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The Left’s Sirens Are Already Hinting Our Culture Wars Will End In Another Civil War

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posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 10:08 PM

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: infolurker

Everyone who wants a war never thinks about who might win and what will happen to the ones who lose.

Then again, the only people who really want war are the ones who have never had to ####ing fight in one.

Peace at all costs.

edit on 10/13/17 by Gothmog because: too crass even for me

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 04:05 AM
a reply to: infolurker

Just what the liberals are spending money hand over fist for,to try and start civil war,that way can declare martial law,then everyone is screwed,then they control everything

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 06:24 AM
The Democratic party and liberals are absolutely not beating war drums.

The only people doing that are the far-right, who you see on ATS, positively salivating at the thought of getting to take their guns and go put down some darn libruhls.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 11:40 AM
a reply to: infolurker

Thanks for this OP, one of the very best on ATS in quite some time.

I'd like to add more, but its really too much for me to wrap my mind around at the moment.

From your link I noted this:

Seen in that light, the radicalization of Democrats is something qualitatively different, and much more dangerous, than the radicalization of Republicans. It means, among other things, that the culture war is now going to encompass everything, and that it will never end.

I'd kind of like to think that rather than a "civil" war, what the Leftists intend to do is to prosecute an endless culture war. And actually, they're already doing that and through the likes of BLM and Antifa, they've accelerated their efforts. All Coates really knows and understands is his growing hatred, fear and loathing of the "white" establishment and the "whites" that perpetuate it at the ballot box. What Coates doesn't understand is how to end the wealth gap he perceives as the major component of inequality. All he really understands is how to beggar and rob the white middle class which he loathes as supporters of the white establishment.

One of the biggest problems for the Leftists, as I see it, is that they're winning the "culture" war, but they've yet to figure out how to thoroughly beggar the white middle class and how to confiscate their wealth and property and redistribute it to the venerable downtrodden peoples of color. From his comments, I'd suggest Coates is thinking this can only be accomplished via a Leftist take-over of the government. The problem he doesn't see with this is the Military Industrial Complex that is part and parcel of the Deep State which will never willingly surrender their grip on the government.

What's more likely, and we're actually already seeing it happen, is that the MIC/Deep State will offer up as sacrifice the white middle class via the taking of their lives and the continued terrorizing of their communities by the likes of Antifa and BLM. So, we've already seen the cops standing down and the embrace of the "Ferguson Effect" where cops have abandoned proactive policing. We can see the results of the well documented Ferguson Effect at:

At the end of the day, the real problem for the Leftists is that while they will doubtless win the political war and the culture war, by the time they've done so..........the white middle class they hate so much will have evaporated. The old will have died, the not-so-old will have retired away from their loathsome Urban areas, and the young will have moved to the STEM corridors or Mexico, or India or .........wherever their lil' ole hearts desire......Canada comes to mind. At the same time, the open borders immigration policy will have relegated the old concept of "peoples of color" to the junk yard as Hispanics, Indians, Chinese and Muslims slowly but surely seize the reigns of power and control.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 11:59 AM
a reply to: ketsuko

Along what divide???

All the cities are left and the rural areas right?!?!

You can’t build a country like that..

In the civil war there was a north/south divide..

There they had s way to actually draw the lines of separation.

That doesn’t exist here...

If anyone tried, they would have to deal with crazy rebellions from half of whatever land they seize..

It’s called logistics..

If ANYONE put about a table spoon of deductive reasoning into ANY of these garbage conspiracy theories. There would be no garbage conspiracy theory..

All that said, good luck in the fantasy situation where it did happen..

Basiclly all the population centers are left.. all the major economic and manufacturing centers as well.

So it would be just like the American Civil War. With the right being horribly out gunned and out numbered.

But nothing like that happens.. trump will likely not run again, and all the conspiracy crowd has slowly but surely started turning on trump and the gop. As happens every single cycle..

You can’t have crazy illuminati type conspiracies with your guy in charge unless he is in on it.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 12:18 PM
a reply to: TonyS

The thought that there is some monolithic organization called “the left” that is in some vast interconnected conspiracy is just ridiculous..

It is the most blantant BS strawman in history. That they specifically don’t put a face on so they can apply it to anything and any one..

What would it logistically take to convince all the scientists, intellectuals, college professors, teachers, unions, media , exc to lie for you consistantly??

An act of god???

The truth is that all of those people just disagree.. mainly because every conservative talking point I can think of is a logical fallacy that would get you laughed out of even a high school debate class..

Not one elected democrat in history has ever once said they wanted to repeal the second amendment nor ban all the guns .. not one.. in history..

Why?? Because it would be suicide and no law enforcement body would ever be willing to enforce it..

No elected official has ever said people should be able to marry animals..

Shiria law was never comming to America..

It is propaganda meant for stupid people that an once of deductive reasoning would see right through..

Which is why none of the scientists or intellectuals are conservatives, not because of some ridiculous illuminati type conspiracy.

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posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 12:33 PM
a reply to: Painterz

I agree it never happens and the right wing types are just mentally masterbating over some Rambo fantasy..

However I think they maybe forgetting that only about 20% of the population considers themselves conservatives and that most of those are above fighting age. All the economic centers are “left leaning”..

About the only “win” they would have was food production...

And I think that is even pushing it..

Any left/right war would be worse for the right, than the civil war was for the confederacy.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 12:58 PM
The NEO -WIEMAR republic isn't capable,only loud.
If they surpass LEOs TOO greatly ,some might begin to operate on them.
I would GUESS the eyes aren't on them on larger cities by civilians,but I WONDER how a federal agency will take down "DODGE CITY" in various urban cesspools?
It's not happening here I guess they're afraid of vigilantes wiping out various minority communities where gangs hide or trailer communities.
I won't bother, I know how to shoot when THEY come to me,I really don't expect that company from kids playing political, fascists,cause they're TOO stupid to see they're duped.

IRAQS surrendering was more scary folks.
EVEN the LOUSIEST soldier could've CLEANED Patty Hursts clock ..probably by a good slapping,so PLEASE, we are in the six digits strong,OUTSIDE service.
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posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 01:05 PM
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Agree. Not going to happen. First most of my liberal friends tend to be highly educated and working professionally as doctors lawyers etc. most of my conservative friends tend to be in finance and independent in business. This notion that Antifa/BLM and/or neo nazi group are going to attract the majority of Americans into a violent civil war is fantasy. They call it the silent majority for a reason. The loudest they get is yelling at a TV with Fox News

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 01:39 PM
Ya see, here's the problem with this article and this is just a paragraph.

The rapid radicalization of Democrats along these lines follows a ruthless logic about the entire premise of the American constitutional order. If you believe, as progressives increasingly do, that America was founded under false pretenses and built on racial oppression, then why bother conserving it? And why bother trying to compromise with those on the other side, especially if they reject progressives’ unifying theory that America is forever cursed by its original sin of slavery, which nothing can expiate?

Ya see, it WAS oppression, plain and simple, you can rationalize it like the article's author is, but black people where 3/5ths of a person (didnt have rights, the author glazed over that) all the while the Native Americans where being wiped out. Only white men (wealthy white men) had any power in the newly born system of capital democracy and even then ish was being centralized to the few, the proud, the connected.

Black people didn't have equal until 50 years ago, so, this author needs a history lesson or something, i don't know why people think ish was copacetic or something back in the day but racism and prejudice was real in the field back in the day and I mean "let's hang a 'n-word' from a tree and let's kill black people to stop them from voting".

Another thing, black people (i am one btw) that are in the know don't listen to no damn Ta-Nehisi Coates, she gets sliced up and down on the regular, she is not a representative of anyone but herself and her asinine opinions do nothing but circle jerk everyone "in the club", the author of the article needs to gtfo. Do not try and peddle her viewpoints on others, it's no different than me hearing Rush Limbaugh and saying all white republicans think that way.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 01:50 PM
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Man, I must have really hit a nerve.

The thought that there is some monolithic organization called “the left” that is in some vast interconnected conspiracy is just ridiculous..

The Devil's biggest lie....."I don't exist".

Then again, I didn't say the Leftists were a monolithic organization. They call themselves many things, socialists, Leftists, Progressives, Liberals, Democrat, many different names for the same mind set. Their ideological brain trust works in and through academia; their political power is in the Left wing of the Democrat Party, a Left wing that's soon going to take over the so-called "Democrat" party in terms of leadership and direction.

The truth is that all of those people just disagree.. mainly because every conservative talking point I can think of is a logical fallacy that would get you laughed out of even a high school debate class..

I didn't bring up any "conservative" talking point. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the left because.....I don't have any skin in the game. I'm over 60, my future is in the rear view mirror, I don't give a damn how this turns out. In fact, I find it all rather amusing.

Not one elected democrat in history has ever once said they wanted to repeal the second amendment nor ban all the guns .. not one.. in history.. Why?? Because it would be suicide and no law enforcement body would ever be willing to enforce it..

I never even raised that issue. You remind me of the overly emotional girl-child in class who was always taking the slightest comment as an insult and then flew into a rage: you just can't stay on task.

I also never referenced Sharia Law.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 01:59 PM

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: infolurker
Just what the liberals are spending money hand over fist for,to try and start civil war,that way can declare martial law,then everyone is screwed,then they control everything

Wanna great deal on some tinfoil?

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 02:28 PM

if you listen to this guy long enough in the video, you will hear him mention their revolution, which I assume will be before their north american white homeland.

this was posted on you tube in 2015.

I know that many will find what he is saying quite offensive, so if you don't want to watch the whole thing, skip ahead to around the 38 minute mark, where the guy is asking him about how their gov't would be different from what was around in the 1800's and he says something like, I think we can handle that issue AFTER THE REVOLUTION...

I don't think it's the left that will start any revolution, we don't have militias and we don't have 40 or more guns in our homes, and, even here on ATS, if you read enough threads, I don't get the sense that it's the left that is the threat in that area.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 02:53 PM

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: infolurker

Republicans in the U.S and their familiars the Conservatives in the UK have actually become a lot softer. Trump is hardly recognizable as a Republican. He is more like an old school Democrat.

The Democrats in the U.S and the Labour Party in UK are utterly radicalized. As it stands I was an old school socialist, but now relating better to Trump and the soft Tories. There is no way i am going to vote for anything Liberal even if it hurts my pocket as it is a sick animal right now. It needs to be totally trashed and something more reasonable needs to happen.

In the Liberal domain there is a self hatred thing going on. You will not believe it, but the world they want is my ideal vision from when I was like 26 years old. I know what an idiot I was back then with all my crap ideology and to see it coming from the likes of even the modern Rothschilds and high society is really scary. I REALLY DO NOT THINK THEY KNOW how naive they are. They do not know how dangerous the world is for them. They forget that if the U.S is not militarily strong then Israel will not survive. Without the U.S Israel would be quickly savaged. They are moaning about America and Trump being the next Hitler BUT REALLY HE IS HERE TO SAVE THEIR ASSES if they did but know it. I think they have a weird guilt trip happening and that is why they are all worshiping black people and women just lately. It is like they are running the West as some kind of Wiccan coven of Goddess worship, nature and exoticism. It will end in tears and disaster for sure. I see it clearly because I used to be it myself. I want to warn them, but they will not listen to someone like me.They are in denial about who they are and their culture, what THEY had to do to get their wealth, NOT me and you. We did not do any of that. We are simple people who want to just have a home, a job and a family with some security. We did not whip black people or abuse women.

They have become complacent. It happens to anyone who reclines in the lap of luxury. They become too high above what supports them and do not notice their foundations crumbling. They will not listen because they are haughty and stubborn. Their downfall was figured right at their beginning as it always is.

I don't want to see the West crumbling, but it is doing. My life has been horrible. It has been a waste and it was not my fault. There are millions who have been alienated and wasted just like me. They are much more vengeful and less understanding than me.

These horrid little death rituals they let happen must stop NOW. Enough is enough. If it happens again I expect there will be huge civil disturbances. No more playing with the lives of the masses.

There really is an elite group of people. They are in full public view if you know what to look for. In plain view they reveal their networking and all their contacts. Man, they have no sense of security and how much world hatred there is towards them.

I thought they were much more clever than they are. I could run rings around them with my street cred. All they have over us is that they can orchestrate stuff from up high and have the networking to get orders and protocols obeyed and followed. This does not frighten me even slightly. I want a fair world. I don't want our lives to be played around with and wasted like this.

I'll never be politically violent and I am not vengeful. I forgive. Really, these guys need to sort themselves out or they will end up being taken out. I see something very nasty on the horizon unless we get a fairer society and the MSM stop manipulating us like this. Give us proper news. Give us proper politics. Gives us opportunities. It's not just a club for them and a playground for them to jet around in and not give a # about who is BUYING THEIR TICKET. This world is for us all. I WANT TO PLAY, too and so do billions of other people.

I wish i could tell you what i discovered tonight. It has given me a very clear picture of what is what. I don't hate them. I just want them to get rational and stop being so aloof. They really are in danger like King Louis lost his head and his kingdom. That is what happens when you forget your people, your own identity and are compromised by the illusion of wealth and privilege. It's good to get your self dirty sometimes. i do it all the time. Humility is a great teacher.

They have this new idea they are calling INCLUSIVE CAPITALISM. You may get to hear about it at some point. It is yet another ideology. It will not work because the brutes in the courtyards around them (the Harveys of this world in business and banking) are too many and will only listen to the greed of their own lusts and desires. What a vile world theirs has become.

I love and respect the Rothschilds so please don't get me wrong. I do think that these people have gotten out of touch though, obviously, because almost the whole world are moaning about it. They do not realize just how much they are hurting us all with their financial behavior. They will say they care with lots of nice words about women and black people, but that will not make any difference economically for us in the West. Real help will not come because they will have to dig into their own profits for that. It is passing the buck. it is pretentious and false. It is HYPOCRITICAL.

It's quite the opposite. Both parties have moved towards the right since the 70's. On a global scale, the Democrats are not even close to real left, nor "radical." In fact on foreign policy and economics they are center/center right. The Republicans swung even further and again, on a global scale would be almost far right.

The only quasi radical aspect to American liberalism is identity politics. And I agree that this has gone too far.

posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 07:25 PM

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: olaru12

Absolutely :p

I have no idea how so many people fail for the right wing propaganda..

I can’t think of onetslking point that is not a logical fallacy that would get you laughed out of even a high school debate class..

What is this word?

I think it is supposed to be two words... one talking

I was like "what?" at first too. LOL

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