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Tom DeLonge Anouncement: October 11th 9:00 AM PST/12:00 PM EST

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posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 02:59 AM
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originally posted by: zeroPointOneQ
a reply to: bluetrees

Sort off. It's expanding space behind the craft and contracting in front giving a sort of surfing-the-wave effect.

There is a scientific paper by H. Puthoff that goes more in depth on the topic. Since it was shortly shown in the presentation I suspect this is the foundation.

This paper has been posted here before and is available at arxiv.org...

Anyone with enough physics knowledge about this that can chime in and give his opinion?


dope.
I knew there was more to it, I was trying to break it down to the simplest analogy that I could. Perhaps I am thinking of an entirely different drive system.

The idea of shrinking and expanding space - it’s hard to wrap your head around.

So the craft IS moving with this type of drive system?

Would it be continually falling into a hole (but not) in whatever direction it wants to go?

I’m going to give the paper a go, and see how many of the hieroglyphs I can match up.




posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: BullwinkleKicksButt

Heh!

You can tell I am pretty confused by this whole affair, because I keep oscillating between positive and negative, back and forth like some broken weatherwane.

In a recent update, Mr Delonge has now claimed that they will have weekly shows, and will be producing physical (no less) evidence directly from the US government.

So, either they think they can pull off fooling the whole world for no readily apparent reason, or they really have something and are going to brazenly show it off.

All while making movies, selling clothes, crowdfunding, and while this is going on Mr Elon Musk is talking about flying people around the world using rockets.

I am at a loss.

Cheers,

BT



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 03:14 AM
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a reply to: bluetrees

I liked your analogy! Since physics are more of an interest of mine, I'm sure there are others with more expertise on this that can explain better.

As far as I know this was/is all just theory, but looking at the suspected characteristics of such a craft sure rings a bell.
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posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Yeah i did lol. What happened?



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: beetee

Similar feelings here, but a bit more on the positive side. I may have more trust in people in general than others. I would say 80% of the people will try to do the right thing and only 20% will let you down.



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 04:45 AM
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originally posted by: bluetrees

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
I'd be tempted to say this is an honest effort, but the money solicitation seems off. If he had proof, he could get any venture capitalist to fund him to the tune of tens of millions easily. Still, his website does offer impressive people under this effort and seems very well organized. I will have to look at this closer.


isnt that the exact reason why he isn’t doing that?

So the technology remains open for the people, rather than proprietary, sold to the highest military bidder?

he isn’t claiming he has the technology in his back pocket, he is saying it is going to need R&D.


I don't know if that was his intention. Never followed Tom DeLonge. I wish ATS would invite him for an AMA.



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 04:59 AM
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originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: bluetrees

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
I'd be tempted to say this is an honest effort, but the money solicitation seems off. If he had proof, he could get any venture capitalist to fund him to the tune of tens of millions easily. Still, his website does offer impressive people under this effort and seems very well organized. I will have to look at this closer.


isnt that the exact reason why he isn’t doing that?

So the technology remains open for the people, rather than proprietary, sold to the highest military bidder?

he isn’t claiming he has the technology in his back pocket, he is saying it is going to need R&D.


I don't know if that was his intention. Never followed Tom DeLonge. I wish ATS would invite him for an AMA.


Hmmm been there, done that and very few bought the T-Shirt.



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 05:31 AM
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a reply to: thepixelpusher

His intention?

UFOtainment



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 05:58 AM
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ALSO: To The Stars looks to build a launch system to put Cube Sats in space with Laser Beams. Declassified by the Air Force Research Labs.

from TDL Twitter account



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 06:41 AM
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The Disclosure is,

You're being scammed if you believe you're going to get Disclosure.



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: SacredLore

As cool as this all may sound, how in the world are they going to pay and complete all these projects?

Or they have a huge amount of cash, or they are hoping this will attract more investors. But then again, the intended 5-50 million of share sales, if I understood the circular correctly, won't cut it.

Enthousiasm and dreaming are fine, but when the sky is the limit, it's often a recipe for failure.
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posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: bluetrees

you are so far off base with that whole post and to be honest it seems kind of like what a sock puppet would say.

If TDL and his cohorts have some amazing piece of technology then they stole it, and the DIA and others aren't too keen on people stealing their stuff and trying to make money off of it, do i think it's right that the government has some amazing tech and keeps it to themselves? no but such is life.


I don't expect disclosure from this group of people. i don't think anyone does.

having a handful of people that are no longer tied the the companies and government sectors say there are aliens isn't that hard of a task look at the disclosure project. what came of that? CE5? *cough*money grab*cough*


I am not butt hurt about anything, if TDL is such a crusader for the cause of UFOlogy then he would know the field is plagued by charlatans asking for money in return for something that never comes.

if he had something earth shattering he would not be asking for petty donations, he would have aerospace companies knocking his door down with bags of cash, i mean SpaceX would love to not have to use rockets anymore. and that is just one example, you switch out any aerospace company with the same results....bags of money.

as for throwing out that martyr comment, do you even know what that means because you're not using the word right.
no one here is throwing themselves on the sword of UFOlogy especially TDL other wise he would have used his own resources, that would have gone along way to give him some credibility putting his money where his mouth is.

we have every right to be doubtful of TDL and his claims, if you don't like it don't read it.

i hope he proves me wrong and i have to eat a big piece of humble pie, only time will tell.



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: penroc3

Exactly. As it stands hes got about 600 investers so far to a sum of around 300k. I assume to keep generating cash he'll have to show something fairly spectacular. I mean he must have seen this reqction coming.



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: zetaReticulous

Most do see that reaction coming, that's also why we never see them coming around again, either, lol.

It's a wham, bam, thank you ma'am...



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
a reply to: zetaReticulous

Most do see that reaction coming, that's also why we never see them coming around again, either, lol.

It's a wham, bam, thank you ma'am...



To be fair this has been a Wham , wham , wham, wham effort so far. Waiting for the bam to come. Apparently you got to pay for the Bam.


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posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: BullwinkleKicksButt

I must protest the last part of your statement.
Clearly, there is no such thing as too much Sci-Fi.

As to credit, maybe. I am variously cautiously optimistic and depressingly exasperated by this whole affair.

I think I shall go watch some more Sci-Fi in stead :-)



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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For those who do not like those of us being critical, for me it is like this:

"People with Phd's should just be trusted and respected because letters at end of name or job they held. Because they would never tarnish their rep..."

For me is like saying, all cops are good because badge. Yes, no cop ever has done anything dodgy, because it would hurt their rep.
But we know there have been tonnes of corrupt and criminally bad cops since forever.

All a PHD says to me is, someone went to school for a few years, it shows they were capable of doing the work assigned.
All working in the government shows me is, they worked in the government.

Plenty of 'good' people have sold out for money, hence why terms like 'SOLD OUT' exist.

I have met people from all walks of life, scientists, doctors, lawyers, politicians etc. They went to school for years. They had degrees, and to be quite honest they were complete morons or very bad people.
Their degree was just that, a degree. Their resume just a piece of paper that showed where they worked. It in no way represents who they are as people.

Nurses are meant to save lives which would mean they are good people, but how many have we seen that were 'angels of death'?

It's blind eyed and ignorant to use that as a "THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE THEM" excuse.

You cannot look into this area of interest without being skeptical, every scientist should be skeptical, or understand why people are skeptical until presented with proof.
A good scientist can be wrong. Science is never right or wrong as it is always changing.

But yes, for god knows how long we always get these big claims, these big announcements and then they turn out to be nothing.
Evidence is claimed to be real, but it is never produced. It's always anecdotal. It's always hearsay, or an opinion. The photos are potato quality so not even Stephen Hawking can actually say what they are, except 'teh photo exists'.
So you'll have to excuse us when many of us are Jaded and kind of over the whole "half a story" crap we're always being fed like this.

If you have evidence, share it or GTFO I say.

Sure you want to throw your hard earned cash away on # you believe, good for you. But don't be then telling people to leave the discussion because they do not hold the same opinion as you.
That's censorship and nothing more.
You should want healthy discussion, all angles looked at. If not then it just proves you just want everyone to think as you do, you want reality to bend to your will and that is no good for science or progress. It just stagnates us.

This is ATS, we should question everything. Isn't that the whole point to this site?

If you cannot handle that, maybe YOU should leave the discussion, and maybe go find one where everyone is blowing smoke up each others a-holes and saying exactly what you want them to.

But yes, believing in things without proof is how you end up with crap like religion and all the crusades and witch hunts that go along with it.

SCIENCE IS NOT FAITH, SCIENCE IS NOT BELIEF, SCIENCE IS FACTS, SCIENCE IS ALWAYS EVOLVING.


edit on 13-10-2017 by AtomicKangaroo because: typos as usual. probably more in there lol.



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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We all want to know...but the problems here are HUGE. The corporation has stated SOLELY that it wants to do research and development, not that it has any significant disclosure information or proprietary technology. The corporation has released no significant disclosure information or evidence. It is therefore much more likely the corporation does not posses any evidence, or have any authority for "government disclosure". It has retired spook consultants.

Spooks, retired or not, are compartmetalized by default, and often talentless through bureaucratic inbreeding, Thats why the best science doesn't usually come from spooks. But we are being sold on this being "special" because postured before us are a bunch of retired bureaucratic spooks [the skunkworks guy probably being an exception]. You can have a spook running the fringe remote-viewing program who specializes in nothing else but one small, underfunded, fringe program. That spook doesn't know jackshiz, may not know about the psychic field as a whole, or human consciousness in general, any more than you or I. I see a list of such spooks here. Having a Phd and a limited range of study does not equate with talent for studying unknown systems or particular anomalies in mind, spirit or physics...the fringe areas these research goals are rooted toward. For instance one of CIA retirees [AKA "consultants"] specialized solely in database modelling. Thus he will turn the "paranormal psychological research" into his narrow brand of mega-database analysis , much like the marginally-successful mega-intelligence databases used in counterterrorism. just as the couterterrorism mega-intelligence databases limit the concept of human freedom, that same type of approach used in human psychology anomaly can be more a LIMITATION than it is a portent of grand future revelation. Each of these guys [except possibly the skunkworks guy], in my mind brings a narrow set of limitations and very little credible evidence to the table professionally; imo, I see retired bureaucratic specialists, not the discoverers of a new age, nor those assigned to do the disclosure for the government, which may not possess all that much to disclose anyway. What we have here are some defense agency insiders ["credibility"] linked to a research startup that has nothing rolling. These guys share a belief/knowlege that the physics of these anomalies are REAL PHYSICS...BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT.

Deeper concerns lie within the corporate model. The corporate model, even if branded "public serving for-profit" is a secretive model, especially in research and development. Patents do not come from disclosure. Invested monies bring no promise of full transparency or disclosure of corporate "discoveries or developments'. instead, a branded film production output is promised that sounds like infomercials for investment, or a poorly made discovery planet show on aliens. the UFO is a seasoned community, and expects real evidence, not a ragtag research and development team pursuing coporate profits in secretive areas with no INSIDE ANYTHING to offer. The biggest secrets could not be disclosed by the corporation until patents and markets were pre-owned. secrecy is guaranteed in that light IF ANY DISCOVERIES WERE EVER MADE. No discoveries have been made except that there are UFOs we dont understand, there are physics we hypothesize, and we already knew people are psychic...but none of it has be proven.

all the best to these gentlemen. i too believe as they do regarding the scientific "unknowns", and i think there is sufficient evidence supporting belief in the physics of these anomalies. i hope they succeed. but this is not disclosure, government or otherwise.




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posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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Tom's net worth.

If Tommy boy is really worth about $80Million+ as so many articles online claim, has he dropped a few of his own millions into this?

Anyone got any info on how much he invests of his own dollars into these projects?

Amazing how the insanely rich always seem to want others to pay for their stuff. I guess that is why they're rich and generally stay that way....



posted on Oct, 13 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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Among the Company's planned projects is an Advanced Electromagnetic Vehicle (see rendering HERE), which its Aerospace Division Director (and former Program Director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works) Steve Justice describes as "a concept for an international point-to-point transportation craft that could dramatically reduce the current travel limits of distance and time. It mimics the capabilities observed in Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon by employing a drive system that alters the space-time metric. We have glimpses of how the physics of this works, but we need to harvest technologies from the Science Division to 'realize' the capability."

Source: markets.businessinsider.com/news/st ocks
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