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Brexit - ‘No deal’ planning is well under way, says Minister

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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Didnt she just allow working class to buy their homes so they could usher in the whole private lets and then not need to put government spending into housing?

My mum hated thatcher but said that , allowing council homes to be bought was the best thing she ever did.

What I have found from the whole thatcher era is that Scotland appears to have been done harder up the arse than anywhere else in the UK , it seems that Scotland was the testing ground for any Tory policy they wanted to test.

I've never heard anyone say anything decent about her in Scotland , apart from my maw with the council housing sale
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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

I was there also and remember that she supported the retention of capital punishment and that she destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry with her policies that led to mass unemployment.

I remember that she presided over interest rates of 15% and precipitated a social housing crisis still being felt today. Her gooberment also sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation not to mention the Poll tax debacle where she essentially used Scotland as her personal Petri Dish.

None of the above is mythological, she developed something all right, that being hatred.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Just to point out i never brought the woman up in this thread i simply outlined what she was responsible for.

If i'm honest my own parents say the same things about Thatcher, the one good thing she done was to allow people to purchase their council homes.

Thing with that thought is that is that the shortage of affordable accommodation and council or housing association properties for people who cannot afford to buy there own home is this day of age is linked to people purchasing there own homes back in the 80s.

Still was a good thing all the same for a significant percentage of our people.

For many, people through, the damage that woman and her minions perpetrated, runs so deep that the wounds will never heal.
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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: eletheia

Didnt she just allow working class to buy their homes so they could usher in the whole private lets and then not need to put government spending into housing?

My mum hated thatcher but said that , allowing council homes to be bought was the best thing she ever did.

What I have found from the whole thatcher era is that Scotland appears to have been done harder up the arse than anywhere else in the UK , it seems that Scotland was the testing ground for any Tory policy they wanted to test.

I've never heard anyone say anything decent about her in Scotland , apart from my maw with the council housing sale

Allowing the serfs to buy their council houses was a master stoke/ploy to destroy the unions and have the working class in servitude to the banks and money lenders, nothing more nothing less. A carrot that the underclass couldn't resist. Those who fell for it were now in serious debt for the first time in their lives and could no longer afford to strike.
The after effects are being felt today by their grandchildren who cant get a council house because 1, there are none and 2, They dont make enough to get on the housing ladder for private housing.

But dont worry, when your parents die you will inherit the property?..well only if the government hasn't taken the house and sold it to cover the cost of you parents 24 hour nursing home care.

Yeah, Thatcher was a genius, an evil one.
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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: TJames

Just from some of the previous comments , I was just asking a question it wasnt the shoot for anal doom porn daughters vol8
Lol, star for making me chuckle.


As for Thatcher she's dead so lets move on shall we otherwise we shall quickly see all the Scots contingent turn vile
at mention of her name.
This thread will quickly descend into a thatcher burning thread
Lol again, but I haven't said anything about that old witch, perhaps you were thinking of another member.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: eletheia
Didnt she just allow working class to buy their homes so they could usher in the whole private lets and then not need to put government spending into housing?


Sorry bad choice of words on my part I should have said enabled




My mum hated thatcher but said that , allowing council homes to be bought was the best thing she ever did.


Well there you go ..... which other PM enabled those 'ordinary people' who wanted

to get ahead to buy there own homes and have future collateral? And didn't those

that bought, take pride in, and look after and improve their surroundings?

You could go through an estate and see straight away who was buying and who were

not.... No old mattresses or sofas in their gardens.





What I have found from the whole thatcher era is that Scotland appears to have been done harder up the arse than anywhere else in the UK , it seems that Scotland was the testing ground for any Tory policy they wanted to test.

I've never heard anyone say anything decent about her in Scotland , apart from my maw with the council housing sale



I think its a cultural thing with the Scots, hating ..... The father of one of my

grandchildren was a Scot, and he never missed an opportunity of calling the

English, and the government, but he had lived in England from the age of 16,

drew benefits and worked for cash in hand.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: fusiondoe
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Yay... No more EU signs on housing estates

We got by without subsidies many years ago, we will again


The EU signs on housing estates are there if the EU helped to pay for them.

If you think the UK government will pay for social housing, check out the council house building stats for the last thirty years.

As for the subsidies, yes, we got by. Back in the days when we were desperate to join the EEC and were known as "the sick man of Europe".



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: GeneralMayhem
LOL

its easier now to see who's the biggest europhiles ..
from the rising tones of desperation , unfounded accusations , etc .

What has anyone got to say about EU policy politics ? Who or what is the entity we are saying 'no deal' to ?

Once gain , the EU policy makers are holding all kinds of private and public business and citizens across Europe including bmw in uncertainty, as way of making them ransom chips so it can try to force the UK govt to accept its own terms as the decider of the economic conditions which the UK could enjoy or suffer . They're holding you I everybody British and all our European friends, and their friends, and families, to ransom against the Uk govt . By driving them into uncertainty. They want 100billion euro 'leaving bill' as a ransom as well
The four freedoms were immediately after the vote being converted to four threats , by .. guess who .
And then , with that going on you've got people calling out voters as ignorant bigots . Like I said , its easy to see


Not quite sure where the desperation comes in, unless it's from David Davis, but for some reason a lot of leave voters are still very angry.

The EU wanted to get a guarantee of citizen's rights before the very first meeting.

The UK government said no.

The EU said the UK had 100 billion euros of outstanding commitments.

Anyone who has ever negotiated anything more than a pint on a Saturday night knows that;s a starting position.

Maybe the reason they are permanently angry is because they are confused by the barrage of lies from the UK tabloids.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: Echo007
If i was part of the UK government, i would say anyone that moved to the UK since brexit law passed. Those people have to leave the country once it's finalized. The UK should of never gave up control of it's border to allow uncheck migration. That is suicide for a nation.

I still can't believe the UK government refuses to do anything about the no go zones for non-muslims. What kind of country allows a religious extremist group to setup areas like that. If you attack people that's not part of your religion, that makes you an extremist.


If you were part of the UK government, you'd know that no-go zones are a myth started by shonky US right wing websites.

They don't exist.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: paraphi
I was there also and remember that she supported the retention of capital punishment and that she destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry with her policies that led to mass unemployment.


She was not the only one, there are still people who believe in capital punishment

and many who dont believe the law is tough enough on many serial offenders!



I remember that she presided over interest rates of 15% and precipitated a social housing crisis still being felt today.



That old chestnut resurrected AGAIN!!

No one was effected for more than two monthly mortgage payments by that

rate. I know that because I already had a mortgage, and my daughter was

panicing as she was due to sign up on a mortgage the week that that rate

was announced.




Her gooberment also sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation




Think you need to read up on Tony Blair's government and PFI


PFI has been a lousy deal. As estimated a few years ago, the UK state stands to pay £304bn to acquire assets with a 2012 capital value of £56bn – the kind of interest rate usually meted out to poor families by Wonga and Brighthouse.
Labour pledge to bring PFI contracts in-house alarms business leaders
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The anti-PFI animus at Labour’s conference is understandable and of course shadow chancellor John McDonnell reaps applause by attacking his party’s past. In the noughties Labour gave PFI a huge boost: you will build nothing unless through PFI, Alan Milburn once instructed the NHS on Tony Blair’s behalf; Gordon Brown literally buried the scandalous truth of London tube financing in a hole in the ground.

Then, Labour said it could not raise investment funds by borrowing. But that was and remains a political not a fiscal calculation. The Office for Budget Responsibility says national debt would now be 2% of GDP higher if public rather than private finance had been used in PFI deals;in the light of the effects of the financial crash on public debt, that’s puny. And it’s also true, as the Commons Treasury select committee has said, that borrowing under PFI has typically cost twice the rate at which the state could have borrowed - a difference that has grown during the era of low interest rates since 2008.


www.theguardian.com...




Not to mention the Poll tax debacle where she essentially used Scotland as her personal Petri Dish.
None of the above is mythological, she developed something all right, that being hatred.



The Poll tax is not something anyone likes, but it is a fairer system. Prior

to that only house holders paid what was then termed 'rates' and a house

hold paid a fixed rate so a house with one person in paid the same as a house

hold of 10 people.

I suppose you would call that fair



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: eletheia
Didnt she just allow working class to buy their homes so they could usher in the whole private lets and then not need to put government spending into housing?


Sorry bad choice of words on my part I should have said enabled




My mum hated thatcher but said that , allowing council homes to be bought was the best thing she ever did.


Well there you go ..... which other PM enabled those 'ordinary people' who wanted

to get ahead to buy there own homes and have future collateral? And didn't those

that bought, take pride in, and look after and improve their surroundings?

You could go through an estate and see straight away who was buying and who were

not.... No old mattresses or sofas in their gardens.





What I have found from the whole thatcher era is that Scotland appears to have been done harder up the arse than anywhere else in the UK , it seems that Scotland was the testing ground for any Tory policy they wanted to test.

I've never heard anyone say anything decent about her in Scotland , apart from my maw with the council housing sale



I think its a cultural thing with the Scots, hating ..... The father of one of my

grandchildren was a Scot, and he never missed an opportunity of calling the

English, and the government, but he had lived in England from the age of 16,

drew benefits and worked for cash in hand.

Yeah, that's what us Scots do best, We Infiltrate, Impregnate, work on the grip and appear in london based soap's playing ourselves, Drunken wife beating sociopaths.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

Well obviously our opinion on the woman in question varies, such is life.

But anyway "Ding dong the witch is dead, ding dong the wicked witch is dead".


What i would call fair does not exactly tally with most things these days, political or socioeconomic wise.

Where Thatcher is concerned the old chestnuts are still relevant considering the damage done and still being done today because of her and the callous bastards just like her.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: fusiondoe

Brexit is one big distraction. Rolled out as headlines on the MSM when something needs smothered.

Like Monday night's BBC headline 'news' that Theresa May is considering a no deal. This isn't news. She stated several times during the election campaign that she would consider it and has also been discussed in parliament before.

Monday's main headline should have been about Cyril Smith and the child abuse investigation/establishment cover up.

No deal means they can break away from the ECHR and create their own very British Bill of Rights (note the lack of the word human=lack of humanity). For a government recently found guilty of human rights violations against the disadvantaged in society , this should worry many. It could also erode human rights across Europe.

I believe it's always been their plan.

Let's hope Corbyn gets in power soon and stops this country from sleep walking into a dictatorship.

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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Yeah, that's what us Scots do best, We Infiltrate, Impregnate, work on the grip and appear in london based soap's playing ourselves, Drunken wife beating sociopaths.




Did I say that


Well no..... You said it? So

If the cap fits ....own it!



posted on Oct, 12 2017 @ 06:01 AM
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Most of the kids didn't even like the milk!!!


I did!!!



.... and by the time it was withdrawn rationing and food was no longer in short supply,


Unless of course you were from a poor family in some run down urban area.



I live in the North East....


So do I.



and have a few inlaws who were miners, and they say that they have never been so well off because of the pay outs and pensions


I know lots of ex-miners - the vast majority were consigned to the scrapheap and became entwined in the benefit system Thatcher and her acolytes so vehemently despise.



The *owt for nout* brigade....


I thought we were talking about Miners and not politicians, civil servants and chief executives etc who have screwed this country over for donkey's years.
Let's blame the Unions for all the country's ailments - the very organisations that gained workers rights - classic deflection tactics and people are still falling for it today.



supporting the union fat cats who even today are milking it on union expenses and high grade free/cheap living accomodation.


Yet you glorify - some almost deify - a woman who did everything within her power to support the excesses of the privileged few.
A woman who destroyed whole communities just to show she had bigger balls than any man.
A woman who used the police force as her own personal enforcers and actively promoted the use of agent provocateurs to instigate violence.
A woman who not only turned a blind eye to the activities of paedophiles in her own inner circle but actually promoted those self same individuals.

I could go on for ages.



She too was the person who allowed the 'ordinary working class person' who had any ambition at all to own their own homes for the very first time and move up the ladder to a more prosperous life style.


Do you honestly believe that?

Yes, she allowed council tenants to buy council property....then prohibited the building of any more new council homes forcing families into the private renting sector or obtain mortgages they could barely afford thus causing soaring house prices and inflated rental fees.....the cost of which we are still paying today.

Thatcher was an evil, evil woman who only did anything for her own personal glorification and / or the furtherment of the elite who control this country.



She was the only politician to ever stand up to the EU.


Farage?
Benn?

Along with our current Regent and every PM form Heath onwards she is complicit in the illegal and treasonous transfer of sovereignty to a foreign body.






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posted on Oct, 12 2017 @ 06:13 AM
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Perhaps if the miners and all them folks up north spent less time going on strike and being lazy then she wouldn’t have had to be so hard.


Those lazy bastards were going on strike because they wanted to save their jobs and not become entangled in the benefits system so many of them now are.
Can't be #ing lazy if they wanted to work now could they?

Any idiot can see that!

Crazy thing is, Scargill et al were right - we haven't got a coal industry anymore - we haven't got much industry at all really.
Whole communities decimated, thousands thrown on the scrap heap.....yet there's absolutely loads and loads of coal still there.



You could buy coal cheaper then anywhere else in the world then you could in the UK. Why should we have subsidised every lazy b@!/&:rd


Thatcher despised the communist sytem.
Thatcher said she was no longer willing to subsidise the UK's coal industry.
She to destroy the UK's coal industry and everything that went with it she imported coal from East Germany and Poland, both communist states and whose coal industries were 100% subsidised by their respective communist regimes.
Now if that isn't hypocrisy of the highest order I don't know what is.



People speak about Thatcher like she was a tyrant, the only people who think that were the bone idle/lazy and the give me’s/labour supporters/unions.


So all Labour supporters, union people, anti-Thatcherites are bone idle and lazy?

Unfortunately T&C's prevent me from really speaking my mind at present.....but then again, maybe you deliberately said that to try and provoke some sort of reaction from people.

Anyway, what has any of this got to do with Brexit? (Something I think Thatcher opposed).



posted on Oct, 12 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: fusiondoe

If anyone has a spare 45 mins this video pretty much outlines the hardships and horrendous treatment those honest intelligent working-class Men and Women experienced at the hands of Thatcher and the Tory government of the time.

Some of it's heartrending really.

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posted on Oct, 12 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake
The Miners Strike was a complex affair involving three sides.

1. The Government who was closing uneconomic pits. Uneconomic pits were supported by the tax payers.
2. The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) who were a powerful union that had been party to destroying the UK economy and bringing down the Heath government a decade earlier through the Three Day Week.
3. The miners who broke away from the NUM because they disagreed with the NUM and formed the Union of Democratic Mineworkers.

The miners did not have public support.

Very sad that many miners were aggressive and violent to those miners who did not strike. Very sad that the police were often a bit violent too, but then the miners were violent back. A bonus of the Miner's Strike was that the NUM was beaten and their ability to damage industry was curtained.

The public supported change to union laws and bad practices such as intimidation and flying pickets came to an end. Frankly the public were sick of the militant unions that presided over wilful harm of industry.

The strike also accelerated the pit closure and the short-term impact on communities was devastating. My wife lived in a mining community and was a witness to the impact.

Thatcher was a product of her time. She polarises opinion even today. People on the left still dislike her, - even those who were born decades after her time - but imagine the UK stuck in the 1970s ,and you get a world that Thatcher challenged and changed.



posted on Oct, 12 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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Out of those 3 sides who was it that got bent over a barrel and roasted the most?

That would be the miners, their families, and communities imho. Thatcher smashed those poor people against a wall and left them on the floor with little or no prospect as to finding any other form of employment essentially consigning a significant percentage of the working class to social and financial oblivion.

I agree with you that the miners did not have the complete support of the public at the time but keep in mind that Thatcher and her government also had the media in their pocket.

Everyone is a product of there time, kind of hard to be anything else, but like Marcus Aurelius allured to around 2000 years ago "What we do in life echoes in eternity". That standing i think we all know how Thatcher will be remembered by history.



posted on Oct, 12 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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Wow, talk about thread drift


The Miner strike still wouldn't be fully explored f it had its own thread.

For those casting aspersions at the "lazy, greedy "miners etc. I would just say that being on strike is horrible, I've been on strike back in 94 and it cost me a bomb, I had just started on the railway and was getting hassled by management over my part in it. It certainly wasn't something I wanted to ever do again (despite voting for strike action in subsequent ballots when I felt it was needed) Striking is a sacrifice that you sometimes have to do and our strike was a series of 1 and 2 day actions. God only knows what it was like for the miners being on strike constantly.
There were only 3 bright points in that time, the camaraderie of the union members, winning in the end and, best of all from my point of view, was a cheque from ASLEF (the train driver's union), for a couple of hundred that went a long way to make up for what we had lost but, more pertinently was the result of a collection among it's members showing their support for us in the RMT (Signalmen and guards union). That moment when I saw that cheque and the accompanying letter, were, for me the ultimate expression of the trade union movement and what it means to be in one.



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