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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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Something that has irked me recently are these America Justice Warriors.

These thin-skinned individuals cry and complain about every little thing that offends them, saying (for example) how it's disrespectful to their country for professional football players to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem.

This particular example is funny, as professional football players have only been doing this since 2009 - before then, they stayed in their locker rooms and were not out on the field at all. Why did it change? Paid patriotism:

The players were moved to the field during the national anthem because it was seen as a marketing strategy to make the athletes look more patriotic. The United States Department of Defense paid the National Football League $5.4 million between 2011 and 2014, and the National Guard [paid] $6.7 million between 2013 and 2015 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies as part of military recruitment budget-line items.


Moving on, though - nationalism is a powerful tool. The DoD has used nationalism for recruitment in sporting events, just as other countries have. Nationalism has become a slogan of our President: "Make America Great Again" - not helping Americans, but promoting America.

Yet, that is antithetical to what the United States of America actually is:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The Constitution is about promoting us - her citizens - not America as some entity itself. We left English rule to get away from the whole 'for King and Country' thing. That's why it establishes protections for its citizens against the government - we hold the rule of law to be superior to the rule of the state.

Yet, we have these America Justice Warriors bemoaning how people are insulting our great country by not standing for an anthem - one which wasn't made the national anthem until 1931 (before we didn't have one). We did not have a national pledge of allegiance until 1942, and it didn't include the words "under God" until 1954. These were nationalist promotions - abhorred by our great founders:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It is not America that is behind this: it is self-evident; from our Creator. Indeed, America is merely a construct:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


Governments are responsible for many great and terrible things. These America Justice Warriors fly the nation's flag without understanding that it is not America we should celebrate, but its people. Recall again the pledge; the one we know today is mostly inspired by Francis Bellamy, who said:

"At the beginning of the nineties patriotism and national feeling was (sic) at a low ebb. The patriotic ardor of the Civil War was an old story ... The time was ripe for a reawakening of simple Americanism and the leaders in the new movement rightly felt that patriotic education should begin in the public schools."

He teamed up with James Upham to promote the pledge, a flag maker who (unsurprisingly):

"felt that a flag should be on every schoolhouse"

Nationalistic indoctrination of schoolchildren for the good of a capitalist, circa 1900.

It's unsurprising at this point that America Justice Warriors have become so wide-spread. Yet, their logic surprises: soldiers do not fight for a flag; they fight for their friends and their families, their comrades in arms, and their own moral compass.

Every perceived transgression must be defended against vehemently by these America Justice Warriors, regardless of whether it was even an attack in the first place or how unrelated it might be.

We here on ATS know the government has done shady and evil things; they've orchestrated coups and overthrown elected leaders. That is the sort of thing nationalists do - interfering with other countries for our country's benefit - and that is what the government has become over the years.

We are, however, responsible for not holding them accountable. The government is subject to the people: us. We keep electing these flag-pin-wearing fools because we've forgotten the founding documents of our country. They preach how great America is or shall be once they're in charge, and we happily lap it up. Recall the years and years of Obamacare repeals. If you just give them power, they'll deliver...

For these politicians, nationalism is frequently a ruse - an excuse like the flag maker above to line their own pockets. Go have a look at the net worth of anyone in Congress if you don't believe me - bonus points for those who got wealthy after achieving office. It's ironic that the loudest America Justice Warriors seem to only be out for themselves.

These nationalists in government have been wrong over and over again, yet somehow we just seem to forget about it. Remember "Mission Accomplished" by President Bush? WMDs? Other times, they use nationalism to mask their own goals. Remember the War on Drugs that began under President Nixon?

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." - John Ehrlichman, counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs

America Justice Warriors support it all. Where before their actions were more subtle, now they are all over social media.

Patriotism is quite similar to nationalism, but they are not exactly the same - one can be full of pride for the great things our nation has accomplished, but one must also accept and acknowledge the evils that it has done. Nationalists do not do the latter; they assign American exceptionalism to the United States and either justify the wrongs or ignore them.

This is where America Justice Warriors have it all wrong: America was already great, but it is also terrible.
It is for that terribleness that people kneel.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Greven

Nice post. I agree.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: Greven

shhhhhhh.

Some people are trying to show their support for the second in a thread near you.


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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: Greven


We call ourselves Nationalists and we don't care what Communists think!




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Greven


We call ourselves Nationalists and we don't care what Communists think!


I'm not a communist, but just another Republican.

I enjoy my guns, freedom of expression, and the blessings I've received in life in terms of family, health, and finances. Perhaps I simply view the world from a strange point of view, where what the founders of our nation sought was freedom and justice for all men (and women).

The Republican party keeps moving away from me, though.
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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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You shouldn't call them "America Justice Warriors", achieving their demands or desires would only increase the very injustices that people are protesting to begin with.

No reason to try to reverse their pathetic "Social Justice Warrior" taunt to use against them.

America FauxPride Warriors would be more apropos, since they bellow Murica Murica with such faux pride while their ideas & beliefs are the very anti-thesis of the promise that America aspires to.

K~



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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well said, OP



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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Radicalism begets radicalism.






posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Greven


We call ourselves Nationalists and we don't care what Communists think!



*fist bump*

A post.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Greven


We call ourselves Nationalists and we don't care what Communists think!



*fist bump*

A post.


If you recognize that there are faults in America, you are not a nationalist but a patriot.

Words have meanings. Of course, some misrepresent what they are, such as the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea - neither a democracy nor a republic. Heck, it's not really the "People's," either.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 04:58 PM
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Perhaps it's all about perspective. If MSM didn't feed the flames of division we wouldn't have to care about the player of NFL or whether or not the NG and DOD paying them to show respect for their country. But they do feed the flames and just like last election it becomes a polarizing event.
From my perspective the theme seems to be a personal choice to show disrespect for my flag. My choice is the do something other than watch a bunch of ungrateful, over paid ass holes run around the field.



I personally learned about citizenship when I was a boy scout about 50 years ago. If no one gives a damn then you get what you deserve.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: Greven

Yeah, let me guess. . . . you thought the "Patriot Act" was patriotic.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Greven

Yeah, let me guess. . . . you thought the "Patriot Act" was patriotic.


The USA PATRIOT Act is one of the worst pieces of legislation in modern history.

It should be repealed. It's an example of misrepresentation as I outlined above. Do you know who voted against it?

One person in the Senate: Democrat Russ Feingold.
66 people in the House - three were Republicans: Ron Paul (whom I voted for President), Robert Ney, and Butch Otter. The remaining 63 were Democrats or Independents.

Why do so many Republicans hate Americans and our freedoms?
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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: Greven

Just goes to show that we can agree on something.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: Nickn3
Perhaps it's all about perspective. If MSM didn't feed the flames of division we wouldn't have to care about the player of NFL or whether or not the NG and DOD paying them to show respect for their country. But they do feed the flames and just like last election it becomes a polarizing event.


Are you saying that the media should simply ignore it...thereby no need to discuss it. I guess if they did ignore all, the complaints would be the same...for ignoring it.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 05:25 PM
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Well written thread Greven... Although America and it's institutions who push such stuff are guilty of many things you said in you opening statement they are not lent in the bottom of some/many country's political purses.

But they are them and we be us...

Peer Pressure and go with the flow is a trait in human's which can be and is exploited by all governments trying to herd their population in a certain direction.

Those who disagree are labeled some derogatory meme and are usually beat down... Even young kids at school do the same thing to those who they decide need attention to help change their "whatever attitude"..

What was once acceptable can be turned into a "Oh my god did you see that" moment by a government's news arm with an agenda to rile a people up and get them pointed in a certain governmental (control) direction.. IMO



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 05:26 PM
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I remember when the entire Stanford band became SJWs and they had a very good cause. But , not only did they stand for the National Anthem , they played it...
They stood as did everyone else.


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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: Greven

Fine post Greven. As I read it it really has little to do with the standing or kneeling in support or protest, rather the gist of the post is to point out how much of the symbolic gestures so loved by patriotic Americans have been instituted as a means of control and profit.

I can hardly wait for the day that our voting will be done by our choice of which Chia Pet Presidential Statue we want elected. Polling place with be in any Walmart across the country and only 19.95 to cast your vote for Potus.

Limit. 3 per visit.
Visit often and make your voice heard.
All sales final.

chia.com...


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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

The news should be harping on whats wrong with The System (which they are a intricate part of) instead of on BS that just stirs us towards each other.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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Kneeling is a sign of subservience to combat patriots,we pray to GOD and rest for information like that.
I don't want to be thought of as a hero who heals a thing as I never have been,I kinda went the OTHER way,and WHY we have gone to war have been lies.
The message is wrong,it is to push skin issues and a tantrum about some reactionary cops and linked to socialism on a national scale.
It has ONLY endangered black people as have BLM (WHO are "-happy to destroy other peoples sh*T" on a regular basis) they either can't really grasp it or they are too simple to believe.
It alters NEITHER neo racist DNC urban cesspools ,police training or screening techniques..like racially motivated "Police can't be TOO SMART because minorities can't cut as standard officers,intelligence wise so LETS LOWER standards!

ENJOY your self inflicted wound,WE DON'T.

DNC knows and is using it because we sent the reptiles in washington a wildcard who isn't a lawyer,to remind them we don't give a CRAP about their parties and will do our BEST to break them as fast as we can.
IT's just hard to fight a horde of sociopathic lawyers without killing when THEY aren't so inclined.
I don't want anyone else like me around ,it's WAY too hard for a norm,BUT I will be secured from YOUR ideas as well,so long as I break no laws or overtly scare anyone.
I continue my semantic combat with the Progs and their socialist(P.C.) assault with success,Iguess they aren't as intelligent, so they didn't learn HISTORY, so I win.

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