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Congress warned North Korean EMP attack would kill '90% of all Americans'

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posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 08:21 AM
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My only concern would be that the diesel engines and electronics that power the cooling pools of nuclear power plants be properly faraday caged. When mass melt downs of core reactors takes place thats a real problem.




posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Ansuzrune

I would hope the engineers and the Govt regs ensure a plan to keep these baby's cool.

But who would have guessed the genius Japanese would have put their system in such a numb nuts place with kindergartners style thinking the backup gens locations.

If I know industry, and I do. I am very concerned with this too.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: DexterRiley

If the transceivers for servicing the bird are dead, GPS signals will decay over time because the single satelites run out of sync. A charged up ionosphere could prevent propper communication. The clocks need to be synced manually now and then.


Interesting. So, if I understand you correctly, then the tracking stations outside of CONUS don't have the ability to tweak the satellites that the Master Control station does?

There is supposed to be a backup Master Control station somewhere. Is it located in the CONUS as well?

There are a couple of international efforts to put GPS birds in the sky. How well would they be able to provide navigational signals to receivers on the surface? In other words, how well would the remaining Global Positioning System function in the absence of the American birds?

Thanks
-dex



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

From what I understand, they would tap into the strategic petroleum reserve if necessary, but even that is finite.

A lot would depend on the location and type of blast as to what and how extensive the damage would be, but it could be very very bad for anyone on the hemisphere above which such detonations occur. I think a lot of people might have the idea that such an attack would only affect CONUS and not realize it could very well extend beyond our political borders to surrounding countries as well.



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: seasonal
the u.s. has detonated nuclear bombs in our atmosphere before. what makes this so different?

isn't a bomb just a bomb?



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 06:06 PM
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Optimistic pessimism?

Speaking from a financially challenged position, it doesnt look as black as its painted and Im assuming the american sub-poverty line people will be much the same most places.

We always had to do with no AC and most of the time any heating was minimal, just ask the pensioners who died every year in their homes. Dietary requirements are much more frugal, being more noodles and sausage against Filet Mignon?
Dont know how we are going to keep the wine at the right temp though. Remember the tramp in Day After Tomorrow? "Always something to eat in the trash", not quite tht far but most would be grateful for what they can scavenge, the young ones will be too busy squeeling Eeewwe! NFWay! Or OMG etc.

Here in the UK we dont have the arms question to fret over, but thats going to set 'protectors' against 'Looters'.
Should things get all Denzel Washington, I would have to consider the 'out' option if offered as a last resort from the govt. Preppers do have a head start, those who could afford that. But for us mere mortals we would have to look at the budget option. Hand tools you can use and spares to trade etc. I heard a Yugoslavian guy who sorted out some refillable gas lighters and a way to refill them, that gave him a valued and renewable resource.

Home brew water filtering = you can supply/trade potable water.
Old type Handcart = you provide a working transport system for water, firewood, food supplies.
Firewood = have you any idea how much your local park is going to be attacked right from the start?
Large well built and straight men = essential security for your your growing family.
The Ham Radio buff = comms for contact bewteen groups re available resources. (most of these guys are aware of the need for hardening against EMP too.

Just check on YT how some are surviving in Detroit outlands, other places will be the same, if the can get by, so can you. And YOU need only survive, you dont need to score drugs, drink etc So the Walking Dead should thin out quicker.

I just hope Ive gone a little 'Chicken Little' and that Ill die on schedule in a few years or so.



posted on Oct, 17 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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I'm more afraid of nuclear warfare



posted on Oct, 18 2017 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: seasonal
the u.s. has detonated nuclear bombs in our atmosphere before. what makes this so different?

isn't a bomb just a bomb?


Way I understand it is it's all about proximity. If it's close enough and strong enough it will get what it can within it's range. To totally knock out the country I would imagine would take more than just one. But I will admit I am no expert on the subject.



posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 02:24 AM
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a reply to: DexterRiley
It´s not about where the tracking stations are if the servicing transceivers are dead, for example. The signals from those will decay (more and more inaccurate timestamps). The GPS receivers on earth will have a hard a time calculating correct positions (let´s not forget elevation).

This would be a world-wide problem as the GPS birds are not geosynchronous.. The only solution would be a excluding the affected satellites via firmware/software updates.

According to my source communication in the pacific region will be difficult if, for some reason, the ionosphere would get charged up. It´s a sideeffect of the EMP. Imagine a layer of electrons and charged atoms/molecules the cover the earth in between around ~50km - 1000km height. There are different "layers" that affect different frequency ranges. If those electrons/atoms/molecules up there are more excited they can scatter/absorb more energy from the radio signals.

Higher frequencies penetrate better, of course. Signals that need to pass the ionosphere (earth - sat, plane - sat) would be attenuated, maybe to a point where propper communication fails.

Any long range signals that rely on the ionosphere as a reflector such as HAM-radio are going to be very noise in that region. Probably world-wide signal disturbances.

Imagine a carrier group and the whole entourage it brings with it, over the horizont, out of line of sight. The only way to communicate with them would be via a chain of airplanes flying their pattern, relaying the channels. Maybe ELF, I´m not sure about that.


Something to consider:
I think it was during the start of the lates iraq war when I was on a diving trip down in egypt. We went out there to a reef that was really hard to find so most of the time the captain relied on his GPS receiver. That week we could not find the reef and it was said that the US had screwed with the GPS (there are different protocolls) so that iraq forces could not use GPS, but the US. Not sure if this is correct.
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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: CoolioHulioo
I'm more afraid of nuclear warfare
The international spy game is alive and well and every country has it's own form of CIA, and KGB
With millions of illegal immigrants within our borders, and tens of millions more of legal immigrants and non U.S. citizens, such as international business owners, foreign diplomats and foreign exchange students, it's not a stretch of the imagination to see a first wave attack including highly trained foreign special forces soldiers and foreign secret agents planted here for that purpose.....
Some of these foreign exchange students, many who are here from China, may not be here just for a college degree -- they may be here awaiting orders.
North Korea has millions of trained reservists in its Workers and Peasants Militia.

Yes, they can hack too.... North Korea’s hacking capabilities became famously known.
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posted on Oct, 22 2017 @ 07:44 PM
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Imagine a carrier group and the whole entourage it brings with it, over the horizont, out of line of sight. The only way to communicate with them would be via a chain of airplanes flying their pattern, relaying the channels. Maybe ELF, I´m not sure about that.

That's an interesting idea. I was always of the opinion that America's dependence on satellite technology is a weakness that would probably be immediately exploited by an enemy force. It didn't occur to me that a temporary system could be put in place using a series of repeater aircraft. Not too efficient, and probably subject to enemy disruption though.



Something to consider: I think it was during the start of the lates iraq war when I was on a diving trip down in egypt. We went out there to a reef that was really hard to find so most of the time the captain relied on his GPS receiver. That week we could not find the reef and it was said that the US had screwed with the GPS (there are different protocolls) so that iraq forces could not use GPS, but the US. Not sure if this is correct.

I was under that impression as well. The USAF can scramble the signals, or reduce their precision in any theater that they see fit. It was only a few years ago that they started providing an accurate signal for commercial use. Before that, if I recall correctly, the best precision you were guaranteed was 10 Meters. Now it's around 1 Meter or so.

I just read an article that said that the GPS timing signals are almost as important as the navigation capability. With the timing signals being used for Wall Street trade time-stamps, among other uses. Total loss of the GPS/GNSS capability could be catastrophic on my levels.

-dex



posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 08:35 PM
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I remember hearing a while back that part of the reason the US has strung out fiber optic cable all up and down along the west coast was because fiber optic cable is not effected by an EMP. So I know that the US wants to keep the internet going in the event of an EMP, and has been preparing for it.

About 7 years ago the crew that was putting put that cable in rented an apartment in back of us for a few months.
The foreman told me that they started in California, laying out fiber optic cable that back then made it as far as Southeast Alaska. I'm sure they are most likely done although I think he said that the cable would run all the way up into Russia, so that covers the entire west coast of the US,Canada,Alaska,and into Russia. The entire northern rim of the pacific has EMP proof internet and whatever else they can pass through fiber optic cable.





posted on Oct, 26 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: Darkblade71
I remember hearing a while back that part of the reason the US has strung out fiber optic cable all up and down along the west coast was because fiber optic cable is not effected by an EMP. So I know that the US wants to keep the internet going in the event of an EMP, and has been preparing for it.

About 7 years ago the crew that was putting put that cable in rented an apartment in back of us for a few months.
The foreman told me that they started in California, laying out fiber optic cable that back then made it as far as Southeast Alaska. I'm sure they are most likely done although I think he said that the cable would run all the way up into Russia, so that covers the entire west coast of the US,Canada,Alaska,and into Russia. The entire northern rim of the pacific has EMP proof internet and whatever else they can pass through fiber optic cable.




What about the rest of the country?



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: dianajune

That I don't know.

I would assume that fiber optic cable is crisscrossing the entire country.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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Suddenly, America goes back to the year 1794
It would simply be “Law of the Jungle” and “Survival of the Fittest”.



posted on Oct, 29 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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Nope nope nope. This isn't Goldeneye. This is reality.

What does concern me is the massive stockpiles of nerve agents the North Koreans have been building up since the days of Kim Il-Sung. That's the real worry. Not the nuclear ambitions or a hypothetical EMP, but rather, a warhead filled with VX bomblets.



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