Las Vegas Shooting **Shots were fired before rapid fire began**. MSM not showing this video

I shared a timeline from videos on another thread but think it may be more applicable to your thread. The first shots through the final shots.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I am not sure or others will find the following timeline useful, but I thought I would put it out here. It is based off two videos (links below). Some mathematicians out there may find it interesting as well.

Perimeter video gunfire timeline

3:12                    1st shot with no impact echo
3:16-3:20      2 single shots with impact echoes
3:25.                  Jason Aldean song ends
3:35.                  Last song begins - crowd is already starting towards exit
3:40-3:45.   Cameraman asks, "What's going on?" as crowd surges to exit
3:50-4:01       1st barrage of gunfire 
4:38-4:47.    2nd barrage 
5:05-5:14.        3rd barrage
5:34-5:44.     4th barrage
6:28-7:33?       Inaudible, possible single shots and short barrage
8:44-8:54.      5th audible barrage
9:54-10:01         6th barrage

At this point, Bus Stop Video and this one merge timelines
10:22-10:31.        7th Barrage
11:15-11:24.            8th Barrage
12:35-12:44.     9th barrage
13:01-13:06.        Short 10th barrage unable to hear single shots afterwards on perimeter vid

Bus stop video Only
38 seconds after last short barrage
3:25.    Single shot
3:35.   Final single shot. 


Full length HD perimeter footage from the first shot to final barrage link

Bus stop video links

In the15:45 version of the new video, I'm 90% sure that there is another helicopter visible for a few seconds at about 1:17 as he pans left past the pyramid.

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There were helicopters the whole night. However

As an eye witness at the base of Mandalay Bay Hotel there were no helicopters visible at 10:02-10:06ish??? I did hear the fireworks noise but couln't hear much else other than cars honking etc Vegas noise.

originally posted by: Illumimasontruth
This whole incident really leaves a lot to wonder and think about. It stinks on so many levels.
I've even seen one video on youtube that really shows a legit possibility of crisis actors being on site. It was called something like Las Vegas the first shots, about 15 very insightful minutes of great footage.

Well, there were these two ladies who had a story to tell about the couple who said they were all going to die. (ff to 6.07)

Also, in the same video, at about 3:50, I would SWEAR that I see muzzle flash on the roof of the other hotel. It REALLY looks like muzzle flash.

a reply to: Illumimasontruth

The LEO's have since said the notes were phone numbers, not calculations. My question about the test shot theory is, do you really need to test fire when aiming at a target that large? Do we think he was aiming at a particular person? If it didn't perform as good as he thought, would he have changed his mind an not shot?

From that height and distance, he was shooting downward at a fairly drastic angle. I just don't see the need for test shots.

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

I have heard some surmise that:
a) Those single beginning "shots" could be the tool used to break the windows OR
b) They could be the shots to the fuel tanks (with a more targeted shot / refile) and when they failed, the barrage started.

There is also the explosion sound heard in that video (right after the single shots) that CynConcepts posted above, that causes people in the back to really start running (again, from the back) before the volley shots started.

a reply to: smurfy

She (and her mom) have since walked that back and saying it was directed toward a single girl up front the couple was fighting with...

Dunno... still strange.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Those are the two theories I have heard as well.

a reply to: queenofswords

There is "a guy" (I know - I know - tons of theories) - who says that...

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

Not enough answers for all our questions, but that's how it goes sometimes.

I do agree that even for an amateur shooter, many of those weapons required almost no aim for this incident.

Right now my biggest question would be why did it take authorities so long to get to the room number they were given? I'm also still a bit shocked the stage lights were turned on right after the heavy shooting started.

It is easy to over analyse parts of these incidents too. Some people just panic and make mistakes when crap hits the fan.

a reply to: MteWamp

I see what could be muzzle flash at 2:54 of the video

I heard that sound (muffled "thumping" - like a helicopter) in many videos and I think that is when he was firing the shots into the hallway, if in fact he did fire "200" rounds into the hallway. IDK if the window in the suite was busted out by then, maybe not, or if the one in the other room was busted out. If he was firing from the suite into the hallway and the window in the other room was busted, it may produce a sound like that on the ground.

There still is the question of the 6 clear loud shots (and many auto fire more distant/muffled shots) that went off before the last song was performed. Some people "thought" it was fireworks but it is clear that many people were uneasy at that point and thought they were in danger by the way the left towards the back.

I remember hearing that a security guard had been killed - reported by a number of media channels and their source was Mandalay bay security. This is backed up by the Aussie that stated the same thing. Could this "dead" guard be a co-conspirator and the "Campos" guard - "the hero" be something else we aren't yet clear on?

This story of the breach is falling apart. Watched 60 mins and the 4 men were 2 patrol officers and 2 off duty K-9 trainers - NOT SWAT!!?? They knew the shooter was on 32 before it is being reported, the casino knew for sure. Why was the REAL SWAT not sent there? Supposedly SWAT snipers were set up with vantage points to the room as per the officers who breached. Also, why would K9 trainers (off duty) have explosive charges while not on duty - that is seriously odd and seems wrong on may levels. If it is for training the dogs, they use swabs or swatches of cloth with the material on them, not live munitions!!

If 2 were K9 officers, why didn't they bring dogs with them to breach? That is the ideal situation for use of dogs and largely what they are used for - situations where they don't know what is behind the door, have a dangerous perp, and where they could be mistaken to be the perp by snipers. Send in the dog(s) to neutralize the shooter. This is all wrong.

This whole story is getting more tangled and revealing that it is all a cover and a web of lies. What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

originally posted by: MteWamp
Also, in the same video, at about 3:50, I would SWEAR that I see muzzle flash on the roof of the other hotel. It REALLY looks like muzzle flash.

What video are you talking about - there have been about 10 posted in this thread...

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
a reply to: MteWamp

I see what could be muzzle flash at 2:54 of the video

In which video? I looked at all the video's in this thread and not one video has gunfire at the 2:54 mark. Either your time is off or the video isn't here anymore. Post a link to the video you are talking about.

Anyone else find it weird his brother's address is 320?

originally posted by: lordcomac
Can't watch the video, but the one I saw yesterday I heard 2-3 shots a good 20 seconds before rapid fire began.

Is the official story denying those?

Wouldn't surprise me. IMO the whole thing was staged by one of our overfunded TLA's, who happen to control the media.

There has been speculation that the initial shots heard were targeting the fuel storage tanks. He managed to pierce one of the tanks but failed to ignite the fuel. The thought process was he blows up the tanks and then opens firing in the resulting confusion / panic all the while the gun shots would be difficult to hear over all the commotion.

originally posted by: Flesh699
Anyone else find it weird his brother's address is 320?

I find it weird the FBI can essentially close this case in 12 hours yet cant seem to do the same for the Trump investigations.

Give me one possible benefit to concealing information about a known second shooter. Other than 'they lied to us(because they can)'.

The authenticity of most evidence of a second shooter presented has been asinine. What a useless echo-chamber, I've come closer to proving Jesus existence than a second shooter based on the actual evidence presented in this case.

There is as clear indication and as much evidence of a second shooter, as there is of Hell in the after life.

The next person to claim such, should have at the least a selfie with the second shooter to forego how much false data has been presented about that possibility.

And if that is not the case, I would now like to offer my evidence of a second shooter. Essentially, we cannot prove that Paddock is incapable of teleportation. If you think about it, it seems obvious teleportation was used, and this is why we don't see a second shooter. He teleported away. Now that has been established with air tight logic, we can skip facts and get straight to motive, and whatever fits the narrative of 2 shooters best.

These days, it almost seems like you just want # to argue over. You don't even care there was a terrorist attack, you just want to win yet another 'war' of disinformation. For what? Who knows.

a reply to: NotTheCIA

My speculation on having more than one shooter is the fact that swat had to breach the connecting door to room 32134. The shooter supposedly was firing out that broken window too? Yet, before he offed himself...he locked the connector door...exited out into the hallway to go through his own room... Left that door ajar and pushed a cart with camera attached up in front of it..then barricaded his own door again? What?

Wouldn't a lone shooter simply walk through the connector door and lock it from his own room? It just doesn't make any real sense that a lone shooter would expose himself to anyone in the hallway, especially after he apparently was already surprised by a security guard from there!