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All Clintons Fault!

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posted on Apr, 22 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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IDK about greatest ever, economy wise yes, largest surplus, EVER, greatest economy, EVER, and highest value dollar, EVER. Not compared to gold, but compared to useful thing like oil.(Some one in a dif. post pointed out that gold/USD was low, but we stopped using gold when the last king was beheaded, we use oil, electricity, value of things we use instead of shiny metal)

But greatest ever? Well, FDR got us out of the Great Depression. Yep, a Democrat fixed the problem a republican started, the Great Depression. FDR created an America for the people, not the 3% rich fat cats that give more money to republicans then they do in taxes.

George Washington was the one who set the standards, not King, Not All Mighty God, but President of the People. Of course, today's George has changed it to King.

Lincoln(one of the fathers of todays Democrat Republic Party) would not let the Union go, he would not let the South split away just because they considered blacks to be property instead of humans. While many still do, why they vote for republicans, but that's besides the point.

Of course you have the Gadsen Purchase Pres., and the Lousianna Purchase Pres., Oh and Lincoln approved of Stewards Folly, aka buying Alaska. Turns out it wasn't such a folly.....




posted on May, 4 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser

Lincoln(one of the fathers of todays Democrat Republic Party) would not let the Union go, he would not let the South split away just because they considered blacks to be property instead of humans. While many still do, why they vote for republicans, but that's besides the point.

Of course you have the Gadsen Purchase Pres., and the Lousianna Purchase Pres., Oh and Lincoln approved of Stewards Folly, aka buying Alaska. Turns out it wasn't such a folly.....


Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, as many strong leaders are. It took Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Bill. Democrats tried to use their precious filibuster to try to prevent it.

Ronald Reagan is the greatest President ever with Lincoln a close second!



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 05:53 PM
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Lincoln wasn't a republican. Republicans believe in state power, Lincoln believed in Federal Power. Republicans believe they are superior to everyone else, Lincoln knew he was equal.

Uh, last I check Strum Thurmond(sp?) was a republican, well, a Dixie Crat, and later just said fine I'll stop being a wolf in sheeps clothing and admitted "I'm a Republican", and HE held the record for longest filibuster ever! So, get your facts straight there carseller4.



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Lincoln wasn't a republican. Republicans believe in state power, Lincoln believed in Federal Power. Republicans believe they are superior to everyone else, Lincoln knew he was equal.

Uh, last I check Strum Thurmond(sp?) was a republican, well, a Dixie Crat, and later just said fine I'll stop being a wolf in sheeps clothing and admitted "I'm a Republican", and HE held the record for longest filibuster ever! So, get your facts straight there carseller4.


www.strom.clemson.edu...

He was the originator of the 1956 "Southern Manifesto" against the 1954 Supreme Court desegregation ruling. Thurmond holds the record for the longest filibuster in Senate history; he spoke against the 1957 civil rights bill for twenty-four hours, eighteen minutes. He switched from the Democratic to the Republican Party in 1964 and aided Barry Goldwater in his unsuccessful bid for the Presidency against Lyndon Johnson. Thurmond was instrumental in the "southern strategy" that won the White House for Richard M. Nixon in 1968. Thurmond is the author of The Faith We Have Not Kept (1968).


The facts are the facts. Thurmond was a Democrat when he set the record for longest filibuster. He changed to a Republican 7 years after the fact.



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 06:33 PM
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History is great, don't distort it. If it where not for Republicans there would be no civil rights act.


www.congresslink.org...


Senator Richard Russell, Democrat from Georgia, led the so-called opposition forces. The group was also known as the "southern bloc." It was composed of eighteen southern Democrats and one Republican, John Tower of Texas. Although a hopeless minority, the group exerted much influence because Senate rules virtually guaranteed unlimited debate unless it was ended by cloture. The "southern bloc" relied on the filibuster to postpone the legislation as long as possible, hoping that support for civil rights legislation throughout the country would falter. The Democratic leadership and Humphrey could not control the southern wing of the party.

The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.

The Republican pro-civil rights forces were blessed with gifted leadership.

Two days later, the Senate passed the bill by a 73 to 27 roll call vote. Six Republicans and 21 Democrats held firm and voted against passage.



posted on May, 4 2005 @ 09:11 PM
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He wasn't a democrat, he was a dixie crat, also known as republican party. Sorry, but twisting the facts is not something you are good at.



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
He wasn't a democrat, he was a dixie crat, also known as republican party. Sorry, but twisting the facts is not something you are good at.


According to you Lincoln was a Democrat, and Thurmond was always a Republican? So who is twisting history?

The dixiecrat party was never an official party.



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 11:40 AM
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Let's see, Republicans believe in State Power, Lincoln in Federal Power. Republicans believe in white males superior, Lincoln didn't. Gee, wonder what party he was... Also, if you take any government class in school you learn the creation of the political parties, how the democrats were originally the Democrat Republicans, starting in the Free Soil republicans and get this, Lincoln republicans. Now, I am sure everyone in America is wrong, you are right......

Dixiecrat, also in government class, was republican party but they didn't want to admit they were part of the rep. party so made up dixiecrat. Later they all went over to rep. party when they didn't care about siding with the devil.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Clinton had only been in office about three months at this point, how can he be held responsible for those developments if Bush is not held responsible for the development which took place during his four years in office?


So by that reasoning it wasn't George Bush's fault the Clinton economy collapsed less than three months into his first term. How could he even have had an economy by then?

Both Clinton and Bush are #ty Presidents. They both had terrorist attacks that led to draconian legislation during their reign. (All three of the attacks have, according to conspiracy theorists, government fingerprints all over them.) They both have a bad economy. One was a farse, the other doesn't exist.

FDR and Lincoln? Please fight over the merits of those two. FDR put the country on the course of the Axis powers, and Lincoln tried to arrest the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Both superior human beings.


Freedom fighters both of them.


www.fff.org...
One of the best examples was Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, which in large part mirrored the economic policies that Hitler was implementing to get Germany out of the Depression. That’s why it’s not a coincidence that the photograph of the man with the pointy helmet on the U.S. Social Security Administration’s website is not Thomas Jefferson but rather Otto von Bismarck, the “iron chancellor” ony. Social Security, which the Roosevelt administration enacted inf Germa the 1930s, had originated with Bismarck, who himself had gotten the idea from German socialists in the late 1800s. Social Security was also a key part of Hitler’s economic program.



www.lewrockwell.com...
An event such as this happened in the first months of the Lincoln administration when Abraham Lincoln issued an arrest warrant for Chief Justice Roger B. Taney after the 84-year-old judge issued an opinion that only Congress, not the president, can suspend the writ of habeas corpus. Lincoln had declared the writ null and void and ordered the military to begin imprisoning thousands of political dissenters. Taney’s opinion, issued as part of his duties as a circuit court judge in Maryland, had to do with the case of Ex Parte Merryman (May 1861). The essence of his opinion was not that habeas corpus could not be suspended, only that the Constitution requires Congress to do it, not the president. In other words, if it was truly in "the public interest" to suspend the writ, the representatives of the people should have no problem doing so and, in fact, it is their constitutional prerogative.


Real conservative Republicans (libertarians) are the only people that have a voice in our legislation that do anything that you all crow about. People like Bob Barr and Ron Paul actually fight against the garbage you're all scared of. I rest on my laurels that most of you straight ticket people vote for #ers that vote for Patriot Acts and corporations (yet cry about them, because you don't follow what the # your legislators do). The solid core of people that protect our freedom are Republicans. Unfortunately because of sycophantic people more of them don't get elected.

Brag about garbage Presidents that don't serve America's interest. Bill Clinton fought a couple "illegal" wars too. Kosovo? Somalia? Aspirin Factory? Chinese Embassy? Get real. Ya, that economy was great until it fell the # apart.

Sycophants that think Anne Coulter is the devil #ing incarnate yet don't realize Michael Moore is her exact yet polar opposite deserve a police state.

I'm I the only person that sees this?



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by PistolPete
I'm I the only person that sees this?


There are a few of us that do but not many.

I truly fear for the future of my beloved country



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Pistol Pete, either the bombing under Clinton was his fault for under his reign, meaning that 9/11 that happened under Bush was Bush's fault, or vice versa.

Of course, different circumstances. Was CLinton given any warnings? Any documents saying it was going to happen? Did Clinton cut millions from the FBI Anti-Terror budget? Did Clinton tell the FBI to shut up about terrorism? No? Well, uinlike Bush, seems to me it was under Clinton, but not his fault. Or anyones. Clinton wasn't given a chance to stop anything, was he? He didn't do anything to cause it like cut millions from the Anti-Terror budget or telling FBI to shove off about terrorism. So the 1993 WTC attack not his fault, or Bush Sr., or the govenor of NY, no ones. It would be like saying it was the Presidents fault for Charles Manson, or Ted Bundy. Random acts of violence can't be blamed on anyone but the person who did it.

But Bush? He had chances to stop it. He was given time. He was given documents telling him exactly that OBL was going to attack with airplanes. What does he do with this information? Tells FBI to bugger off and then cuts millions from the FBI Anti-Terror budget. He then goes on vacation while the FBI keeps trying to get him to listen about OBL attacking the US.

But republicans? All CLintons fault, he didn't do anything. "He wasn't the president then. He had no power, there was nothing he could do." SHUT UP!!!! Baloalalalalb;lsdvoiwfiaburfiawbrfgiqeqb rfgbip;l BOOM! Heads explode from all the blood rushing to it.

Also, to PP, yeah, Licoln did some bad stuff. But what good did he do? Saved the Union, freed the slaves, approved the purchase of Alaska from Russia, little things like that. Also, unlike what republicans say, anyone who has taken a government class knows Dem=Fed Power, Rep=State Power. Lincoln supported Fed Power meaning Lincoln=Democrat. That is the main base of the parties. Yes thee is abortion, guns, taxes, whatever. But the base, the FOUNDATION of the parties is FedvsState. In fact, his isuing the warrent is another form of Fed Power over State Power. The Civil War is a base of FedvsState. States said we want to be 30 some nations seperate from everyone.(there weren't 50 states yet) Lincoln said One House with 30 some people in it.(there weren't 50 states yet)

FDR. He did some radical things, like Social Security. But at that time it wasn't Hitler he was basing it off of, there was a third party, the Socialist American Party, that wanted that. So he took their idea and said "Hey! look at what I came up with to help the people!" Also, republican gave him the GD, he made it into THEE Super Power.

But best president? Nixon did some good things in the Cold War, but being a republican he was corrupt and had to resign. Clinton gave us the greatest economy ever, everything good up everything bad down or gone. FDR saved the nation from what republicans did to it. Grant did nothing, not that he had alot to work with. He spent more time fighting with congress then he did fighting Lee in the Civil War. George Washington was Great for he set up 2 term rule(wasn't a law, just served 2 terms which was followed by most, Teddy Roosevelt tried for more, but failed, but his relative FDR broke the 2 term rule, which was then made law), not king or god but a worker for the people given power by the people.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by James the Lesser]

[edit on 16-5-2005 by James the Lesser]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 12:18 AM
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Clinton also inspired the best 50 State Quarter design EVER:




posted on May, 17 2005 @ 01:12 AM
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That can't be real..... If it is, GREAT! If not, make a petition to make it real!

California quarter be two gay guys! And the Texas/Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada quarters be mexicans taking jobs from Americans. Alaska be oil spill killing all wildlife. Hawaii be two gays guys getting married.(legal there last I heard)

In fact lets change all the quarters! All Southern/CSA/Slave state quarters either have blacks working in the feilds, hanging from a tree, or KKK guys.

All New England state quarters be people happy and free and IDK, drinking tea while going to the best colleges in the country.

The North West Central Eastern(Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnissota((sp?)) and other frozen hell hole states will be people freezing their buns off in different positions.

North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, other flat states will be just that, flat. Nothing on the other side.

Colorado be mountains, Oregon and Washington be, IDK, what they got that is good/bad?

That all the states? I think I got them all.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
but being a republican he was corrupt and had to resign.


And this is all I have to quote from you. Because you're a little kid and buy into all the liberal "sheeple" bull# you can find. You know nothing of politics of the 70's, why even try to #ing pretend you do? I don't, you shouldn't. That's why they say Stuart Smalley to you...mostly an 80's thing, and you have no idea. Exactly.

You believe FDR a noble man, yet he put the United States on the course of the Axis powers, by his own #ing admission. He lied about Pearl Harbor and Knew of it like you believe Bush and 9/11. Marge Schott said Hitler had some good ideas and got banned from the game of baseball for a year. FDR took the United States down the path of the AXIS POWERS YET GOT RE-ELECTED TO four terms...and fought a war against them at the same time. Good thing he only put the Japanese in prison camps. There would have been hell to pay otherwise. Damn Japanese.


What did Clinton know when he knew it? More than likely plenty. His Domestic Terrorism Act of 1995 would not have been passed if it weren't for OKC. And it's public #ing record that the Ryder truck wasn't the only bomb in the building (unlike the newly found structural engineers with the WTCenters). Governor Frank Keating of Oklahoma even mentioned more than one bomb. Along with several affidavits and reports from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

Waco, OKC, the first WTC attack, Kosovo, Somalia, "anti-terror" bombings, the bubble economy......all occured during Bill Clintons reign. Yet he's #ing infallable and George Bush is a goat? Please. Play partisan politics till the cows come home, it's obvious no single political entity is the undoing of America. And it's along time till a Republicrat can undo it. However.....

You *edit* will let it happen and we will deserve it.

P.S. Amuk....it's getting critical I fear. No one can see past political divides, even if they're 60, 70, 140 year old divides. It just doesn't matter any more. Blue is good, red is bad and visa versa.

[edit on (5/17/0505 by PistolPete]

*edited personal remarks*

[edit on 17-5-2005 by Amuk]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Clinton also inspired the best 50 State Quarter design EVER:




I am FROM ARKANSAS and I vote for this quarter Clinton or no Clinton


It sums up the things I love about my home....the beautiful wilderness and the.........friendly people



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 01:08 PM
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I moved this to slug-fest and would ask yall to tone down the personal remarks



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 01:23 PM
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Wait, you go after the Tricky Dick Nixon(who was corrupt, the whole watergate scandal sound familiar?) but not the Grant/Lee thing? Grant fought Lee very little, for the most part he was out west/central while Lee was on the coast/Washington D.C. area. They fought very little, if I had wanted to make it correct I should have said "Grant fought with Congress even more then Lincoln fought with his Generals" for Lincoln had quite a few who were well, not very good. Main one, George Brinton McClellan, kept "training" his army until Lincoln told him to either use the army or let Lincoln borrow it for awhile. A couple, like Grant, were what Lincoln needed. Hell, when others said Grant was a drunk, Lincoln said "Find out what he drinks and give it to all my men."

Or, for the 2008 Elections, all red states(from 2004 election) have quarters where they have people blindfolded, earmuffs, and mouths taped shut as Jeb Bush does the Hitler Salute. For the north the people are smiling, happy, and Mrs. Clinton arms open in a warm hug.

[edit on 17-5-2005 by James the Lesser]



posted on Jul, 20 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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I love it. Let's see where to start.


First of all that quarter is the funniest thing I've seen since the CD-ROM that came out before Clinton's first term of him playing tenor sax "The Prez Blows" only they really were going to call it it "The Prez Gets A Blow Job." Unfortunately their market censors prohibited this title.

Genghis Khan's fault ha ha ha that's good. I almost fell out of my chair.


Now, let me take on the Korean issue firstly. Yes MacArthur made a boo-boo on that one. We can beat the Koreans easily enough if were ONLY the Koreans, but can we beat the Koreans supplied by endless communist Chinese (and Russians at the time)? He got a bit carried away after beating the Japanese unfortunately.

Who's fault is it? Well who's fault is what specifically. It's quite clear that Clinton carried out the first trade agreement where we actually taught the Koreans how to build a light water nuclear power plant. I wasn't paying much to international affairs at the time but I can't believe people who were in power didn't anticipate the possibility that they wouldn't take it to the next level! Were Bush and Reagan involved in these agreements? Absolutely not. They were adamantly against any such thing. Incredible, we actually TRAINED them how to do this.


Cowboy CIA rogue states? Ok well clearly Afghanistan and Iraq were in this category. Korea was NOT. I can't believe you would stake such a mindless claim.


Lincoln WAS a Republican.

sc94.ameslab.gov...

"In February 1860, Lincoln made his first major political appearance in the Northeast when he addressed a rally at the Cooper Union in New York. He was now sufficiently well known to be a presidential candidate. At the Republican national convention in Chicago in May, William H. Seward was the leading candidate. Seward, however, had qualities that made him undesirable in the critical states the Republicans had lost in 1856: Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois, and New Jersey. As a result Lincoln won the nomination by being the second choice of the majority."

The Republican party of Lincoln was the hero party, the party opposed to slavery. The party of Calvin Coolidge, when Vermont (where I am living now) was Republican before all of the hippies moved in in the 60's. In fact I have a friend writing a book about this topic. The party of Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Hoover, Ulysses Grant!

Hell, here's the full list of Republican presidents:
18. George Bush the son ''W'': 2001
17. George Bush: 1989-1993
16. Ronald Reagan: 1981-1989
15. Gerald Ford: 1974-1977
14. Richard Nixon: 1969-1974
13. Dwight David Eisenhower: 1953-1961
12. Herbert Hoover: 1929-1933
11. Calvin Coolidge: 1923-1929
10. Warren Harding: 1921-1923
9. William Taft: 1909-1913
8. Theodore Roosevelt: 1901-1909
7. William McKinley: 1897-1901
6. Benjamin Harrison: 1889-1893
5. Chester Arthur: 1881-1885
4. James Garfield: 1881
3. Rutherford Hayes: 1877-1881
2. Ulysses Grant: 1869-1877
1. Abraham Lincoln: 1861-1865

members.tripod.com...



Now, then there is a common thread for liberals to blame all major world conflicts on cowboy politics. This is sort of silly because the delicate balance of world affairs is such that if we meddle, it might blow up on us, but if we don't meddle, it might blow up on us worse. There are no cookbooks for mediating the third world dictatorship. It's easy for us to say what Democratic countries should do, and to condone Communism, but what do we do about Fidel Castro? Chavez? The re-emergence of the Sendero Luminoso in Bolivia? Chechnya? Bin Laden?

Some people say if we had gone in after Adolf Hitler alot earlier the devastation would have been significantly less. What if we had not gone after Saddam Hussein? Do you think it really would be better?


We all know that Bill Clinton waffled on Bin Laden. The CIA had him in their sights and they waffled. Clinton had multiple opportunities to eliminate BL before he became problematic. He sold the Koreans nuclear technology. George Tenet, Clinton's CIA appointee, was the one that screwed up the WMD claims.

Where was Clinton in these situations? Well the quarter seems to speak for itself ...



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