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Conservatives are the real campus thought police squashing academic freedom

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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Indeed. Although Drexel is a private institution, freedom of speech, along with many others, are natural rights as well as Constitutionally protected rights.



This is not a Constitutional event...As an employer I can tell you what to say, how to say it, what to wear, when to work, how to act so on and so on, you can quit and I can fire....


Actually, no you can't do any of that. You can act in compliance with your stated company policies (which I agreed to upon accepting a position) and State and Federal law.

You can fire in most states at will, yes, with certain legal restrictions. That's not in any way germane to this point.

ETA: Further, I didn't claim that the Professor's placement on leave was a Constitutional event, did I? I stated that there is a natural right to freedom of speech and expression. I stated that this natural right is encoded in the US Constitution, and I further claimed that the concept of "academic freedom" finds its placement somewhere between the two categories.
edit on 10-10-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted




posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

And that article, like another article CNN posted, and I am certain other leftwing sites have also posted, is nothing but BS...

White people doesn't equal all NAZIS, or the idiotic narrative from the left these days "all white people are conservatives"...

There are millions of white people who are Muslims, there are thousands or tens of thousands or more white people who are Antifa, There are millions of white people in the U.S. who are democrats, socialist, communist, anarchist, or progressives...

You are going to tell me no white people could have committed murder because of their far-left-wing affiliations?... Do you know how absurd such an argument is?...

But of course instead of posting facts the narrative of the left, and even the op, is to try to claim that "white people = right-wing", which is of course false...


edit on 10-10-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I won't speak for Krazy ... but none of your post has anything to do with the article; try reading it.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xtrozero

Why would you "lean" to the idea that he silenced himself? There's zero evidence for that in the material provided.



My question was if he was put on Admin leave for improper actions then in effect would that not be a case where his actions were the caused for his silenced and not "Conservatives are the real campus thought police squashing academic freedom"?

In simple terms no one to blame but himself...



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Any evidence at all for your hypothetical?



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: Mandroid7Its not nicknamed the Washington Compost for nothing. Its seriously a cess pool of yellow journalism so good luck trying to be taken seriously using them as a source.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

How does this have anything to do with free speech on campuses?

Some jackass tweeted his opinion about white men being snowflakes and shooting people when they don't get what they want. That's a Twitter issue, not a campus issue. Just because he's a professor doesn't mean he gets a free pass on Twitter.

Too bad he got such a dramatic backlash, but he tweets some dumb stuff and clearly has a knack for trolling. The response he got is all part of the game he's playing.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xtrozero

Any evidence at all for your hypothetical?


Lol that is what I'm asking... the suggestion is "Conservatives are the real campus thought police squashing academic freedom" and i'm asking could it be just him?



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don’t agree with your source, but I do agree with your sentiment. The truth of the matter is that ultimately, both sides do agree with freedom of speech — as long as it falls in line with what they have to say. The problem is not whether you fall on the right or the left. The problem is a lack of human decency and respect from both sides. It’s been near constant bickering from both sides since Trump announced his candidacy ... and for what? What have any of you changed, whining and complaining about what the other side did this week? Maybe if I grab a stick and start beating the earth in protest of the government as a whole, I can be as effective as the rest of you in creating change.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Indeed. Although Drexel is a private institution, freedom of speech, along with many others, are natural rights as well as Constitutionally protected rights.



This is not a Constitutional event...As an employer I can tell you what to say, how to say it, what to wear, when to work, how to act so on and so on, you can quit and I can fire....


Actually, no you can't do any of that. You can act in compliance with your stated company policies (which I agreed to upon accepting a position) and State and Federal law.

You can fire in most states at will, yes, with certain legal restrictions. That's not in any way germane to this point.

ETA: Further, I didn't claim that the Professor's placement on leave was a Constitutional event, did I? I stated that there is a natural right to freedom of speech and expression. I stated that this natural right is encoded in the US Constitution, and I further claimed that the concept of "academic freedom" finds its placement somewhere between the two categories.


Yes you have a right to speech BUT your employer also has the same right and can express it with punishment in written or verbal form. We have the right to free speech but w e also have th e right to accept the consequences of using that right as well.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: yuppa

An employer is bound by Federal and State law and by any employment agreement.

Employment at will is not indentured servitude.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Wapo!? Might as well be Before Its News!!



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Here's the thing, if you think it is ok for people to send this guy death threats for writing his opinion on white race relations in a manner that you perceive as potentially offensive, then you shouldn't have a problem with liberals blocking doors, rioting, whathaveyou for speakers they find potentially offensive. It's the same # show. Just a different stink.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 07:12 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrepid

Just creating context here. I'm tired of being blamed that free speech is being eroded in the country just because I'm a liberal when both partisan sides are responsible for these activities. Granted none of it is a violation of the 1st Amendment, but this double standard needs to be addressed.


The idea that on a college campus the right is the real thought police is absolutely absurd.

Just because a bunch of right-wing internet bullies sent him threats? How does that compare to violent rallies where people are assaulted for what they think, or even better, what some rioting leftist believes they think.

The right-wing may be the thought police on pro football fields and many other places, but on campus isn't one of them.

Why do you need to compare anything? Both are equally wrong.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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Dang them who told them college was a place of higher learning,isn't it a place to screw off and use parents money?,the youth today are worthless at least the ones who practice this,when I was young it was a struggle to go to college and work,guess that is the old out dated fasion way



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

That must be why in college my professors literally said Republican voters should not vote.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I can agree with that.

I'm sure the majority of Antifa are white, thus proving OPs point of innate white violence.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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I can understand this argument, but the reality is that there is no shortage of extremely liberal opinions in University classrooms, while conservative viewpoints are completely non existent. Im a senior attending a 4-year University in the U.S. and have heard some wacky things in some classes, all very liberal.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: Health

I've gone to college in ma and SC, have yet to see conservative views drown out liberals. I have seen the reverse.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Can you see how the title of this thread was misleading and provocative?

“Conservatives are the real thought police squashing academic freedom”

This is contradictory to your point. Maybe if you wanted to properly illustrate your point the name of your thread should have been,

“Conservatives are just as responsible for squashing academic freedom as their liberal counterparts”

But no, your intent was not that of showing that both sides are equally wrong; but rather bringing a new shade of grey to a sufficiently dull argument about which side is more wrong.




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