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Brexit - ‘No deal’ planning is well under way, says Minister

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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a reply to: TJames

No mate i'm moaning about not being paid in line with inflation

the government has a responsibility to pay us a living wage in order to keep its employees it needs to pay them a living wage.
Yet can somehow pay CEO's bonus pay each year

I could go an get a job elsewhere but I have job security here , I have a pension , I have friends
why would I leave. However it is criminal to not pay your employees what everyone else in the private sector is getting or at least keep it competitive. I am happy at my work and the job I do , Im just not happy about being pay frozen for 8 years.

I dont depend on the state for anything either. I never use the NHS, have never signed on once my entire life.

Im a little girl because I want to be paid fairly for the work I do ?


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:00 AM
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My partner was recently made redundant and we had to survive on my salary alone
and we barely scraped by .

I am planning to become fully self employed soon anyway.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Denoli
They just want our money, we don't need Europe.

# them .

Do you have any idea how much the EU bounces back into the UK's economy. All those new built houses and industrial estates that say ''In partnership with the EU' are gone, Farmers subsidies are gone. Free movement withing the EU is gone, Free health care within the EU is gone, and do you really expect the rest of the EU to bend over backwards to pass on information on terrorism to the UK after this.....Jesus wept.


You seem to be extremely uninformed. Allow me, as a Brit living in "Europe" to assist. Farmers subsidies are a bad idea regardless of country. Always have been, always will be. Regulation (due to environmental issues among other things) is another matter however.

Free movement? I would wager that as a UK resident resident you will be required to show your passport at the EU country you entered and after that, you're done. There are no borders in Europe as far as passport control or travel goes. Taking public transport may differ slightly but you will be free to go anywhere.

There is no free health-care. Everybody pays one way or another. Holland has private health insurance mandated but it costs an average citizen 120-140 euros a month. I am guessing that other EU countries also raise those costs either via taxation or private insurance. This idea that everything is socialist in EU countries is quite misleading.

As for EU funded housing estates, why can't the UK fund those itself? Sounds like an excuse to me.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 07:56 AM
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originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
As for EU funded housing estates, why can't the UK fund those itself? Sounds like an excuse to me.


I have never seen an EU funded housing estate in the UK. There are EU "regeneration" grants for clapped out parts of the country, but this is just a cycle of money from the UK to the EU, and back again. As the UK is a net contributor (i.e. puts more in than it gets out) one can speculate that the clapped out parts of the UK may get more if the UK was in direct control.

So yes, I agree with you.

When I went to (Southern) Ireland a few years back practically every road had a "funded by the EU" sign, so some nations benefit indirectly from the UK tax-payer! Ain't that a surprise?



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

And after Ireland joined the EU, bank manipulations led to 2/3's of the value of their properties (which they were still paying mortgages on!) just disappear. Paying 200,000 for a property that was only worth 60-70,000. That is a hard pill to swallow for anyone. A well-respected Irish reporter asked the bank guy why that was. The bank man could not give a straight answer.



# the EU! To hell and back and then back to hell again. Just my inhumble opinion...



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

You know , I still think no one was given a good enough answer on the bail outs



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: stormcell




They gave the lives of their relatives and children to prevent the UK from being ruled from Germany


No. England declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Poland. You really need to brush up on history

www.eyewitnesstohistory.com...


Britain and France had sworn to defend Poland. Honoring these obligations, the two countries sent ultimatums to Hitler demanding his withdrawal from Poland. Hitler declined to respond. (see The Beginning of World War II, 1939) On September 3, Prime Minister Chamberlain went to the airwaves to announce to the British people that a state of war existed between their country and Germany. World War II had begun.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: TJames

See if you have children, they tend to want and require "shiny consumer goods", that just a fact of life.

Also, why should professionals and skilled people in employment not be able to afford the basic luxuries in life, or for there children?

Fact of the matter is that a significant percentage of these poor people would be far better off on benefits, but they are not, they are out working and trying to feed house and provide for there families, yet failing miserably simply because the cost of living is in no way in line with the salaries provided.

If you cant see the problem its simply because you refuse to do so.

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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

Oh dear...how much is your vote worth in your own backyard - lifelong servitude to unelected Peers....hehe "LORDS SPIRITUAL"


en.wikipedia.org...


Unlike the elected House of Commons, all members of the House of Lords (excluding 90 hereditary peers elected among themselves and two peers who are ex officio members) are appointed.[4] The membership of the House of Lords is drawn from the peerage and is made up of Lords Spiritual and Lords Temporal. The Lords Spiritual are 26 bishops in the established Church of England.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

mate I couldnt agree with you more

but no one seems to care , they are just happy with what they have and wont like any change for fear of losing their own piece of material wealth



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Need to keep in mind that this nation still retains Monarchic rule at heart.

The house of lords and the arcane power it still wields over the people of our nation is never going to go away as long as we retain royal rule.

Fact of the matter is that the notion of what most would call democratic process in this nation takes a back seat to the privileged bastards born with a silver spoon where the sun don't shine aka the lords and aristocracy who wield the real power.


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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: Misterlondon
Honestly the ignorance when it comes to this is outstanding.. There will be serious consequences for a hard brexit..
And I garauntee if the vote was recast.. overwhelming response would be remain this time.


LMAO you guys just keep repeating this and hoping to it to be true. Brexit was going to overwhelming fail the first time and there was no way TRUMP would be elected.... Sorry to burst your bubble but the same people are wrong again. Brexit is supported MORE today than before. The reason? The "remainers" are seeing just how idiotic the European Union is being. The UK is being disrespected by the EU and many United Kingdom Citizens, whether they voted for or against Brexit will not stand for that.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
I could go an get a job elsewhere but I have job security here , I have a pension , I have friends
why would I leave.

Your choice to stay then, nobody else's.
I've walked off sites many a time because either the rate for the job wasn't what I wanted, or I didn't like the working conditions. You'll never see me whining on the internet though, I am a freebird and choose my own earning path.
Try it some time, it feels good.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: Misterlondon
Honestly the ignorance when it comes to this is outstanding.. There will be serious consequences for a hard brexit..
And I garauntee if the vote was recast.. overwhelming response would be remain this time.


Brexit is supported MORE today than before.


Not from people I talk to, if anything many of the 'jump off the ship without a life aid people' now are thinking they made one very big mistake. We are never going to get a deal that is going to suit our economy and every day we are seeing more jobs going like those at Vauxhall yesterday. The EU is going to carry on as it does and there is no way it will give us some sort of special status. The leavers have caused something so unbelievably bad for our nation, I honestly don't know where it's going to end. A year and a half post vote and where are we now? In a sinking ship



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: TJames

What about the people who are not free through and stuck in dead-end low paid minimum wage zero hour contract employment that cannot afford to pick and choose there rate of pay or working conditions down to other obligations and financial constraints?

Are they just supposed to accept the lot in life? Because that amounts to nothing more than indentured servitude really, which as we all know is a form of slavery.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TJames

What about the people who are not free through and stuck in dead-end low paid minimum wage zero hour contract employment


Not everybody can be king of the castle. Point is if you want work in the UK there is work. If you are in work you are in the top 5% of wage earners on Planet earth, but the whingers still winge
They've never had it so good



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

True not everyone can be "king of the castle" but in what is supposed to be a first world nation everyone should indeed be able to afford the basics luxuries in life, or at least an adequate wage to live.

Tell you this it does not seem to stop the Tories winging about the poor and needy or waging what appears to be some kind of stealth eugenics policy against our sick and mentally infirm via the DWP and there minions like ATOS or Capita.

Never had it so good???

Look out a window buddy, the nation is on its arse, and it's not going to get any better after Brexit for at least a whole generation of our people.




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posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:31 AM
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Good for you mate , but that still doesnt answer the question as to why the government arent paying its employees a living wage yet can still manage to fairly compensate the revolving door of CEO's year in year out . You can call it whining or not , we should be paid a living wage .
I could go an work elsewhere but what is the point when I have chosen to do the job I do to help people. I want to continue to help people, but I also want to be fairly compensated for my time and effort.

Lucky for you you work for yourself and so only need to have a word with yourself when things arent to your liking.
I am well within my rights as a government employee to question my salary and hold the government to account for not paying me a living wage. So Im not moaning just exercising my well fought for employee rights.

Which by the way you have the decent working folk of the UK to thank for that because we didnt have those rights, we had to fight the government for them.

People moaning about working conditions normally works out better for us all . So you can call it whining , other call it progress.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Most people can afford some type of holiday in the UK. Plus we get an amazing NHS. Most people have a mobile phone and can afford nice clothes and a trip to the local footy game once in a while. Crime is bad but nothing like overseas. Blimey it really isn't that bad over here. I honestly believe everybody should take a trip somewhere like southern Asia or sub Saharan Africa and maybe then it will become apparent how good they have it here in the UK.

On the country on it arse yes I do agree it is going that way and this will probably be accelerated by Brexit. As oil is no longer such an important tax revenue what do have left? An industrial base that is still going fast, a banking sector that due to Brexit will partly move to frankfurt and Paris. Things are going to get bad for us in the UK and I see very little hope for our already fragile economy.



posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TJames

What about the people who are not free through and stuck in dead-end low paid minimum wage zero hour contract employment that cannot afford to pick and choose there rate of pay or working conditions down to other obligations and financial constraints?

Are they just supposed to accept the lot in life? Because that amounts to nothing more than indentured servitude really, which as we all know is a form of slavery.


Their choice, just as it is my choice, and the choice of 3 million EU nationals who have come here because life is good.
All my EU mates have nice homes, decent cars, and even enough left at the end of the week to party with us all living the good life which doesn't involve stupid spending choices getting shiny things on credit.



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