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Las Vegas Shooting **Shots were fired before rapid fire began**. MSM not showing this video

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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: NotTheCIA

My speculation on having more than one shooter is the fact that swat had to breach the connecting door to room 32134. The shooter supposedly was firing out that broken window too? Yet, before he offed himself...he locked the connector door...exited out into the hallway to go through his own room... Left that door ajar and pushed a cart with camera attached up in front of it..then barricaded his own door again? What?


This is confusing - what you wrote. I don't think this is the story and I've heard that the only time the door was ajar was when the security guard approached the first time. After that I thought it was closed. Where are you getting this story? Is it from a press confrence or something? I know the first 45 min press confrenece by police chief was very unclear about the door and basically the entire breach (it seemed so muddy that he didn't really know what happened or he didn't agree with the "official" story and stumbled through it as such).

What REALLY makes no sense is that the breach team was 2 patrol officers and 2 off duty K9 trainers. They brought no dogs (which this is the EXACT situation for which they are most advantageous!!!). A K9 officer also had explosive charges for some reason!? REALLY? They aren't SWAT (which is who should have been there since they know what room the shooter was in before he even fired!!). If the story is that it was for training, that's bs as they use fabric swatches with different types of explosives to train the dogs b/c there are so many explosives they can't have 50 different live explosive devices for training.




posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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I just read some comments on youtube, in different videos of the incident.
Unfortunately i can´t find the photos one guy was talking about, about blood at the dead body:

There are two pools of blood one on carpet which is dried up as it's been there for some time and fresh blood on what used to be his face.

I just could find the MSM pics where you can see only the legs of the dead body.
Sorry, Daily Mail

Like in this video here, where the guy is talking about a note the shooter left, but i remember that the shooter allegedly did some maths(wind, angels and that stuff) before shooting, and that´s written on this note. That´s at least what was told by officials, if i remember right.

Aren´t there too less shells on the floor?

And why are all the guns scattered all around, like for a presentation, for good photos? It would make more sense if the guns were all gathered by the shooters side, at the window, but not in the bath tub and all around the room.

Is it right that there are no videos around showing gun fire from the 32nd floor? I had a lot to do the last days so i couldn´t follow everything as i wanted. I read this in several different comments n YT.

Also questions were raised, like:
Why are there exactly zero interviews of staff and of visitors of the Mandala Bay Hotel?
Except those in an australien newspaper, from australian eyewitnesses:
The Courier Mail

In this interview am eyewitness describes that she and her friend saw a "person of interest" running away, wearing a security uniform/vest/jacket. Chased by several others that were wearing security uniforms/vests/jackets.

Why are there no pics of the shattered glass that has to be located outside of the hotel?

What´s with the security videos of that hotel, where are the evidence videos of the killing of that security guy in front of the door? Or any evidence videos from inside the Mandala Bay Hotel.

Where are the 200 bullet holes in the walls, the door, that he allegedly shot on that security guy. Did just a few of those 200 shots miss the security guy? Where is the blood?

What was with the broken windows on the other hotel, i forgot the name, that never could have been shot from the 32nd floor of the Mandala Bay Hotel?

Then the several different shots, that sound in my ears like coming from everywhere but not the 32nd floor of the Mandala Bay Hotel, before the automatic gun fire.

Then somebody entered the house of Paddock secretly, took nothing, destroyed nothing, and went away unseen.
What maybe did he leave?

As i said, i couldn´t follow everything the last days and some of these things might be cleared up and i just don´t know.

But i think that´s a deep, deep rabbit hole there!

edit on 11 10 2017 by DerBeobachter because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: The4thLegacy


A good analysis on the video. I've watched a few different ones by now, and what seems to be missing is any sign at all of bullets striking the ground, which you would think would be easy to see.


Here ya go. I also looked for bullet strikes. They can be found, but ya just have to remember, they are not as pronounced as "Hollywood" would have you believe.




posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: The4thLegacy
a reply to: lordcomac

Not one word in MSM about shots fired before the rapid fire shots. This video you clearly hear about 8 to 10 single shots that almost sound like sniper rounds.


Have you guys been watching the news? They've actually been reporting this for 2 days. I despise the media too but damn, what's with the blatant lies?



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: All Seeing Eye


Here ya go. I also looked for bullet strikes. They can be found, but ya just have to remember, they are not as pronounced as "Hollywood" would have you believe.



That looks to me like an illuminated, abandoned mobile getting kicked by one of the people as they flee.
edit on 11-10-2017 by smurfy because: Text.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye


Here ya go. I also looked for bullet strikes. They can be found, but ya just have to remember, they are not as pronounced as "Hollywood" would have you believe.



That looks to me like an illuminated, abandoned mobile getting kicked by one of the people as they flee.
At first glance it does appear that way. But going frame by frame you can see its actually the blast of a bullet, going by it, that kicks the abandon mobile cup, "plastic cup" towards the camera, perpendicular to the stage.

Slowing it down you can also see the cup is starting to move, before, the lady gets to it. Only two or so frames of the video actually catch the white streak of the bullet.

Download the original unedited video, before all traces of it are purged.

"Las Vegas SHOOTER SHOCKING NEW FOOTAGE (Mandalay Bay SHOOTING) [HD, 1280x720]"
1:23
Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Hotel Shooting Like Youve Never Seen Before Timeline Compilation! [SD, 854x480]
7:04

edit on PMWednesdayWednesday thAmerica/ChicagoAmerica/Chicago271012 by All Seeing Eye because: added video names



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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Put this in the other two big threads but adding here because it pertains here as well:

I posted this in another thread but adding here to the "big one" for reference....

What the actual heck?

Now, there is a maintenance man Steven who was interviewed just a short time ago and claims he was shot at on the 32nd floor AFTER Campos was already shot in the leg - so this would be in the six minutes prior to the massacre down below. He credits Campos with saving his life by warning him to "take cover" right before he (the new "Steven") was shot at by Paddock when Paddock shot down the hall. Again, he states in his interview that Campos was ALREADY shot in the leg at this point. Furthermore, the reporters apparently heard a recording of this Steven calling in the shooting because they remark about how calm he seems in the recording.

This throws the whole timeline (and sounds) out of whack AGAIN.

BUT - it also "explains" (ahem...) the taxi driver hearing muffled shooting (that sounded far away) before the outside volleys. Since shots "down the hall" would sound muffled.

WTH????

www.chicagotribune.com...

Updated to add new "CNN" timeline: www.cnn.com...



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: NotTheCIA

My speculation on having more than one shooter is the fact that swat had to breach the connecting door to room 32134. The shooter supposedly was firing out that broken window too? Yet, before he offed himself...he locked the connector door...exited out into the hallway to go through his own room... Left that door ajar and pushed a cart with camera attached up in front of it..then barricaded his own door again? What?


This is confusing - what you wrote. I don't think this is the story and I've heard that the only time the door was ajar was when the security guard approached the first time. After that I thought it was closed. Where are you getting this story? Is it from a press confrence or something? I know the first 45 min press confrenece by police chief was very unclear about the door and basically the entire breach (it seemed so muddy that he didn't really know what happened or he didn't agree with the "official" story and stumbled through it as such).

What REALLY makes no sense is that the breach team was 2 patrol officers and 2 off duty K9 trainers. They brought no dogs (which this is the EXACT situation for which they are most advantageous!!!). A K9 officer also had explosive charges for some reason!? REALLY? They aren't SWAT (which is who should have been there since they know what room the shooter was in before he even fired!!). If the story is that it was for training, that's bs as they use fabric swatches with different types of explosives to train the dogs b/c there are so many explosives they can't have 50 different live explosive devices for training.


I am trying to find the news article earlier on where I had read that. It may be that the media misreported it in the early days. Even in this article from Oct 3, from CNN...the original stories don't necessary match up with what is being told today.


Police entered the hotel to begin working their way to the shooter's sniper nest.
"A team of six officers that approached security, they went up the elevators after discussing the situation with the security and obtaining intelligence," Lombardo said.
"And they checked each floor by floor until they located where they believe to be the room," the sheriff said.
High up on the hotel's residential floors, a first responder radioed in: "I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear automatic fire coming from one floor ahead... one floor above us."
"Subsequently they approached the room, received gunfire, they backed off and SWAT responded," Lombardo said.
Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said once the first responders had "isolated this individual to the two rooms, our SWAT team used the explosive breaching to go in and confront the individual."


CNN News Article dated 10/03/2017

Edit add: I can't help but feel that the earlier releases may be more truer in many aspects, than after the FBI showed up and took over.
edit on 10 11 2017 by CynConcepts because: (no reason given)


Edit add2: for that matter, they reported that statement from Lambardo the day before. I just want to know why it is only campos and schuck encountering gunfire in the hallway now? It was stated it was the initial officers who took fire!


-- A team of six officers spoke with security at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Paddock was staying, and searched the hotel floor-by-floor Sunday night before they found Paddock's room, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters.
-- Paddock, 64, fired at the officers through the door, Lombardo said. A SWAT team broke down the door, but Paddock had already killed himself, Lombardo said.


CNN 10/02/2017 article



edit on 10 11 2017 by CynConcepts because: (no reason given)

edit on 10 11 2017 by CynConcepts because: Fixed quote



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts
Police entered the hotel to begin working their way to the shooter's sniper nest.
"A team of six officers that approached security, they went up the elevators after discussing the situation with the security and obtaining intelligence," Lombardo said.
"And they checked each floor by floor until they located where they believe to be the room," the sheriff said.
High up on the hotel's residential floors, a first responder radioed in: "I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear automatic fire coming from one floor ahead... one floor above us."
"Subsequently they approached the room, received gunfire, they backed off and SWAT responded," Lombardo said.
Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said once the first responders had "isolated this individual to the two rooms, our SWAT team used the explosive breaching to go in and confront the individual."

CNN News Article dated 10/03/2017

Edit add: I can't help but feel that the earlier releases may be more truer in many aspects, than after the FBI showed up and took over.

Edit add2: for that matter, they reported that statement from Lambardo the day before. I just want to know why it is only campos and schuck encountering gunfire in the hallway now? It was stated it was the initial officers who took fire!


-- A team of six officers spoke with security at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Paddock was staying, and searched the hotel floor-by-floor Sunday night before they found Paddock's room, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters.
-- Paddock, 64, fired at the officers through the door, Lombardo said. A SWAT team broke down the door, but Paddock had already killed himself, Lombardo said.


CNN 10/02/2017 article



Well, one thing that appears to be different from the original is that no police were at Paddocks door until 17 mins approx after the injured security man was found, if he was found around the 9.59 mark, that's a while before any shooting started...to the outside that is....and 10/11 minutes later before police arrived, while its given in most reports that Paddock fired for 10 minutes, that's all the time taken up, including the zero moment. Does that sound about right?


edit on 11-10-2017 by smurfy because: Text.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: CynConcepts
Police entered the hotel to begin working their way to the shooter's sniper nest.
"A team of six officers that approached security, they went up the elevators after discussing the situation with the security and obtaining intelligence," Lombardo said.
"And they checked each floor by floor until they located where they believe to be the room," the sheriff said.
High up on the hotel's residential floors, a first responder radioed in: "I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear automatic fire coming from one floor ahead... one floor above us."
"Subsequently they approached the room, received gunfire, they backed off and SWAT responded," Lombardo said.
Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said once the first responders had "isolated this individual to the two rooms, our SWAT team used the explosive breaching to go in and confront the individual."

CNN News Article dated 10/03/2017

Edit add: I can't help but feel that the earlier releases may be more truer in many aspects, than after the FBI showed up and took over.

Edit add2: for that matter, they reported that statement from Lambardo the day before. I just want to know why it is only campos and schuck encountering gunfire in the hallway now? It was stated it was the initial officers who took fire!


-- A team of six officers spoke with security at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Paddock was staying, and searched the hotel floor-by-floor Sunday night before they found Paddock's room, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters.
-- Paddock, 64, fired at the officers through the door, Lombardo said. A SWAT team broke down the door, but Paddock had already killed himself, Lombardo said.


CNN 10/02/2017 article



Well, one thing that appears to be different from the original is that no police were at Paddocks door until 17 mins approx after the injured security man was found, if he was found around the 9.53 mark, that's a while before any shooting started...to the outside that is.



Where did you find that 17 mins time listed? It is the first I have heard that 9:53 time frame as well. Is this a new update?

Clarification add: the last I heard was that the security guard was shot at 9:59, 6 minutes before outdoor shooting occurred.
edit on 10 11 2017 by CynConcepts because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: CynConcepts
Police entered the hotel to begin working their way to the shooter's sniper nest.
"A team of six officers that approached security, they went up the elevators after discussing the situation with the security and obtaining intelligence," Lombardo said.
"And they checked each floor by floor until they located where they believe to be the room," the sheriff said.
High up on the hotel's residential floors, a first responder radioed in: "I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear automatic fire coming from one floor ahead... one floor above us."
"Subsequently they approached the room, received gunfire, they backed off and SWAT responded," Lombardo said.
Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said once the first responders had "isolated this individual to the two rooms, our SWAT team used the explosive breaching to go in and confront the individual."

CNN News Article dated 10/03/2017

Edit add: I can't help but feel that the earlier releases may be more truer in many aspects, than after the FBI showed up and took over.

Edit add2: for that matter, they reported that statement from Lambardo the day before. I just want to know why it is only campos and schuck encountering gunfire in the hallway now? It was stated it was the initial officers who took fire!


-- A team of six officers spoke with security at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Paddock was staying, and searched the hotel floor-by-floor Sunday night before they found Paddock's room, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters.
-- Paddock, 64, fired at the officers through the door, Lombardo said. A SWAT team broke down the door, but Paddock had already killed himself, Lombardo said.


CNN 10/02/2017 article



Well, one thing that appears to be different from the original is that no police were at Paddocks door until 17 mins approx after the injured security man was found, if he was found around the 9.53 mark, that's a while before any shooting started...to the outside that is.



Where did you find that 17 mins time listed? It is the first I have heard that 9:53 time frame as well. Is this a new update?

Clarification add: the last I heard was that the security guard was shot at 9:59, 6 minutes before outdoor shooting occurred.


No, it was 9.59 I've already changed that typo, (and added more for clarity) The 17 minutes was the figure given by CNN when the new report was issued.

In edit,

No one is believing this changed statement from the police. The security man was found by the maintenance man, that's 9.59.
The maintenance man radios to the hotel security telling them there is shooting on the 32 floor...and to call the police. The Hotel has released that call which was recorded, and you can hear the shooting as the maintenance man is speaking and it is loud! it stands to reason that the hotel must have called the police, and it stands to reason that the police could not have been there in the new timeline, unless some police were already there for whatever reason.

abc7.com...
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posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

If those HAD been set off / exploded, I imagine it would have diverted much of the LVMPD. In which case, SP would have had likely had more time to perform his massacre. Thank God he was not successful with that part and that those fuel tanks did not incinerate...




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