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Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: ryeguy1980
a reply to: KansasGirl

Found this while watching some videos.


youtu.be...


Thanks for the link! I can't watch it at the moment but will later..can you give a quick summary in the meantime?




posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: KansasGirl

Someone in another post tried to say that there are 'alarms' that go off if a door is left open too long. But what amount of time is that? If you are leaving a hotel I have had a door wedged for over 10 minutes.

The weird thing is if there was an alarm the first thing you would check is the cameras. You are not going to send someone to the 32nd floor for an open door without checking first to make sure the party is not just at the door, etc....This is casino they have cameras everywhere and have stated they were there.

If they did, would he NOT have seen the barricaded doors? If the security guard looking at the cameras sees barricaded doors would he not radio for the police? Even if they do not see it the active security guard would going to that floor would. Remember we now know he was up there BEFORE the shooting started. But, he is finding the upper floor barricaded.

If you look at the timeline of shots I think he started early. He saw security coming and the first few shots you hear in the videos. Are those the ones hitting the security guard. Then, he goes full on. a few minutes into it the shots are slower, paced and sound is different. It is the long rifles he tried to destroy the fuel tanks with. One penetrated and one was stuck. Thank goodness there was no explosion. He then goes back to the crowd and then he was such a control freak he did shoot himself.

It is also @20-25 shots fired into the hallway not 200 as I am reading now. So, this tells us that the shooter had his cameras working but the police said they were not.

It just does not make sense with that we all know at this point. These just keep getting larger and larger.



No they stated that there is an alert if a vacant rooms door is opened, as in no guest is registered for it and someone's trying to get a free stay or something.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

He basically says it's a hybrid false flag. Some crisis actors, but real people too. Deaths and injuries are real and he doesn't think the government was involved in the shooting aspect of it. Thinks Paddock was going to help the CIA/FBI and was made a pasty by the other side.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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No they stated that there is an alert if a vacant rooms door is opened, as in no guest is registered for it and someone's trying to get a free stay or something.


That make sense. If t is actually what happened, I wonder if it is connected to this event. Short of breaking in, someone would need to have the proper access card. There supposedly was the "maintenance guy".



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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Sorry redundant post
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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: lightedhype
This is really interesting OP, thank you for bringing it here. It really makes no sense whatsoever imo. The whole narrative appears to be sinking or they truly are simply leaving it open to see what the public/internet in general is leaning towards as a theory so that they can later go down that route as the official story. Psyop/social manipulation at its finest. I really think they are gauging the general public and the conspiracy crowd with this event, more so than ever.

I say this because for the first time in my personal life people who never question any event as it is laid out by the MSM are actually asking questions and think something stinks this time around.

I also wanted to add this video in case not everyone has seen it.



Skip to about 11 minutes 30 second mark to see some interesting Freudian slips; in addition to the officer seeming shaky throughout the entire press conference.

My main question, why on Earth does the guy on the right clearly look like the classic CIA/FBI/etc 'handler?' I mean just watch his eye movements and expression throughout. Plus he sticks around quiet the entire time. Who really is the spook?


Here he is again...

I believe this is the first night just after the shooting
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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: TobyFlenderson

On the scanner an officer was reporting to be in the stairwell on the 32nd floor outside of room 135 15 minutes after the shooting started. The wounded security guard was still on the 32nd floor, down the hall, near an elevator hallway. Teams were assembling and making their way up. One was on floor 2, and two teams clearing floors 29 (were shots were being reported from but none found), floor 30, 31 then 32 down to the shooters room, until it was breached. There were multiple references to the wounded security guard being shot in the leg in the 45 minutes leading up to the room being breached by the first officer on floor 32



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: trollz

Ok, Late to the party here....

Went over a few pages and I still did not see the most obvious question asked / answered (maybe I missed it).

If the Security Guard was shot BEFORE the gunman started his rampage then what the hell was the Security Guard doing outside his room in the first place?

Why the hell was he there?

Second question, If this guy fired 200 rounds into the hallway of a hotel, nobody else on the floor heard it and or didn't call 911? You would think there would be some people in their rooms freaking out if they heard 200 rounds being fired on their floor?

Sorry if these answers are obvious but not finding them....

Thanks for the info if you have it.
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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:08 AM
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I'm introducing the idea that Paddock was there to distribute all those guns to other hit teams....in one capacity or another.

I started a thread in that regard, thinking it may actually evolve into the big story. Figured here was a good place to link it...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:43 AM
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Ok, just read an article on Yahoo from Newsweek, and yes i know nothing is reliable, but this caught my eye...... quote...

Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle. 

Police have said that when Campos radioed what happened, it helped them track where Paddock was holed up. McMahill didn’t elaborate on the six minutes or why police found it difficult to locate Paddock when, according to the new timeline, they had his location minutes before the assault started.

“I understand why people are frustrated with this because we are as well,” McMahill told KNPR.



Ummmm now a maintenence worker was there too??? Wtf? So now there's Campos and now a maintenence worker, and then Campos gets shot, not maintenence guy after all those supposed rounds were fired...... wow....what the heck is going on.......



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:47 AM
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Here's the link to the full article by the way....

www.yahoo.com...



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:49 AM
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Has anyone noticed how “quiet” this whole thing is? Where are the reports from people at the hotel? The non-injured at the concert telling their stories? The mass of video that must exist from before anything happened or later that night while hiding / waiting for the all-clear?

Of course, there have been a few videos and interviews but it just seems awfully ... quiet. Now, I imagine many are being quiet or not sharing video out of respect or reverence. But out of 21,000+ uninjured and the entire hotel (and the 32nd floor especially) it seems like there would just be “more.”

As I mentioned in another thread, I’m not trying to be callous. I understand why many would remain out of public eye and can appreciate that 100%. I also DO NOT think this was fake. It just seems oddly quiet considering the sheer volume of ppl there would be with personal stories.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Just trying to catch up on these threads so someone may have answered your question about the 200 rounds fired into the hallway. I traced it down to this story from CNN.
www.cnn.com...

I believe I saw a clip from a press briefing with the sheriff saying those things but I don't have a link to that clip. It might have been in Bo's "New Information..." thread or the original thread. Sorry. Reality slapped me up side the head with a flooded basement so I was quickly scanning the latest on those threads.

Perhaps when further crime scene photos are "leaked" we'll see those piles of spent bullets?



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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originally posted by: PittMike
a reply to: TobyFlenderson

On the scanner an officer was reporting to be in the stairwell on the 32nd floor outside of room 135 15 minutes after the shooting started. The wounded security guard was still on the 32nd floor, down the hall, near an elevator hallway. Teams were assembling and making their way up. One was on floor 2, and two teams clearing floors 29 (were shots were being reported from but none found), floor 30, 31 then 32 down to the shooters room, until it was breached. There were multiple references to the wounded security guard being shot in the leg in the 45 minutes leading up to the room being breached by the first officer on floor 32


Do you know where the bullet hit his leg? Upper...lower..?

I always thought that you could at least hobble, or hop, or drag yourself away, if you're shot in the leg. Particularly after 200 bullets have whizzed past you over a 20-second span of time. His adrenaline and self-preservation mode should have kicked into overdrive.

And why did the police keep talking about the wounded security guard laying on the hallway floor, yet not attempting to rescue him...for what was it...30 minutes???!!!



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 01:27 AM
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a reply to: odd1out

Las Vegas Division Special Agent in Charge "that guy"



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 02:10 AM
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a reply to: ABNARTY

Before you get too deep into this dodging bullets theory take a look at pictures of the hallway and you'll see that the guestroom doorways are inset. The inset is clear in the photo of the food cart that is widely published. It appears that a normal-sized person could avoid being shot by simply staying out of the hallway while the bullets were flying. No magic required, just enough sense to stay behind a wall.

Not trying to be snarky---I wondered the same thing when I first heard that he'd dodged 199 bullets. Then I happened on a news clip of some officials walking down a hallway in the hotel and noticed the recessed doors. The picture of the food cart confirmed that those room doors are recessed.

The "door ajar" thing---a friend in the hotel business repeats what I've seen posted on one of the threads here---that is a code of sorts for a room that should be unoccupied becoming occupied. Think about it---at any given time there are lots of empty rooms in a hotel and employees who might have raging hormones.... Was it members of the hotel staff sneaking into an un-rented room to have a quickie that triggered the door ajar alarm? Or was it an elevator door open continuously that triggered an alarm which was transmitted to security and the maintenance department, causing both the security guy and the maintenance guy to appear on that floor? Lots of possibilities....



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 02:59 AM
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One of the characteristics of a false flag is that the story chnages frequently. This is done to confuse, frustrate and kill interest in the story. It s also intended to achieve outcomes in relation to the analysis of the event.

From 911 forward this has happened.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 03:01 AM
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originally posted by: ChrisM101

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408

I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.


They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.


That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.no chunks of brain matter


Or---really, really fresh blood---not blood that has been exposed to air for nearly an hour.

It's easy to prove for yourself if you wonder how fast blood oxidizes---the next time you cut yourself and stop the bleeding with a paper towel, lay the towel aside and see how long it takes the blood to go from bright red to brown. Ten minutes? Fifteen? An hour?

The official timeline now says he shot the last shots at 10:15. No shots were heard after 10:15. So he must have offed himself at 10:15 and yet that blood, photographed more than an hour later looks really fresh doesn't it?

Sooo---when was this photo made? Who "leaked" this photo to the media? How did they get a picture of the dead guy less than 30 minutes after he'd been shot?

Or was the whole hotel room crime scene staged and photographed during a drill some weeks/months ago?


The bright red blood in the "leaked" photo was a tipoff. Blood does not remain bright red in the presence of oxygen.

I don't have any answers only a seemingly endless sting of questions I hope to have answered. I don't have any more coherent theories than many I've seen posited here. I just try to examine the possibilities from as many angles as possible. I'm no weapons or ballistics expert but I'm quite familiar with blood. I was a hunter in my teens and early twenties. We at what we killed. Five years of hospital work and years of treating small children's wounds taught me more than my organic chemistry class about blood. Forensics classes and reading the works of Dr. Bill Bass helped shape my approach as well. I can say with some degree of certainty that the picture was not taken over an hour after death if this is truly the picture of a real dead man.

Was this picture sent to the FBI by the dude/s that shot the guy to taunt them in some way? Did the photographer/killer send it to the media? Or was the "leak" in the FBI? Sooo many possibilities.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 03:19 AM
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originally posted by: Reverbs
And you say Someone wants it to look like false flag?

Why not? We see this happen in all big cases, there's always the "false flag" angle being proposed by someone, as if to hide the real reasons, whatever they may be.


What Russia or something?

Or to make it look like Russia, seeing that now it looks like they are trying to show Russia as been responsible for all the bad things that happen in the US. I suppose they will find some Facebook posts showing that Russia has been responsible for all these hurricanes.



I do wonder sometimes about conspiracy theories and who might start them..

Exactly. Sometimes it looks like it's just the usual conspiracy theorists, sometimes it looks like an organised effort.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 03:44 AM
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Ok I just read this parageaph from a CNN article that was posted earlier tonight (October 10th at 1pm est)...

"The gunman had been drilling into the adjacent wall to the doorway,according to Lombardo. His assumption was that Paddock intended to place either a camera or a rifle there, but the drilling was not completed, Lombardo said

I don't quite understand the sentence I have bolded and was hoping someone could explain it a bit better for me. "He (Stephen Paddock) was drilling into the adjacent wall to the doorway" So does this mean he was drilling into the wall so there would be a hole out into the hallway? Or are they saying he was drilling a hole into the other room that was now locked from the inside? I'm a bit confused by this. Also what would be the point to what he was doing?

To me it sounds like Paddock shooting out into the hallway at Jesus really sped up his shooting into the crowd. Sounds like if he was drilling he was still trying to get stuff setup maybe? Especially considering the police are saying that the hidden cameras that Paddock had set up, the one on the room service cart and the one at his doors peep hole weren't even turned on!?! Sounds to me like he still had quite a bit of preparations to do?? I've heard multiple reports saying the concert was on the final song? So if Jesus didnt end up on the 32nd floor its very likely that the concert would have ended before Paddock was even ready and was still getting prepared. If he took a bit longer this concert would have started clearing out and I'd image within 10-15 minutes of that final song most of the concert goers would have already cleared out or a good amount would be on their ways out and walking away from Mandalay Bay? Maybe Paddock doesn't even do the shooting then because the crowd would have thinned out too much and he wouldn't have had as many guaranteed targets to hit? I know, shoulda coulda woulda! But it's still definitely something that I think should seriously be considered!! Firing on Jesus the security guard definitely started the massacre quite a bit sooner then.it would have started if Paddock had finished all his preparations, drilling, setting up addition cameras, getting them running, checking them etc etc




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