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Brexit - ‘No deal’ planning is well under way, says Minister

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posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Yeh I know 3 farmers near my parents place in the central belt and they just rent their land
Most of the landowners arent even farmers, they were lands just bought up from under them.

So basically if we leave the EU hard, then the UK agriculture industry is dead ?




posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
So basically if we leave the EU hard, then the UK agriculture industry is dead ?


No its not. Many farmers are tenant farmers. They will persist after Brexit.

Scrapping the CAP just enables UK farming to develop to suit UK needs. Under CAP we have seen the industrialisation of agriculture with subsidies, and a concurrent destruction of the natural environment. We've seen subsidies to grub up hedges, subsidies to set aside land, then plough it, subsidies to plough ancient meadows, subsidies to drain marshlands. All for what? Ah, yes the need to balance butter production, or barley, or maize and satiate the demands of French farmers or an uncompetitive market.

The CAP is an affront. The sooner it goes the better for British farmers. UK farming will become more relevant to the UK.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
So basically if we leave the EU hard, then the UK agriculture industry is dead ?

Why do you think that? The subsidies currently paid to farmers is just UK money coming back via a 3rd party, the EU.

Whatever happens, if any UK party stands on a platform of devastating our agricultural industry then only muppets would vote them in.
The doom porn asserted as fact not opinion is strong in this thread lol



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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From what I read the CAP (Common Agricultural Policy) is yet another EU farce anyway.
Firstly, as TJames points out, it is our own money!
Secondly, most of the money goes to big farmers/corporations due to the fact it is paid per hectar of land, hence why most big farmers want to stay in the EU and most small/medium farmers want to leave. Very similar to most other businesses/sectors too.

On topic, I'm glad the government are now finally planning for a no deal scenario, they should have done that from the start. Who goes into a negotiation with no prospects of walking away? that is just foolish.

It is looking more and more likely we will have a no deal due to the EU trying to be as awkward as possible.
Even Denmark's Finance Minister has criticized the EU saying they are 'playing a game'...
www.telegraph.co.uk...

The EU will do anything to keep their political project alive, even if their own citizens suffer.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 01:24 PM
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Jesus! Again with the silly lies and statements. Let me put it in capitals to get through to you.
The UK has NEVER EVER LOST CONTROL OF ITS BORDERS (if you've ever been abroad to any EU country when you came back you had to show your passport to get back into your own country) so the downright blackfaced lie of getting our borders back is criminal, we have never lost them in the first place. The reason you fail to grasp is that the BRITISH GOVERNMENT allowed it to happen. It had literally nothing to do with the EU.
As for China, Japan etc. coming to the UK with factories and employment they came for one thing only and that was because the UK WAS THE STEPPING STONE TO GET INTO EUROPE to bypass French and German strict import penalties. Now we've just pulled the stepping stone from out from under their feet what do YOU think there are going to do?
As for any deals with the US (Oh, they're our closest allies BS) go and tell that to the workers at Bombadier.
edit on 10-10-2017 by crayzeed because: extra.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

The entire EU immigration thing was always BS, more immigrants come to the UK from outside the EU.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: fusiondoe
I have to admit

Actually quite impressed at how civilised this thread has been, the leavers and remainers have posted strong opinions here and so far it’s all been fairly calm.

This is what ATS is all about (well, when we are discussing politics and not aliens of course)

I may make threads like this more often.

Faith in ATS restored

Speak for yourself, in this thread alone I've smashed two mice, punched my keyboard several times, threw a banana at the screen and nutted the cat.


Thank you for making me spit my tea all over my brand new laptop from laughing lol. It’s ok I forgive you!



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Quite correct. Now tell everybody on here, in capital letters, because they still don't get it. They still bleat on about EU nationals coming and taking over "our" jobs, which were inconsequential compared to non- EU migrants coming and claiming off the system. And again letting them in was a BRITISH GOVERNMENT decision, not the EU.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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LOL

its easier now to see who's the biggest europhiles ..
from the rising tones of desperation , unfounded accusations , etc .

What has anyone got to say about EU policy politics ? Who or what is the entity we are saying 'no deal' to ?

Once gain , the EU policy makers are holding all kinds of private and public business and citizens across Europe including bmw in uncertainty, as way of making them ransom chips so it can try to force the UK govt to accept its own terms as the decider of the economic conditions which the UK could enjoy or suffer . They're holding you I everybody British and all our European friends, and their friends, and families, to ransom against the Uk govt . By driving them into uncertainty. They want 100billion euro 'leaving bill' as a ransom as well
The four freedoms were immediately after the vote being converted to four threats , by .. guess who .
And then , with that going on you've got people calling out voters as ignorant bigots . Like I said , its easy to see



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake


not to mention a few million school weans that got their milk taxed.



OMG If I hear that one more time I will scream .....

The half pint was brought in at the time of rationing due to the war, It was

brought in for extra calcium to suplement rationing along with orange juice and

cod liver oil which was free and available from baby clinics.


Most of the kids didn't even like the milk!!! and by the time it was withdrawn

rationing and food was no longer in short supply, so supplementation was no

longer necessary ..... And in todays time children are 'over' rather than under

nourished.


So find something more relevant to rant about.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

True but there is another side to it, you have to look at from the point of view of the EU.

If the UK makes a clean break, gets a good enough deal that it can then thrive economically with out the constraints of EU membership then other states with a lot of Euro-skeptics are then also going to want to leave the union, before you know it states start dropping off and the union crumbles. So sure they might lose £200bn worth of trade just now but they could stand to lose their entire union potentially if other states see leaving the EU as a viable option.

So for the EU if the UK is going to leave the best thing they can do is make it hurt so that none of the other member states will ever think that leaving the EU is a good idea. They will want to be able to turn round to the next state that starts talking about leaving the EU and say "well ok but look what happened to the UK...."



I for one would not like to be a member of any club/union that is so bad that

it has to threaten, blackmail and attempt to make a victim of any member

who just wants to leave, so as to terrify the other members in to remaining!!




Now sure you can complain about how wrong that is of the EU but they have to serve in their best interests just like we in the UK have to act in our best interests.


So let us serve our interests..... but the EU is so scared we WILL succeed and

other countries will want OUT too.



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

Maybe you had to be there to understand that the nasty Prime Minister stole our weans milk?

As to said milk yes it was rather bogging and for some reason always left next to radiators that were on full pelt but that does not change the fact that for some children it was the only milk that they got back then.

Thatcher was a tyrannical Tory cow of the first order as most people with half a brain can appreciate in this day of age, aside from the odd die-hard Tory that is.

edit on 10-10-2017 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

Maybe you had to be there to understand that the nasty Prime Minister stole our weans milk?

As to said milk yes it was rather bogging and for some reason always left next to radiators that were on full pelt but that does not change the fact that for some children it was the only milk that they got back then.

Thatcher was a tyrannical Tory cow of the first order as most people with half a brain can appreciate in this day of age, aside from the odd die-hard Tory that is.


Going to cause controversy with this comment I know but... It really drives me nuts when I see these types of comments.

Perhaps if the miners and all them folks up north spent less time going on strike and being lazy then she wouldn’t have had to be so hard.

You could buy coal cheaper then anywhere else in the world then you could in the UK. Why should we have subsidised every lazy b@!/&:rd

People speak about Thatcher like she was a tyrant, the only people who think that were the bone idle/lazy and the give me’s/labour supporters/unions. The woman just had balls and people didn’t like it.

Just my opinion, feel free to attack me now



posted on Oct, 10 2017 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: fusiondoe

Why would i attack someone that's obviously just looking to envoke controversy by way of you blatantly disrespectful comments about our miners and steelworkers, what would be the point?


I would say though that people died and were seriously injured because of that woman and near enough starved to death, not to mention lost their homes and all sorts of other dilemmas. At least try and have a heart or attempt to understand what these poor people went through because of Thatcher and her government.

Thatcher and her Tory minions tried to brand these people and the there leaders enemies of democracy.


Workers have the right to strike and take part in industrial action, and that's not just my opinion, that's the law of the land.

As to your opinion, for the time being, it's a free country, think and say as you wish whilst you still can, it might not always be that way.
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posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
Thatcher was a tyrannical Tory cow of the first order as most people with half a brain can appreciate in this day of age, aside from the odd die-hard Tory that is.


Well, I was there. Thatcher was elected and not a tyrant. She broke the cycle of ideologically driven industrial self-destruction where a small number of powerful trade unions held the country to ransom . Like her or not, she's developed quite a myth about her by people who want someone to blame for whatever.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: fusiondoe

Britain was booming under Thatcher who really sorted things out. All those new Japanese manufacturing plants that came here because they wanted into Europe and we were seen as a great place to make things plus the Japanese always have a love of their fellow island of the continent mentality. MGiie sorted out all the corrupt leftie fun down industries ghat were losing money and past their sell by date. Great days those Thatcher years. What a mess we are in now. If only Maggie was around today shed keep us in the free trade zone. Now we face a EU that is going to make us pay dearly for the insanity of those that voted us out of the greatest trading bloc on planet Earth. Madness total madness



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: fusiondoe

Going to cause controversy with this comment I know but... It really drives me nuts when I see these types of comments.
Perhaps if the miners and all them folks up north spent less time going on strike and being lazy then she wouldn’t have had to be so hard.

You could buy coal cheaper then anywhere else in the world then you could in the UK. Why should we have subsidised every lazy b@!/&:rd



I live in the North East and have a few inlaws who were miners, and they say

that they have never been so well off because of the pay outs and pensions

etc.... straight out of the horses mouth? who am I to argue?




People speak about Thatcher like she was a tyrant, the only people who think that were the bone idle/lazy and the give me’s/labour supporters/unions.



The *owt for nout* brigade.... supporting the union fat cats who even today

are milking it on union expenses and high grade free/cheap living accomodation.




The woman just had balls and people didn’t like it.




She was the only politician to ever stand up to the EU.

She too was the person who allowed the 'ordinary working class person' who had

any ambition at all to own their own homes for the very first time and move up the

ladder to a more prosperous life style.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 01:51 AM
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I have so far been massively unimpressed by the UK Government in the negotiations. May's doomed after screwing up the election so badly, and her cabinet colleagues are all eyeing her position and trying to work out who's going to knife her in the back first. As a result they are more thinking about their standing in the Tory Party first and the country second. A distant second. These are not patriots, these are opportunistic scum. And if a hard Brexit (which makes no economic sense whatsoever) plays well with the Tory voters, then, well...
I am genuinely despairing for my country right now.
edit on 11-10-2017 by AngryCymraeg because: typo



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 02:22 AM
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originally posted by: fusiondoe

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

Maybe you had to be there to understand that the nasty Prime Minister stole our weans milk?

As to said milk yes it was rather bogging and for some reason always left next to radiators that were on full pelt but that does not change the fact that for some children it was the only milk that they got back then.

Thatcher was a tyrannical Tory cow of the first order as most people with half a brain can appreciate in this day of age, aside from the odd die-hard Tory that is.


Going to cause controversy with this comment I know but... It really drives me nuts when I see these types of comments.

Perhaps if the miners and all them folks up north spent less time going on strike and being lazy then she wouldn’t have had to be so hard.

You could buy coal cheaper then anywhere else in the world then you could in the UK. Why should we have subsidised every lazy b@!/&:rd

People speak about Thatcher like she was a tyrant, the only people who think that were the bone idle/lazy and the give me’s/labour supporters/unions. The woman just had balls and people didn’t like it.

Just my opinion, feel free to attack me now

Can i ask you what it is you do, have done for a living..? Mining is one of the most dangerous and back breaking jobs ever. To say miners were/are lazy is a absolute disgrace. They went on strike to protect the only job they were trained from an early age to do, And whilst they were on the picket lines thatcher not only sent in the Police to crack skulls like a bunch of fascist thugs but she also secretly had the Army making up the numbers.



posted on Oct, 11 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: TJames

Just from some of the previous comments , I was just asking a question it wasnt the shoot for anal doom porn daughters vol8


As for Thatcher she's dead so lets move on shall we otherwise we shall quickly see all the Scots contingent turn vile
at mention of her name.
This thread will quickly descend into a thatcher burning thread


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