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what about the people who were christian antagonist and recorded things about Jesus and his followers and/or natural disasters surrounding a certain death; Thallus, Tacticus, Suetonius, Lucian, Josephus, Letter of Mara Bar Serapian, Pliny the Younger,
Imagine yourself a descendant once or twice removed from the most important figure next to God himself, where belief in the glory of the second in command grants you everlasting life in heaven. Do you, extol his virtues; preach; write or dictate to others his works and miracles, or do you say nothing and content yourself with obscurity? The latter is highly unlikely, for such is the nature of man…to brag, despite the mortal consequences.
Originally posted by malice_devious
About Tacticus, 80 years is not so far away from the events. the children would still remember who Jesus was.
Originally posted by jake1997
Lets not forget a few others from that time who certainly wrote about Him
Mark
Mathew
Luke
John
Paul
Peter
Jude
James
John
Those have all be brought INTO one book....but they were separate at the time,
Originally posted by malice_devious
About Tacticus, 80 years is not so far away from the events. the children would still remember who Jesus was.
so there were people alive to correct any errors that might have been recorded.
the changes in the word procurator from prefect could have just been made out of revision, possibly how today instead of thou we say you.
is it not possible that the eclipse could have been their darkness? why does it have to be christian wishful thinking? what if at the death of jesus there was an eclipse that caused the darkness?
your right, jesus did not raise a ruckus in rome, but Paul did, sometime after his encounter with Jesus. that changed him from a murderrer of christians to following christ himself.
it is said that things were added removed, who knows for sure but the link doesnt convince me either way because who knows what was removed and what wasnt.
what king of their own did the jews murder? honestly, i cant think of any other than Jesus that he could be referring to.
again 80 years, still witnesses alive.
Originally posted by Iasion
There is NO evidence for Jesus.
There are NO witnesses to Jesus.
Iasion
2Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,
7Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
15Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.
Iasion: You are so transparent -
* you WANT to believe there were witnesses still alive,
* you believe there COULD have been witnesses still alive
* you therefore believe there WERE witnesses still alive
* therefore there is witnesses to Jesus.
What a laugh.
There is NO evidence for Jesus.
There are NO witnesses to Jesus.
You provide no evidence, just beliefs.
If Jesus didnt exist then I guess that his whole Genealogy was made up as well,
and there are lots of important historical figures in his Genealogy
that you would have to say were all invented, and to believe that its all a lie somebody invented is redicules and embarrassing.
Every philosopher, wise man, inventor, discoverer, profet, spiritual leader, has write some thing, a theory, some wisdom, an invention, a discovery, a prophecy, a message. And by doing this has recorded there names in history. all man have done this with the exception of one JESUS CHRIST the son of GOD the son of the UNIVERSE
never wrote anything all we know of him was recorded by others who were impacted by him and testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.
And yet not one man can be compared to him the man that divided history the man that resurrected from the dead.
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God
I declare victory :-)
Originally posted by Sevenstars_777
Wow you are Ignorant jesus other genealogy is on his mother's side how embarrassing you must fill.
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I have included astronomers on the list who might have mentioned the Star of Bethlehem and/or the darkness at the crucifixion - if they had heard of them. This is a lesser issue then the existence of Jesus, and I have rated such writers as 0.5.
Originally posted by Iasion
saint4God -
Well,
because it's a hot-button issue I guess.
I get attacked enedlessly by ignorant, if passionate, believers, so my tone tend to
be honed to a sharp edge over time.
Originally posted by saint4God
I see. So this is all some sort of back-lashing 'revenge' then against those people, yes?