Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: trollz

This is odd because there was nothing reported on the radio scanners about it. I wouldn't be surprised if he reported it to his security boss and they kept it in-house not realizing the full extent about what was to go on.

Or none of that happened. How many times are they going to change their story before we realize they are not telling us what actually happened?

All of the tools and resources they have at their disposal: they know what happened.

Yup they know exactly what happened.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: netwarrior

Mmmmmmmm i beg to differ, 5.56 is a very fast, very small round. I do belive it would not cause a great deal of splintering. Photo quality is too poor to really tell if there is any splintering, would you agree with that fact?

I believe they are outgoing rounds.
If they are incoming rounds, who were they shooting at? The shooter was already dead on their arrival, so they say.
When I heard the radio call to dispatch from the team on the floor, the guy was whispering that they were ready to breach the door....they never said they fired rounds through the door.
They couldn't possibly know who or how many people were in that room, unless you got trigger happy cops, they didn't fire through the door.

Right. If the bad guy was dead before they got there then there would be no sounds coming from the inside of the room, how would they know where to shoot? I agree those are exit holes. That door accounts for about ten...190 to go

They shoot through doors in the movies. It's not how trained individuals do it in reality.

a reply to: worsaw

Judging by the way the glass is broken that's the broken window from room 32324.

Judging by the lack of sound and change in the scene, that was most likely filmed the next night, there are photos from October 3 that show the broken windows at night.

a reply to: trollz

Even the mainstream and not so mainstream are commenting on this on television and elsewhere.

Last night on FoX, Tucker Carlson did a segment on this, admonishing the investigation, the mistruths and the confusion.

Today it was David Wilcox, Glen Beck, etc.

Even my mild mannered sheeple friends are saying WTH?

I was never one to call False Flag every time something happened, but, yeah...

I'm totally convinced this was a false flag.

originally posted by: ABNARTY
a reply to: diggindirt

In response to doorway theory.

I do not know what the interior walls were made of so I cannot answer that. If they were load bearing and solid concrete, I would say you could be correct. If they were not load bearing and standard construction, drywall will not stop 5.56 at that distance. Too much energy. If old dude steps out of the way, it would not have made any difference.

This assumes of course (the story is fluid) the shooter just fired through the door/door area. It assumes he never opened the door to fire at the security guard. I cannot answer either way.

Good point about not stopping a bullet but anyone who has ever hunted will know how easily bullets are deflected when striking even small objects--like a twig. Another poster, Flyingclaydisk, explained this better than I could in a recent post. Also, most drywall construction has metal plates on corners to keep the corners from being crushed when accidentally hit. Think service carts and such that must be trundled up and down the halls. That might have saved the poor guy's life---enough deflection to give him a minor thigh wound instead of a round to the chest that could have proved fatal.

I once saw a kid come into the ER of the hospital where I worked who had run from behind a building into the path of a bullet. She was "hit" by the bullet but a metal button on her jacket had deflected the bullet and although the metal button had penetrated the skin and there was a lot of blood doctors couldn't find the bullet in the wound. That caused a lot of concern about where the bullet could have gone. X-rays didn't show any metal in her chest. It wasn't until a doc with military combat experience came by and asked to see the clothing she was wearing that the mystery of the missing bullet was explained. Sometimes Fate is kind.

Yea,that makes sense. It does seem awfully quiet

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: worsaw

Judging by the way the glass is broken that's the broken window from room 32324.

Judging by the lack of sound and change in the scene, that was most likely filmed the next night, there are photos from October 3 that show the broken windows at night.

I was reading on CNN yesterday that Paddocks Nevada house was robbed right under the FBI's nose, but I will be damned if I can find it on a google search ANYWHERE now. Has anyone else seen this?

Here's what's been swirling in my mind today, as a way to make some sense of the changing Campos story line:

1.) At some point, before the night of the shooting event, Jesus Campos met Stephen Paddock at the hotel.

2.) My personal theory is that Campos stumbled upon Paddock's arsenal...(Possibly while they were being moved to Paddock's room).

3.) Campos was about to report this, but Paddock quickly intervened to convince him not to.

4.) Paddock, being highly intelligent, and a con man by nature,...convinced Campos that he was an FBI agent and that the guns were part of an FBI sting operation (Paddock may even have had phoney credentials)...which was to take place on the night of Oct. 1.

5.) Perhaps Paddock told him secrecy was of the utmost importance and that he must not alert hotel security.

6.) Paddock may even have convinced Campos (and maybe Shuck) to assist him in executing this 'sting' (keeping other security away from the area, or even having him help set up hallway cameras, etc as part of the 'sting' operation).

7.) The night the imaginary FBI sting operation was supposed to go down, Campos goes up to the hallway.

8.) Campos hears the windows being smashed, uses his key to go into the room sees the guns, smashed windows, sniper's nest...has a WTF moment.

9.) Paddock pulls a gun on Campos as Campos either wrestles with Paddock for the gun as it goes off (GSR on hands)...or is shot in the leg running from the room.

10.) Paddock grabs a rifle and starts firing down the hall @ Campos...

11.) The fact that Campos...and, perhaps other hotel employees, was duped into helping facilitate this tragedy (albeit unknowingly) explains why the hotel wants Campos to be a hero, rather than an accomplice. If revealed, from a legal standpoint, this will be disastrous to MGM when the lawsuits come down.

12.) LVPD would be willing to change the narrative by ignoring Campos' unintentional role in the massacre, in support of one of it's largest benefactors (MGM).

13.) The FBI would be less supportive of this option.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: netwarrior

Mmmmmmmm i beg to differ, 5.56 is a very fast, very small round. I do belive it would not cause a great deal of splintering. Photo quality is too poor to really tell if there is any splintering, would you agree with that fact?

I believe they are outgoing rounds.
If they are incoming rounds, who were they shooting at? The shooter was already dead on their arrival, so they say.
When I heard the radio call to dispatch from the team on the floor, the guy was whispering that they were ready to breach the door....they never said they fired rounds through the door.
They couldn't possibly know who or how many people were in that room, unless you got trigger happy cops, they didn't fire through the door.

Right. If the bad guy was dead before they got there then there would be no sounds coming from the inside of the room, how would they know where to shoot? I agree those are exit holes. That door accounts for about ten...190 to go

On another thread someone had shared the fact that the two marker stickers on the still standing upright door meant that those shots were entering not exiting the room. He/she stated that the door on its side would have these same evidence stickers on the opposite side out of view of the camera.

It makes sense to me. You can see the numbered marker 19 in the pic by a gun. So the police had started marking the evidence when the pic was taken. The only question is that no one has come forward to say they fired shots into the room from the hallway? Hmmm.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Actually there were early reports that first responding officers "exchanged gunfire" with Paddock through the hallway.

For example:
variety.com...

Additional security guards and police officers rushed to the scene and exchanged gunfire with Paddock.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: netwarrior

Mmmmmmmm i beg to differ, 5.56 is a very fast, very small round. I do belive it would not cause a great deal of splintering. Photo quality is too poor to really tell if there is any splintering, would you agree with that fact?

I believe they are outgoing rounds.
If they are incoming rounds, who were they shooting at? The shooter was already dead on their arrival, so they say.
When I heard the radio call to dispatch from the team on the floor, the guy was whispering that they were ready to breach the door....they never said they fired rounds through the door.
They couldn't possibly know who or how many people were in that room, unless you got trigger happy cops, they didn't fire through the door.

Right. If the bad guy was dead before they got there then there would be no sounds coming from the inside of the room, how would they know where to shoot? I agree those are exit holes. That door accounts for about ten...190 to go

On another thread someone had shared the fact that the two marker stickers on the still standing upright door meant that those shots were entering not exiting the room. He/she stated that the door on its side would have these same evidence stickers on the opposite side out of view of the camera.

It makes sense to me. You can see the numbered marker 19 in the pic by a gun. So the police had started marking the evidence when the pic was taken. The only question is that no one has come forward to say they fired shots into the room from the hallway? Hmmm.

I noticed that. That and the caution tape covering the door. It appears the photo was taken after all the evidence markers were in place.

Someone mentioned the door could be turned around being that it is off the hinges which is possible. I don't know for a fact obviously which direction the bullets in that door was going but it seems to me that they were coming from inside the room.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

The door # is secondary of there was a 2ndor now 3rd shooter. High shots or low it doesn't matter, Jesus was shot in the leg, that is his story. Two guys cover for each other, they have an alibi.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: netwarrior

Mmmmmmmm i beg to differ, 5.56 is a very fast, very small round. I do belive it would not cause a great deal of splintering. Photo quality is too poor to really tell if there is any splintering, would you agree with that fact?

I believe they are outgoing rounds.
If they are incoming rounds, who were they shooting at? The shooter was already dead on their arrival, so they say.
When I heard the radio call to dispatch from the team on the floor, the guy was whispering that they were ready to breach the door....they never said they fired rounds through the door.
They couldn't possibly know who or how many people were in that room, unless you got trigger happy cops, they didn't fire through the door.

Right. If the bad guy was dead before they got there then there would be no sounds coming from the inside of the room, how would they know where to shoot? I agree those are exit holes. That door accounts for about ten...190 to go

On another thread someone had shared the fact that the two marker stickers on the still standing upright door meant that those shots were entering not exiting the room. He/she stated that the door on its side would have these same evidence stickers on the opposite side out of view of the camera.

It makes sense to me. You can see the numbered marker 19 in the pic by a gun. So the police had started marking the evidence when the pic was taken. The only question is that no one has come forward to say they fired shots into the room from the hallway? Hmmm.

I noticed that. That and the caution tape covering the door. It appears the photo was taken after all the evidence markers were in place.

Someone mentioned the door could be turned around being that it is off the hinges which is possible. I don't know for a fact obviously which direction the bullets in that door was going but it seems to me that they were coming from inside the room.

Most of the holes seen are indeed exiting the room, but if you look closer on the standing door, there are two marker sticker tapes pointing to 2 obvious notes of interests that are hidden by the yellow do not cross tape. Those two marked on the hallway side means what is hidden is external of the room itself. Thus, the reason for this crime scene photo to be taken.

a reply to: IAMTAT

? So, your saying that you could be easily convinced to carry out the plan you just stayed? Either 2/3 are involved or one. Three people now were on the floor. We were told two. Jesus was responding to a door alarm and stop-ed the shooting. Now we have two people on the same floor "esonding to an emergency door alarm" then 6 minutes later shooting onto the concert.

a reply to: gabewalker

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.

a reply to: IAMTAT

LE narative is one shooter, no secone or third yet we have three individuals on the floor prior to the event at the concert. If I was involved, if ( I )wanted a way out, I would take out the others before or after. Three individuals involved, Two walked away clean now hero's. Paddock must have known or soon after when he was #ing with the stairwell door a response. Staff came up, security followed. Steven had lived over a decade in casino's, hotels, why is this his stupid point?

a reply to: gabewalker

Oh and to all the posts about the blood. Head wounds also have CSF mixed, it's led viscous. The CSF/blood penetrates the carpet fibers. IF the carpet was white it would produce a "halo" effect with an outer "whiteish" ring surounfing a reddish ring. Blood coag's on exposure to air.
Less viscous CSF/blood inpregnated in carpet, coag blood on surface.
Stevie took a bullet in the mouth.
That gun cannot be the weapon he used. Every single suicide with a gun I have ever come across, the weapon is still in their hands, in their lap or by their side.
It's an instantaneous drop. There is no flinging around or over their head. It's right in front of them.

originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
a reply to: CynConcepts

Actually there were early reports that first responding officers "exchanged gunfire" with Paddock through the hallway.

For example:
variety.com...

Additional security guards and police officers rushed to the scene and exchanged gunfire with Paddock.

That's right. And first reports were that Paddock was killed by the cops.

a reply to: KansasGirl

And/or killed himself because police closed in on the room....

That was reported many times by the NYT, too.

a reply to: TheWhiteKnight

Great lovely. And this crap gets stars. Unbelievable.. Mods?