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Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
Anyone else notice the 'smudge' on the gun. Well, that looks like a smear or blood on the cylinder. Also closer to the grip. This would be indicative of it being in his mouth when firing, right? I cannot see how, even if standing up, the gun wound up where it is behind him. There is just no way.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Head wounds are not like movies. Like the Dwyer video. There does not need to be 'brains' on the floor or wall. That was a nice sized handgun Dwyer used but when it fires it can many times not breach the top of the skull. This is why during a 'hit' many times a smaller caliber weapon will be used. It bounces around in the skull.


This is one of a few key reasons that I think the shooting wasn't coming from Paddock's room.

1) Not one video of the shooting shows any evidence of the shots coming from Paddock's room, including several where we see Mandalay Bay clearly.

2) The suicide looks staged, and not very well either. Hell, I bet you'd find the bullet embedded in the floor beneath his head.

3) There aren't nearly enough shell casings in the photos of his room. This guy is supposed to have fired hundreds upon hundreds of rounds. That's a lot of spent casings. From the photos that have leaked, it looks more like someone grabbed a few handfulls of shell casings and scattered them around the scene.




posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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We have some very good 'why' questions here.
If he shot himself in the head, why isn't there more blood there.
Why is there blood on the front of his shirt in the lower chest area?
Why is there a trail of blood drops between his right shoulder and the revolver?

Maybe he wasn't shot in the head.
If he was shot in the chest, that would explain the blood on his chest. It would also explain why there is less blood than expected on the floor around his head, due to large quantities of blood remaining in his lungs and pleural cavity. The blood above his head would have come out of his mouth and nose from his lungs.
He may not have been shot with the revolver, for all we know. He may have had it in his hand when he was dying and got blood on it from a chest wound and swung his arm up in death throes and the revolver went over his head.

Not enough info can be gleaned from the few leaked photos, and I think the person that leaked them knows that.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Yes, the gun's position is odd.

A clue may be the faint trail of blood that goes from the gun's butt to the lighter area of the pool of blood.

Is it not common practice for the first officer on the scene to kick away any weapon close to the suspect? Obviously the guy was a corpse, but still, distancing a weapon is an automatic safety precaution in whatever scenario.

Having said that, even if the revolver had been closer to the top of his head, it's still an awkward placing. It would have made better sense if his right arm had been bent up towards the pool of blood (if he was right handed) and not alongside his body.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: ChrisM101

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408

I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.


They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.


That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter


You know, I doubt anything at this point. The blood does look like gel and is so thick it sits on top of the carpet and doesn't soak into it. The blood on his face looks real though.

ETA: *don't... I DON'T doubt
edit on 10-10-2017 by LSU0408 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Plus the 200 he fired out the doorway.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: Encia22
a reply to: matafuchs

Yes, the gun's position is odd.

A clue may be the faint trail of blood that goes from the gun's butt to the lighter area of the pool of blood.

Is it not common practice for the first officer on the scene to kick away any weapon close to the suspect? Obviously the guy was a corpse, but still, distancing a weapon is an automatic safety precaution in whatever scenario.

Having said that, even if the revolver had been closer to the top of his head, it's still an awkward placing. It would have made better sense if his right arm had been bent up towards the pool of blood (if he was right handed) and not alongside his body.


I heard he was left handed which makes that even more of a mystery. The bullet hole looks like it's in the corner of his right eye.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: Encia22
a reply to: matafuchs

Yes, the gun's position is odd.

A clue may be the faint trail of blood that goes from the gun's butt to the lighter area of the pool of blood.

Is it not common practice for the first officer on the scene to kick away any weapon close to the suspect? Obviously the guy was a corpse, but still, distancing a weapon is an automatic safety precaution in whatever scenario.

Having said that, even if the revolver had been closer to the top of his head, it's still an awkward placing. It would have made better sense if his right arm had been bent up towards the pool of blood (if he was right handed) and not alongside his body.



FWIW, this is what the first responders that breached the room said on 60 Minutes:


Matthew Donaldson: My initial scan, coming in the room with my rifle is just seein' I'm seeing one male down, bleeding from the face. He was not a threat. Kept going, kept going, kept going.

Bill Whitaker: Said one male down. That was the shooter?

Matthew Donaldson: Yes.

Bill Whitaker: Stephen Paddock?

Bill Whitaker: What were his wounds?

Dave Newton: I didn't see any apparent wounds to his head. But I did see a lotta blood that had come outta his mouth.

Joshua Bitsko: There was-- a bloody revolver I think-- nearby. Nearby him that was on the ground consistent with him shootin' himself.



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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: trollz

If accurate, in all fairness, until Paddock started shooting into the crowd, what the security guard and the cops thought they had there was a guy with a gun in a room. Cordon off the area around the room and find out what's up. It was likely impossible to predict at that time what was going to follow.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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Two points.

The debate about the bullet holes in the door. If anyone here has done any kind of live room clearing or fibua, ask yourself what way those rounds were going. I highly doubt they were going into the room.

Second point. If there was a period of time between the guard being hit and the crowd being fired at, could that explain the woman in the crowd who appeared to know what was about to happen?



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Except he reportedly fired 200 shots through the door at the security guard.

ETA: I would assume that would be major.
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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:35 PM
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So I was just listening to a video that edited all the police scanner footage together with video and gmaps shots of locations called out. All of a sudden it dawned on me. If the guard, who was in an unsecured crime scene that the police just ignored all SOP and let go up to check a door alarm, was shot before paddock opened up on the crowd and this is how officers knew where the shooter was...which is what the LVMPD says. Why isn't that ever stated over the radio in any of the chatter I've heard. I mean all I hear is them sounding confused and desperately trying to pin point where the shooter or shooters are...yet there is no traffic from any of those officers who were supposedly searching the 31st floor...like what did they not have radios or is someone lying. They've told us so much easily noticeable BS involving all of this I can't even chalk it up to confusion...its blaten lies at this point...there is no way they're that incompetent!



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus



If accurate, in all fairness, until Paddock started shooting into the crowd, what the security guard and the cops thought they had there was a guy with a gun in a room.

A gun that fired 200 rounds through the door fast enough that it would appear to have been an automatic weapon.

Nothing to see here folks, we will just hang out for the six minutes that he takes to decide to start spraying the crowd at a concert.... and then take a really long time to respond to that..... and not seem to have a clue as to where the gunfire was coming from.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: ZombieWoof






Why is there blood on the trigger, trigger guard and cylinder of the revolver, yet only a drop or 2 on the frame?
Why is there older, soaked in blood in the carpet with fresh blood on top?
Why is there smeared blood on his right cheek?
Why is there a puddle sitting on TOP of a puddle of blood?
Finally, why is the revolver 4 feet above his head while both his arms are at his side?
How many times has his body been moved?
Two? Three times?
(pistol looks like a Taurus Judge 5 shot .410 shotgun/.45 long colt)
I think I see two different lengths of brass on the floor as well.


Why is there a depression in his chest area?

Maybe he was shot in the chest, not the head. Blood from the mouth/nose wouldn't be unusual. Maybe someone put a boot to his chest with enough force to push out more blood?

The shell casings on top of the blood seem problematic.

Gruesome nonetheless.


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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: ChrisM101

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408

I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.


They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.


That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter


You know, I doubt anything at this point. The blood does look like gel and is so thick it sits on top of the carpet and doesn't soak into it. The blood on his face looks real though.

ETA: *don't... I DON'T doubt

Here's a thought: If Paddock had been dead for a while before the gun was put in his mouth and the trigger pulled, might that explain the thick syrup-like consistency of the blood in the photo?



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: ChrisM101

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408

I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.


They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.


That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter


You know, I doubt anything at this point. The blood does look like gel and is so thick it sits on top of the carpet and doesn't soak into it. The blood on his face looks real though.

ETA: *don't... I DON'T doubt

Here's a thought: If Paddock had been dead for a while before the gun was put in his mouth and the trigger pulled, might that explain the thick syrup-like consistency of the blood in the photo?


Large head wounds and heavy bleeding from them often looks like that.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: sg1642

Second point. If there was a period of time between the guard being hit and the crowd being fired at, could that explain the woman in the crowd who appeared to know what was about to happen?

The guard was shot 6 minutes before the crowd was fired upon.
The woman warning people in the crowd came 45 minutes before the shooting started at the crowd.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: ChrisM101

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408

I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.


They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.


That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter


You know, I doubt anything at this point. The blood does look like gel and is so thick it sits on top of the carpet and doesn't soak into it. The blood on his face looks real though.

ETA: *don't... I DON'T doubt

Here's a thought: If Paddock had been dead for a while before the gun was put in his mouth and the trigger pulled, might that explain the thick syrup-like consistency of the blood in the photo?


It's possible. I think he was either dead or almost dead, from a previous shot, when that final bullet entered. I don't think it was in his mouth though, I think it was in the corner of his right eye.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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Thats a good point. He wouldn't be the first person to shoot himself in the chest area. That also means that he might not drop right away, he might stager around for a bit then finally drop. And then once on the ground he could be coughing up blood from the internal bleeding.

Also i don;t think there has been any official statement that he did shoot himself in the head


originally posted by: butcherguy
We have some very good 'why' questions here.
If he shot himself in the head, why isn't there more blood there.
Why is there blood on the front of his shirt in the lower chest area?
Why is there a trail of blood drops between his right shoulder and the revolver?

Maybe he wasn't shot in the head.
If he was shot in the chest, that would explain the blood on his chest. It would also explain why there is less blood than expected on the floor around his head, due to large quantities of blood remaining in his lungs and pleural cavity. The blood above his head would have come out of his mouth and nose from his lungs.
He may not have been shot with the revolver, for all we know. He may have had it in his hand when he was dying and got blood on it from a chest wound and swung his arm up in death throes and the revolver went over his head.

Not enough info can be gleaned from the few leaked photos, and I think the person that leaked them knows that.

edit on 10-10-2017 by worsaw because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Good point... Someone with more patience than me should put together a timeline of what we were told at first and add it in to what we know now. Talking about it so much gets you focused on the here and now and you forget about original reports. I do anyways.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: worsaw



He wouldn't be the first person to shoot himself in the chest area.

IF he shot himself anyway.
We don't know, and I am not ready to believe any of what I am hearing from the officials or the MSM.




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