIEWS
"it sounded like a helicopter was shooting" "rush of people at Tropicana, thought there was another shooter" "I thought there were at least 50 shooters" (very emotional - real)
vimeo.com...

Chantal Marx, backstage when shooting began. Said shots got louder and louder, feared "people" would come over the stage and shoot all of us. "People" seems to imply multiple shooters? Says they hid behind tour bus and shooting stopped after 10 minutes then ran again to another bus further away. Waiting there she states "After about an hour and hour and a half it finally let up" (shooting went on that long?) Ended up at Sands Hangar, took bus to Thomas and Mack Center.
www.youtube.com...

Las Vegas Witness:"I saw the first person shot" | Two Shooters? (title)
www.youtube.com...
Interview by FOX channel 5 live at 1:45 am. at corner of Polaris and Hacienda.
Girl states she saw the first victim fall behind her and took off running leaving friends behind when more shooting followed. Says she "definitely thought" there were multiple shooters, seemed to follow her as she ran towards the airport. Could still hear shots from inside the airport (unsure if building or grounds). * Girl seems very composed, not disturbed or exhausted. Hair and clothes seem normal. Smiles several times later in interview. Doesn't seem authentic.
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:57 PM
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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

The video with the final 2 rifle shots is incredibly intriguing. I mean, you'd have to think that's the shot that kills SP right? Whether he shoots himself, or someone else does that's likely the shot that kills him. But if it's self Inflicted i don't get how he shoots himself twice like that so far apart. It's very very odd, so many possibilities. Then again, if he did use the handgun to kill himself maybe it just couldn't be heard from out there.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: JaeG14

Paddock supposedly killed himself with a Taurus Judge 5 shot .45 long colt or .410 shotgun firing pistol. (not stated anywhere but I can make it out from the picture)
It is seen in the pictures from the room 3 -4 feet over his head with a trail of blood leading to it.
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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 12:23 AM
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originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: FamCore

I'm putting together a compendium of the available footage and finding flashing lights at times of gunfire but no navigation lights. Many of the videos that were up have since disappeared, particularly ones where you can plainly hear helicopters overhead. Not only did they shut the airport down but I'm sure they routed all air traffic including night flights in helicopters well away from the area of the shooting for obvious reasons. The fact they show up between the towers of Mandalay Bay while firing is occurring is the troubling part. Could be drones or helicopters which was my original theory.


Flying drones at night, you are required to have collision avoidance lights same as aircraft. Generally drones are not allowed flight at night unless given permission, but a military test might negate that restriction. Drones might have been involved?


Drones can move really slow. Most radar is doppler radar, meaning it detects motion.

If the drones stay close to large objects, such as buildings, I don't see how it would be possible for radar to see them.



originally posted by: Argus100
I guess I just don’t understand why they would need to do all this when they could’ve just had a guy in the window shooting down onto the crowd.

We have a man who purchased dozens of guns in the year leading up to the shooting.



I want to propose a plausible scenario here. Suppose he was enticed to bring his guns to that hotel room by someone who claimed to want to buy them.

They have a "shopping list", and they'll pay him more if he can find the specific things they are asking for. (This explains the specific requests he was making for things like tracer rounds.)

So on the day of the event, he is seen carrying all these guns and ammunition up to his room believing they will be there for the sale.

For the sake of their own privacy (and because this purchase isn't exactly above board legally...) they ask him to prop open the fire door on his floor so they can enter unseen. (This would explain why security guards came to that floor in response to reports of an open fire door.)

Instead of buying his guns, they shoot him in the head. Then take the guns and one of them opens fire on the crowd, while they other just starts shooting off into the air. (Thereby creating a number of spent cartridges equal to what one might expect from one person shooting over a longer period of time.)

At some point some drones join in and start shooting, and the men then exit the building as the drones continue to fire. (Creating the illusion that there is still someone in the room, and still shooting.)

When the police finally breach the room, they find our man Paddock dead, and quite a lot of spent cartridges and warm, smoking, guns.

The key to getting away with it is getting out when the timeline says the shooter would still be up there. Then even if they are seen exiting, nobody will make anything of it.



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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 12:31 AM
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The fire door alarm that brought the guards to the floor is the "smoking gun" here. (Ironic, considering how many actual literally smoking guns there were in the hotel room.)

The official story can posit no explanation for the fire door to have been propped open. Paddock had no reason to prop it open. At 64, he wasn't going to be carrying any heavy bags of ammunition up 23 flights of stairs.

But, if he or someone else was asked to prop it open so the real shooters could get in unseen, that fits perfectly.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 04:16 AM
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I dont think a drone was used. The gunfire that sounded eleveated was not that elevated and not really that far away.


The gun you hear in this video sounds like a beltfed M240. And it sounds like it is Down by the stage somewhere.

To be able to hide a weapon like this is not easy. The muzzleflash from this weapon would really light up and give away its position.

The only Source that could hide something like this in the open are bright-lights/floodlights.

My Guess is that this weapon is hidden underneath the stage roof, behind the floodlights.

I also think this weapon just fired blanks. Because if this weapon is Down by the stage a lot more People would have been killed. I think the loud weapon we can hear in this video is just used to scare and confuse the People.




posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 04:48 AM
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a reply to: spy66

M240 or any other automatic rifle would have torn up the ground, astro turf, fences, concrete block walls etc. You don't see any lights getting shot out, tents rippling - nothing to indicate bullets striking the ground. Given the long strings of rhythmic fire it does sound exactly like an M240 set at 650 rpm (slowest setting), sounds exactly like it did in training because that's the one they use to minimize ammunition expenditure.

With all those thousands of lights around the odds of not hitting one is beyond reality. If you were shooting close I agree the best place to do it from would be above those floodlights on stage.

The reason I keep going back to shots coming from the sky whether it was from drones or choppers is because nobody is filming up. Shots coming in from a near vertical position would be impossible to locate by sound and many witnesses say they felt like the shooters were chasing them. They would run but the shots would still be getting closer. I don't think that would happen if the only shots were coming from Mandalay Bay.

I haven't even started on the esoteric stuff about why this was a ritual sacrifice but if people can't see the pyramid, sphinx, the "twin towers" which were leftover from an abandoned construction project along with the devil horns handsign in red on the side of the stage then I guess they don't want to see it. Forget that Paddocks brother lived at 322 (skull and bones), Stephen was age 64 (2 x 32), there's 33 degrees of masonry. Even the Illuminati card game is in it because Aldean had a jack and an ace tattoo on his left arm (11) with a black hole sun above it. Really in our faces. Did you know the word paddock means toad - a witches familiar in the Shakespeare dictionary?


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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Why use drones when you could just build a sniper's nest in a hotel overlooking an open air concert? Why involve so much tech? The more tech, the more people know about it and, hence, more potential whistle blowers. Occam's razor kinda slashes this one to ribbons, doesn't it? (Nice touch getting NASA into it, though.)



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

The title is from the video. I don't get where NASA is involved or somehow I missed it.
The drone part is speculative I agree, I think helicopters are just as likely.
The rest of his information and the narrative he lays out fits it very nicely.
A far cry from the nonsense the media has been feeding everyone.
I'm all ears if you come across a better theory that includes all the information Armani does.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 05:07 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Problem is Armani is simply not reliable. He was asked to leave because he may have been manufacturing "clues." There are good reasons why crime scenes are made off limits. My hunch is that organized crime is involved, which is why the casino and Las Vegas police are sweating. The Mob built Vegas, and an investigation might turn up embarrassing facts.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 05:38 AM
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M240 or any other automatic rifle would have torn up the ground, astro turf, fences, concrete block walls etc. You don't see any lights getting shot out, tents rippling - nothing to indicate bullets striking the ground.


Correct. That is the same observation i have made. This weapon would have ripped the Place apart. That is also why i think it just fired blanks.




The reason I keep going back to shots coming from the sky whether it was from drones or choppers is because nobody is filming up.


Initially i thought they had this gun on top of one of the pillars behind the stage. And that it was mechanical and Remote driven from a different location, do to the rate of fire this gun had. But i dont think this set up was all that sophisticated, because of the logistiks that would imply. The bigger the set up the harder it is to hide and to get away With.





Shots coming in from a near vertical position would be impossible to locate by sound and many witnesses say they felt like the shooters were chasing them.


A weapon With a suppressor is very hard to get a referance to even at ground Level. It was rounds from a suppressed AR type weapons we actually heard flying arround the spectators. The reason they thought that they were being chased is because they could hear the subsonick rounds getting closer to them. The actual shooters was not moving they were sviping the spectators from back stage.






I haven't even started on the esoteric stuff about why this was a ritual sacrifice but if people can't see the pyramid, sphinx, the "twin towers" which were leftover from an abandoned construction project along with the devil horns handsign in red on the side of the stage then I guess they don't want to see it. Forget that Paddocks brother lived at 322 (skull and bones), Stephen was age 64 (2 x 32), there's 33 degrees of masonry. Even the Illuminati card game is in it because Aldean had a jack and an ace tattoo on his left arm (11) with a black hole sun above it. Really in our faces. Did you know the word paddock means toad - a witches familiar in the Shakespeare dictionary?


The motive behind this event could be very interesting to fallow. There is no doubt about that.

Who ever did this are protected by many different layer of government and the Law.




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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 06:13 AM
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Here's a video debunking the helicopter theory:
(I know, shooting down my own pet theory)
ETA: after watching the helicopter tour promos I noticed they fly the opposite direction of the choppers we see in the concert footage.
Explanation? Pilots?


Towards the end of the video you notice how quiet these new choppers are. Of course the government has even quieter models at their disposal. What's interesting is the helicopter noise becomes loudest as the tail rotor turns towards you. Given they are supposed to be flying this loop which is seen to go well South of the Mandalay bay then proceeding North well West of the strip. According to the loop pattern they probably shouldn't be close enough to be heard on any videos but on landing approach they could be closer. Might have to check out their flight plan to see. Will add if I can find it.

Here's a promo:
Seems they fly close enough we should be hearing them yet most videos we don't.


Full flight for anyone interested:

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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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Additional video links:

Las Vegas radio communications - multiple shooters.
www.liveleak.com...

LAS VEGAS SHOOTING EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT AS SEEN FROM WITHIN THE MANDALAY BAY HOTEL (*echo canyon) - sounds of automatic fire) From balcony?
www.youtube.com...

Running from concert through gates on East side. See first group rush to exit after Aldean says "we're going to pick it up".
www.youtube.com...

Las Vegas Witness:"I saw the first person shot" | Two Shooters?
www.youtube.com...
Interview by FOX channel 5 live at 1:45 am. at corner of Polaris and Hacienda. Girl states she saw the first victim fall behind her and took off running leaving friends behind when more shooting followed. Says she "definitely thought" there were multiple shooters, seemed to follow her as she ran towards the airport. Could still hear shots from inside the airport (unsure if building or grounds). * Girl seems very composed, not disturbed or exhausted. Hair and clothes seem normal. Begins to smile several times later in interview. Doesn't seem authentic.

Gio Rios - Las Vegas Eyewitness Report of Multiple Shooters at the Tropicana and NyNy
www.youtube.com...

Las Vegas Shooting Eyewitness Orrora Monroe of Detroit at Planet Hollywood, hears shot at Yollo's Mexican restaurant. Says gunfire was within half a block. Brother said shootings reported at Bellagio and Aria by phone. Bomb threat at the Luxor hotel, Homeland Security present. Heard on emergency radio paramedics were being shot at at the Tropicana. She saw no MSM in her area.Said that cashier had a cousin working security who said a shooter was in the crowd.
www.youtube.com...

ACTIVE SHOOTER PLANET HOLLYWOOD
www.facebook.com...
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posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 10:52 AM
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Are you people really buying this story for Vin Armani?? I was wondering where I knew this guy from and I found it...


He is a fame whore from a stupid obscure show on Showtime about being a gigolo...Watch for yourself..


HAHA this guy Vin is a total joke!! I really need a better source!!

LMFAO






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