Why did no one report Weinstein earlier ?

a reply to: LondonMan

Are you saying Weinstein didn't do anything wrong because these women didn't speak up earlier?

Although the Hollywood Celebrity Class compared to most people are elites modern royales, but in their world Weinstein would represent a true elitist.

Now factor in the same parent companies that own Hollywood, the music industry, etc, also own all the news networks, newspapers, and so on.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Heh.

It wont be long now Huffington Post will post a piece blaming the 'rape' victims for this travesty they're all committing against poor Weinstein.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Are you trying to blame the victims or is this an honest question? If it's an honest question then probably because they were afraid to. Maybe they were afraid for their lives if they spoke out.

It was honest question, now I'm wondering. Do you think they we're scared to take the millions to keep quiet too ??

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: LondonMan

Are you saying Weinstein didn't do anything wrong because these women didn't speak up earlier?

If I told you what I thought his punishment and people like him should be, I would probably be told of by a sensitive moderator, and rightly so. This man and is ilk need rooting out, and hung to dry. As for the victims, they should apologise for saying nothing while more were abused, and some who probably never made his films, unknowns.

Very simply - "Spiral of Silence"

The spiral of silence theory is a political science and mass communication theory proposed by the German political scientist Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann,

which stipulates that individuals have a fear of isolation,

which results from the idea that a social group or the society in general might isolate, neglect, or exclude members due to the members' opinions.

This fear of isolation consequently leads to remaining silent instead of voicing opinions.

Media is an important factor that relates to both the dominant idea and people's perception of the dominant idea. The assessment of one's social environment may not always correlate with reality.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Happens all the time....

originally posted by: FyreByrd
Very simply - "Spiral of Silence"

The spiral of silence theory is a political science and mass communication theory proposed by the German political scientist Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann,

which stipulates that individuals have a fear of isolation,

which results from the idea that a social group or the society in general might isolate, neglect, or exclude members due to the members' opinions.

This fear of isolation consequently leads to remaining silent instead of voicing opinions.

Media is an important factor that relates to both the dominant idea and people's perception of the dominant idea. The assessment of one's social environment may not always correlate with reality.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Happens all the time....

When she visited Obersalzberg, she by chance had an encounter with Adolf Hitler, which she later called "one of the most intensive and strangest experiences in her life". In 1940 she briefly worked for the Nazi newspaper Das Reich. On 8 June 1941 Das Reich published Noelle-Neumann's article entitled "Who Informs America?" in which she propagated the idea that a Jewish syndicate ran the American media. She wrote, "Jews write in the paper, own them, have virtually monopolized the advertising agencies and can therefore open and shut the gates of advertising income as they wish." THOSE PESKY NATIONAL SOCIALISTS AND THEIR EXPERIMENTS

a reply to: LondonMan

Because he had money and power and the ability to make sure that other people could also have money and power.

Because he kept people entertained while he was at it.

That you don't get it is a sign that you would never have what it takes to make it out in Hollywood. You likely have some semblance of a conscience. Congratulations!

People with a soul don't last out there.

originally posted by: LondonMan

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Are you trying to blame the victims or is this an honest question? If it's an honest question then probably because they were afraid to. Maybe they were afraid for their lives if they spoke out.

It was honest question, now I'm wondering. Do you think they we're scared to take the millions to keep quiet too ??

You have to answer a question for yourself :
Why do most ALL victims of sexual abuse not want to come forward ?
You belittle yourself

Some people probably did, and thats why they got blocked from making movies, these rich asshole think they can run around harrasing everybody under the sun, put them in cages, the whole lot.

originally posted by: LondonMan
Now we all know the stories, we have a current list and it seems to be growing fast ,
Gwyneth Paltrow,
Angelina Jolie,
Ashley Judd,
Lauren Sivan,
Lucia Stroller-Evans,
Asia Argento,
Miro Sorvino,
Ambra Battilana Gutierre,
Tomi-Ann Roberts,
Katherine Kendall,
Judith Godreche,
Emily Nestor,
Dawn Dunning,
Emma de Caunes,
Rosanna Arquette,
Jessica Barth,
Kate Beckinsale ,
Cara Delevingne ,
Léa Seydoux ,
Rose McGowan,

Just wonder why they worked with him until they became millionairesses

Weinstein is a scumbag. However, the reality is that a lot of women will have sex for money and fame. Many on that list figured giving a BJ or whatever to an old disgusting man is a small price to pay for fame and fortune.

I mean let's be real... you are some broke actress who just hoped off a Greyhound bus from Bumblestank, TN. You get a meeting with Harvey or whoever and you know that being in the right film takes you from being nobody, to walking the red carpet in foo foo dresses making millions of dollars per film.

Everyone has a price...

I think a lot of these chicks are just jumping on the wagon now that he has been outed. They may have felt some shame initially, but let's not act like all of them just didn't see it as a small price to make it to the A list.

I get sick of people acting like women are innocent little things and also aren't manipulative. Women throw P around to get what they want.

a reply to: Edumakated

Notice the majority of people on that list are at least in their 40s if not older. There is certainly some cultural shift between the actions happening and today's culture.

This post is not excusing nor advocating for the actions committed by Weinstein. But pointing out changes in culture over the last 20 years, and the lack of anything coming to light before.
Perhaps it was a prior failing in our culture?

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: Edumakated

Notice the majority of people on that list are at least in their 40s if not older. There is certainly some cultural shift between the actions happening and today's culture.

This post is not excusing nor advocating for the actions committed by Weinstein. But pointing out changes in culture over the last 20 years, and the lack of anything coming to light before.
Perhaps it was a prior failing in our culture?

Possibly. However, people still are willing to screw for fame and fortune. Heck, if anything I might argue it is even more accepted now than ever.

The Kardashians are basically famous for getting skeeted on by rappers and athletes. Athletes and entertainers making strippers and hoes into housewives is all the rage these days. Blac Chyna, Amber Rose, Kardashians, Cardi B...

To be clear, I am not saying that some of these women haven't been traumatized, but at the same time, we also can't act like women don't sleep with men for fame and money. When you are rich and powerful, that is a perk.

I think often times what happens is that some of these men get so used to chicks throwing pootang at them that they lose touch with reality and assume that every chick they come across is going to or wants to willingly put out. They come across a woman who doesn't want to put out, but the guy is being aggressive because women usually do so he no longer knows how to act when being told no or is too aggressive.

a reply to: Edumakated

I work in the performing arts industry, and do photography as a hobby.
I'm not rich nor powerful.

There is a basic trust that supports all of entertainment, with their fellow practitioners. People do take advantage of that trust, we have enough news stories over the last 5 years to prove it.

We (as a whole), are not "aggressive," or insensitive, but we in the arts are used to a culture that is more open and willing to explore artistic endeavors which may include nudity, or socially uncomfortable subjects.

Never have I heard/seen/ or known of someone going to the extremes he did, without someone calling them out on it through the peer group, or beyond.

Really performing arts are a different sub-culture, and I'm glad this predator has been brought to light.

a reply to: SeaYote

BS...this was well known and the subject of jokes and references in Hollywood productions like awards shows. I wont post the videos, find them and convince yourself of your error.

a reply to: FyreByrd

thats a nice theory. Except you have people like Angelina Jolie who certainly has tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars gained by working in a known corrupt system WITH corrupt sickos like Weinstein who said nothing until it was "safe" to do so.


i have no respect for people who cover up for abusers even if those people were abused themselves. I cannot feel sorry for ADULTS who have tens of millions of dollars to hire their own private security and live in their castles KNOWING that those same sickos are now abusing a new crop of rising young stars.

Thats called complicity, its called aiding and abetting....its called co dependence.

I wonder,he must of really done someone wrong,those Hollyweird liberals all hang tight together,seems he is getting tossed under the bus

Okay, first of all, people really need to stop saying 'liberal' in connection to Weinstein.

His politics have nothing to do with him being a sex offender.

And you don't get to be outraged about Weinstein whilst still supporting Trump. You just don't.


Secondly, why do all women have difficulty reporting sexual assault and rape? It's hard to go to the authorities, they frequently won't believe you, particularly if you're accusing a rich powerful man. It can ruin a woman's reputation. She'll have to face endless barrages of the same nonsense we're seeing already in this thread that they were asking for it, they sold themselves, they were happy to take the money, etc, etc.

a reply to: Painterz

Generally, when there is someone on the other side of the aisle who gets tangled up in a whiff of impropriety the press goes into full on destroy mode.

They don't with people like Weinstein who give to "all the right people and causes." NBC spiked this story for example.