Paddock. the conspiracy ideas have Begun. Assange says FBI did it! what,s your take?!

a reply to: NotTheCIA

I would love to find some sites that study Assange,s wiki leaks files and their accuracy . his making such a blanket statement about the FBI, is disturbing. I realize that this statement is a twitter statement, in just so many characters one cannot say much.

I am surprised he is still alive!

I wonder if he hates America, or democracy in general. what is he *for*?!

freestone

a reply to: ReadingOne

Prove ANYTHING on Wikileaks wasn't altered.

You're asking for a double negative standard.

You cannot even prove ANYTHING on Wikileaks is LEGITIMATE to START WITH to DEBUNK IT.

You're like talking to a wall with selective hearing.


PS. ATS ToS is the GOTO argument for trolls without a purpose in the conversation. You cannot address my argument, probably because you are too stupid. So you refer to discourse as the error of my argument.

Sadly, I don't care about respecting you enough to care enough about the ToS. And guess what, I'll make another account after this one is gone for ignoring it. Till the day I die, my free speech is more important than your pussy snowflake attitude towards words on a anonymous internet forum, and this position of patrionisation of free speech seems to be directly related to conservatives of this site. A sad day for any of you to call yourself men, while being completely incapable of a conversation without it LEADING to this point. Sure it's 'my fault' for breaking the ToS, but it's ultimately your fault for being terrible human beings to the extent of someone else being sick of it and calling you out on it. That is the real tragedy, you claim to care about the rules but your only goal is to reach calamity.


As a general rule of thumb for ATS though, when people insistently whine about the ToS, trust me, it means you've won, and there is no greater feeling.

a reply to: NotTheCIA

Here is just one example for you, a well known issue:

It came to light through the Podesta emails that Donna Brazile, while being one of the CNN pundits and die hard Hillary fan girls, leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton so she could cheat. As a result of these revelations, CNN got rid of Donna Brazile as a talking head.

money.cnn.com...

Do you really think CNN would have ousted Brazile if the leaked emails were not accurate and real? I have also seen John Podesta, who likes to tweet (ouch, the replies!) talk about the STOLEN emails. Which implies that the emails are indeed real, since how the hell can something that is not real be stolen in the first place..?

originally posted by: NotTheCIA
a reply to: interupt42

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Again with the deflection and personal assaults. Clear indicator you have lost the argument.

like I'm the first person to suggest Wikileaks is Disinfo(Fake News). Thanks for making me feel special. But I'm not even close to the first to suggest this

Never said or suggested that you were the first or only.

However, clearly the Hillary Campaign ,DNC, and the MSM don't feel the same as you since they fired people because of the documents.

Thanks for making me feel special.

Glad to help.

Even if you are special , one would think that you could answer the following simple question without making personal assaults or deflecting.

Again based on your claims that the leaks were fabrication: Then wouldn't the Hillary campaign , the DNC , and the MSM have been extremely incompetent for firing the head of the DNC and a political Consultant based on fabricated documents?

a reply to: ReadingOne

Can you prove they are accurate or real? No Right?

Or is that homophobic question for proof only go one way?

Can you even mildly comprehend how annoying you are now asking for proof, when Wikileaks is your source?

It's the equivalent of referencing the Uncyclopedia in my eyes, it's completely unverified, and there is no way to even prove any of it's content was legitimate.

This is why you asking ME for proof is absurd.

a reply to: interupt42

I actually disagree with that a lot.

The person talking about manners, has almost always lost the argument, and is a last resort effort to 'win something'

It's working though, I feel bad now, even though I don't even remotely feel incorrect.

a reply to: NotTheCIA

I have had it with your bizarre, confused personal attacks, so this is my final and last reply to you:

Goodbye.

a reply to: NotTheCIA

Can you prove they are accurate or real? No Right?

Yes , they were proved accurate and real by the the DNC ,MSM, and the Hillary campaign .

They did not argue the contents of the documents. As a matter of fact , they took action based on the contents of those documents and Fired key people.

a reply to: freestonew

I think Assange means that they make problems they can later solve. Its funny how many terror plots they stop which they also started.

Most people cant take that in. Most refuse to accept it. Thats why it has gotten where it has and will not stop anytime soon.

a reply to: freestonew

What is he for? He's all for telling hot chicks he's the Most Dangerous Dude on Earth.

Assange did it to make the FBI look like they did it to make the CIA look they did it to make Paddock look like he did it to make us all crazy enough to believe what Assange says.

a reply to: freestonew

I would love to find some sites that study Assange,s wiki leaks files and their accuracy.

The fact Hillary/the Clinton network can't outright ruin/discredit him into irrelevancy tells me that study's been done to death and they've got nothing.

Besides why settle for some dubious web site to do the job when Hillary can utilize the vast resources of the DNC/Crowdstrike/the fbi, just to name a few.

Correct me if I'm wrong but despite their combined best efforts to prove otherwise, Assange's leaked documents seem to be authentic.

This article has absolutely everything that I've heard in the past . My brother is a retired law enforcement,in that time most of his career was undercovered. He also worked with a task force that involved FBI & CIA .... Working with the White House also in terrorism ...


a reply to: freestonew

a reply to: freestonew

yes, the conspiracy theories have begun.
gentlemen: start your engines!

one:
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www.nytimes.com...

""Could Stephen Paddock, the lone Vegas shooter, have been a patsy to kick off the left’s war with the right in the streets of America?” Mr. Jones wrote on his Facebook page last week. The post accompanied a video titled “Video Shows Second Shooter During Vegas Massacre,” which by Monday had been viewed about 1.1 million times.""
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two:

alex jones facebook page.

""[with a ]Bombshell Video Shows Second Shooter During Vegas Massacre
Could Stephen Paddock, the lone Vegas shooter, have been a patsy to kick off the left’s war with the right in the streets of America and to simultaneously roll in the Rapiscan naked body scanners that profit former DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff, George Soros and a handful of lobbyists connected to the management of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino?""

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three:

www.theodysseyonline.com...

"Here Are 5 Conspiracy Theories About The Las Vegas Shooting "

one of them, this one,
""5. This was the result of a failed sting operation.

Police found several pounds of ammonium nitrate, a chemical used to make explosives, in Paddock's suite. A theory for this is that Paddock was setting up a sting operation to illegally sell ammunition and explosives to a terrorist organization and the operation must have caused conflict in some way.

A story posted on 4Chan.org posted by an alleged police officer who claims to be a first responder to the case believes that this was definitely a sting operation gone wrong. He believes that the terrorist organization, or people that Paddock was selling the ammunition to, shot Paddock and carried out a terrorist attack.

In addition, Paddock worked for several military contractors, like NASA, which proves that Paddock may have had reason to carry out this operation case believes that this was definitely a sting operation gone wrong.

He believes that the terrorist organization, or people that Paddock was selling the ammunition to, shot Paddock and carried out a terrorist attack.

This would explain why he had 40 automatic weapons, pounds of explosives, bomb-making chemicals and materials in his car and in his room, and would also explain why he sent $100,000 to the Philippines just a week before the shooting.""
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uncle freestone says that this one might even have a bit of truth to it, if proved.

four:

nypost.com...

""“I [Paddock] was born bad.”

Las Vegas madman Stephen Paddock made the proclamation to a high-priced hooker while engaging in “violent’’ rape fantasies to celebrate his big casino wins, according to a report Sunday.

Paddock blamed his bank-robbing dad for his “dark and twisted side,” the 27-year-old prostitute told Britain’s The Sun newspaper.

“I didn’t have anything really to do with him, but the bad streak is in my blood. I was born bad,’’ Paddock told the hooker, according to The Sun.

The prostitute said the 64-year-old retired accountant paid her as much as $7,500 a night to join him for “really aggressive and violent sex,’’ which included “rapes.”"

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five:

metro.co.uk...

""Was the MGM casino involved in concealing the truth of Stephen Paddock’s massacre – and did the FBI ‘burgle’ Paddock’s home to delete secret evidence?

Or was Stephen Paddock actually carrying out an Illuminati ‘blood sacrifice ritual’ in which he appeased the masters of this world by slaughtering the innocent?


Right-winger Sheila Zhilinsky suggests that the Illuminati – a secret society believed (by right-wing nutters) to rule the world – arranged the massacre as a pagan harvest festival. She says, ‘Folks, this whole thing in Las Vegas. This killing field in front of this sphinx, this pyramid, this obelisk, this is no coincidence. The pyramid, the place of death; do you know that the Luxor has been there 23 years, the man had 23 guns and his room was 23? This is not a coincidence in these number sequences.""

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six:

www.mediamatters.org...

-----there are 12 theories on this page!

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seven:

www.naturalnews.com...#

""Natural News) It’s all hogwash. The “official” narrative of how things went down in the Las Vegas massacre is so full of holes that it begs the question of just how deep the truth about this attack really goes.

What we know for sure is that, yes, 59 people were killed (so far) and hundreds were wounded. This wasn’t a “hoax” shooting — people actually were shot, wounded and killed (and our prayers go out to all their families for this horrific tragedy). Yet the official narrative that claims Stephen Paddock — a retired, 64-year-old accountant with absolutely no firearms training, no gun experience and no physical stamina — was somehow able to expertly wield a highly complex (and physically demanding) weapon system for 10 sustained minutes is total nonsense.

Clarification added 10/4/2017: My contention in this story is that Stephen Paddock couldn’t have pulled this off all by himself. That does not mean he wasn’t involved in the shooting. He could have fired weapons himself, alongside others who were also firing weapons from either his hotel room or from different locations. This story does not exclude his involvement in the shooting. Some people are misinterpreting this story as claiming that Paddock never fired a shot. That isn’t at all what this story states.

Even highly trained Navy Seals would have a difficult time running a full auto weapon for 10 minutes straight.""

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uncle freestone says....

enough.
that list should get you started. I also read youtube has altered their search engine tags so that youtube will not be flooded with easy to find conspiracy ideas.
too too much.

my own theory [so far] is that it is just how little we know about the complexity of any one person. most of us have secrets, personal stuff that hopefully no one will ever know. some people have their hidden depths to be way down deep into the magma level! I get the impression that he has planned something like this for YEARS! why I did read that he had also rented two hotel suites in Chicago and boston, right next to a large outdoor concert. months before...

the Shadow knows what evil lurks in the heart of men......

now off to do a good clean with my Superantispyware remover, after me visiting all of these sites!!

freestone

originally posted by: cenpuppie
Didn't the Feds get ratted out by one of their "targets" when they tried this before? I mean, it's their known method of operation and that was known since they told about their infiltration of some of the hippies and the black power movement.

Welcome to the party, the FBI brings people to the ledge and urges them to jump just so they can arrest them. Only in 'Murica

The old case of John Delorean and a briefcase full of FBI coc aine comes to mind. Was that the first? I don't know.

In the War On Terror age, there have been many FBI set-ups from Fort Dix to Miami and around the country.

It is entirely possible, even likely, that the Vegas event is the same.

The FBI aiding 'domestic terrorists' is very common knowledge to all but the ignorant. They tried to entrap the Hutaree Militia (Michigan) and the judge asked, basically, WTF is wrong with you? I was in contact at the time with the leader of the Ohio militia who was arrested. The FBI tried to nail them over a joke.
I was in the police academy at the time, too, and our Sergent blatantly told the whole class that the FBI will infiltrate "Domestic Terror" groups and give them everything they need to do the acts of "terrorism."

Timothy Mcveigh also comes to mind.
At this point anyone who thinks the FBI/CIA don't do these types of things are beyond help. The American Populous is quite the joke, and will believe pretty much anything you tell them if you're wearing a suit and tie.

Guys??

Quit your silly bickering.

Now it's a very well known fact at least in my world the FBI is famous for making up plots for people facilitating all the materials and plan of action even ride with the would be criminals..

Here from the new York Times
Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

Undercover operations, long practiced by the F.B.I., have become a mainstay of counterterrorism, and they have changed in response to the post-9/11 focus on prevention. “Prior to 9/11 it would be very unusual for the F.B.I. to present a crime opportunity that wasn’t in the scope of the activities that a person was already involved in,” said Mike German of the American Civil Liberties Union, a lawyer and former F.B.I. agent who infiltrated white supremacist groups. An alleged drug dealer would be set up to sell drugs to an undercover agent, an arms trafficker to sell weapons. That still happens routinely, but less so in counterterrorism, and for good reason.

“There isn’t a business of terrorism in the United States, thank God,” a former federal prosecutor, David Raskin, explained.

“You’re not going to be able to go to a street corner and find somebody who’s already blown something up,” he said. Therefore, the usual goal is not “to find somebody who’s already engaged in terrorism but find somebody who would jump at the opportunity if a real terrorist showed up in town.”

The Guardian
Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned

David Williams did not have an easy life. He moved to Newburgh, a gritty, impoverished town on the banks of the Hudson an hour or so north of New York, at just 10 years old. For a young, black American boy with a father in jail, trouble was everywhere.

Williams also made bad choices. He ended up going to jail for dealing drugs. When he came out in 2007 he tried to go straight, but money was tight and his brother, Lord, needed cash for a liver transplant. Life is hard in Newburgh if you are poor, have a drug rap and need cash quickly.

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His aunt, Alicia McWilliams, was honest about the tough streets her nephew was dealing with. "Newburgh is a hard place," she said. So it was perhaps no surprise that in May, 2009, David Williams was arrested again and hit with a 25-year jail sentence. But it was not for drugs offences. Or any other common crime. Instead Williams and three other struggling local men beset by drug, criminal and mental health issues were convicted of an Islamic terrorist plot to blow up Jewish synagogues and shoot down military jets with missiles.

LA Times
SEEKING A SENSE OF PURPOSE, FBI INFORMANT DECIDES TO TELL ALL

Two decades have passed since Salem went deep undercover for the FBI and infiltrated the terrorist cell behind the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. After the explosion, he helped the FBI bring charges against a related group of terrorists for a separate plot to blow up tunnels and bridges and other New York landmarks.

In that case, for 46 days in 1995, he testified as the government's star witness in a federal courthouse in Lower Manhattan.

You read that right?? Infiltrated the terror cell and the FBI did NOT stop what they knew was coming but made arrests AFTER the explosion at the world trade center.. 9/11 of course came 8 years later..

They pulled him off the case 6 months before the explosion btw...

"It is time for me to talk now. I was shut up for 20-some years."

He worked in New York as a security guard at an off-Broadway hotel, and was recruited by the FBI to monitor hotel guests suspected of being Russian mobsters.

In time, the undercover assignments grew. When El Sayyid Nosair stood trial in New York for killing a militant rabbi in 1990, Salem infiltrated his supporters. Soon he became head of security for their leader, Omar Abdel Rahman, known as the blind sheik.

We ringing any bells yet guys??

The article continues..

Before he went underground, Salem was described by friends and colleagues as distrustful and sometimes erratic. He secretly taped his FBI handlers and suggested they had ignored warning signs about a pending attack, allegations the FBI strongly denied.

Anyway thought some might find that interesting.

business insider

Vice

Here's a good one..

The FBI Suspected an Army Vet Was Plotting Attacks in the US — So They Gave Him Guns



Is Julian assange right??

He better #ing prove it. He's just a man talking..

It's possibly true, but without proof it means nothing.

a reply to: Reverbs

How about Motive??

Rolling Stone

How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook

Subtitle:

The feds have seized an Orwellian power - the power to decide which ideas are dangerous, regardless of the genuine threat they pose.

Right in the nick of time, just like in the movies. The authorities couldn’t have more effectively made the Occupy movement look like a danger to the republic if they had scripted it. Maybe that's because, more or less, they did.

The guy who convinced the plotters to blow up a big bridge, led them to the arms merchant, and drove the team to the bomb site was an FBI informant. The merchant was an FBI agent.

the arrest was part of a pattern of entrapment by federal law enforcement since September 11, 2001, not of terrorist suspects, but of young men federal agents have had to talk into embracing violence in the first place. One of the Cleveland arrestees, Connor Stevens, complained to his sister of feeling "very pressured" by the guy who turned out to be an informant and was recorded in 2011 rejecting property destruction: "We're in it for the long haul and those kind of tactics just don't cut it," he said. "And it's actually harder to be non-violent than it is to do stuff like that." Though when Cleveland's NEWS Channel 5 broadcast that footage, they headlined it "Accused Bomb Plot Suspect Caught on Camera Talking Violence."

Previously, however, the targets have been Muslims; now they’re white kids from Ohio. And maybe you could argue that this is acceptable, if the feds were actually acting out of a good-faith assessment of what threats are imminent and which are not. But that's not what they're doing at all. Instead, they are arrogating to themselves a downright Orwellian power – the power to deploy the might of the State to shape a fundamental narrative about which ideas Americans must be most scared of, and which ones they should not fear much at all, independent of the relative objective dangerousness of the people who hold those ideas.

Motive??

Hm?

To see how, travel with me to rural Florida, and another arrest that occurred at almost exactly the same time. On April 28, members of American Front, a white-supremacist group labeled "a known terrorist organization" in the affidavit justifying the arrest, took a break from training with machine guns for a race war in order to fashion weapons out of fake "Occupy" signs which they planned to use to assault May Day protesters in Melbourne, Florida. No script, no choreography for maximal impact on sensation-hungry news broadcasts, no melodramatic press conference with a U.S. attorney and FBI Special Agent in Charge; this arrest only went down after an informant working with state law enforcement fled in fear for his or her life after being threatened by the group's leader Marcus Faella with a 9mm pistol. And though the media reported the involvement of a "joint terrorism task force of FBI and local law enforcement" the arresting affidavit does not even mention federal law enforcement; the charges filed were state, not federal. A circuit court judge scrawled a bail amount of $51,250; that was accidentally knocked down to $500. The Cleveland anarchists were held without bond.

The contrasts are extraordinarily instructive. When federal law enforcement agencies take an affirmative role in staging the crimes, the U.S. Justice Department then prosecutes, leaving more clear-and-present dangers relatively unbothered.

We're supposed to be afraid of Muslims, of course – though not even necessarily Muslim militants. In a sting stunningly anatomized on a Pulitzer-worthy This American Life episode from 2005 the target, British citizen Hemant Lakhami, known as "Habib," was an Indian-born Willy Loman, so dumb he referred to night-vision goggles, which he’d never heard of, as "sunglasses" and so broken down and desperate for attention he told the federal informant he had full-sized submarines to sell. He was egged by the informant into selling him Stinger missiles (Lakhami had approached him hoping to sell him mangoes). Upon Lakhami's terrorism conviction then-U.S. Attorney Chris Christie stepped up to the press conference microphones to announce, "Today is a triumph for the Justice Department in the war against terror. I don't know that anyone can say that the state of New Jersey, and this country, is not a safer place without Hemant Lakhani trotting around the globe attempting to broker arms deals."

a reply to: Reverbs

See the FBI is in the business of setting up narratives not just for potential drug runners or weapons sales or bomb plots or mass shootings..

They set up the narratives for you the viewer, not directly through media telling you what to think..

They do it by who they arrest , who they set up , and who they let go..

Do we forget the agents being mad they were pulled off of investigating Osama bin laden??

Do we??

Bill cooper said there would be an attack coming very soon that would be blamed on Osama bin Laden. Recorded june 28th 2001.




And what about vegas??

Someone said there would be a mass shooting there and not to believe what they say about it..

Batman shooting was called out on ATS before it happened.. That freaked me out pretty bad..
I listened live and heard all the holes in it before the 120 cars arrived with every damn spook from every damn agency quieted the comms..

But that mixed with the thread was too much..

I said Dark Knight (shooting) was a blood sacrifice

It links to the original thread talking about a blood letting that would occur within 24 hours of the Batman opening.

a reply to: Reverbs

So excuse me for not trusting the official story..

Just think of it..

War on Terror

Started second WTC bombing and the first was let happen by none other than the FBI..

So now we can do anything anywhere because...

War on Terror

It's easy now.. keep the terror alive and you can ride this war on terror off into the sunset of a..

Brave New World.

That is all.