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Stop with the Obamacare nonsense

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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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Freeloaders are people who take advantage of the system for free. Before the ACA, there were fly by night insurance companies that paid for NOTHING. Yes the premium was only $100 per month. But they did not pay any benefits. When a person got sick they paid nothing. So the people on these $100 per month polices were FREELOADERS!! This because when they got sick the cost of their treatment was paid by everyone else who had real insurance policies.

Here are some excepts from an article I just read to back up what I am saying:




As part of the effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act, GOP lawmakers this year tried, but failed, to pass legislation that would create new federally certified associations that could be sold across state lines with reduced state oversight.

These plans have always been controversial. In the past, some had solvency problems and went bankrupt, leaving consumers on the hook with unpaid medical bills.


And:



In several states, regulators investigated whether the plans were advertising that they had comprehensive coverage when, in fact, they provided little or no coverage for such things as chemotherapy or doctor office visits.

"They have history of fraud, of insolvency, of segmenting markets and there is often a loss of consumer protections,"


One way Trump could change health insurance

Stop with the Obamacare hate nonsense. I get it that most of you right wingers hate the black guy. Obama may have initiated the ACA but the ACA exists in its present form for a reason. I once heard someone argue a flat tax is "unfair" because their they would have to pay taxes for the first time. I think the same is true for the ACA. People are moaning their health insurance premium went up and ACA sucks because the people for the first time are paying what they have to pay in order not to be a freeloader.

And I get it everyone hates the government. And Government is supposedly the root of all evil in this country. But what else do we have??? How do you stop the FREELOADERS from taking advantage of everyone else???? How do you stop fly-by-night companies from selling fake insurance for profit at everyone else's expense???

Either you are for the rule-of-law and its enforcement or you are for criminal and a pirating behaviors. At some point we have to have some shred of self-governance or we will have chaos. Oh wait, chaos IS what we have in this country by design.


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posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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I like how you used a race baiting tactic here. /sarcasm

I think most "right-wingers" want to repeal "obamacare" because of the individual mandate, and sky rocketing premiums. A lot of people don't want the government to control every facet of their lives. And when you put the most inept people in control of a delicate system, then there is bound to be corruption and mismanagement.

Its as simple as that. Way to be a typical liberal and pull the race card when you have no valid argument.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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Yeah I'm sure everybody is so happy to pay the deductibles now.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: eXia7

Using the term "Obamacare" is trollish. Don't flip the mirror on me and ignore the topic.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: eXia7

Using the term "Obamacare" is trollish. Don't flip the mirror on me and ignore the topic.


I just gave you a response to your OP. Maybe if you read it instead of trying to get in a verbal jab wherever you can, then we could just /end thread.

ETA: You called it "Obamacare" in the title.. who is the troll here?
edit on 10/8/2017 by eXia7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Meh
That is the only thing I can muster on this beautiful Sunday morning after reading your post.
Just meh.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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Yeah, lazy people ruin any good socialist utopian ideal.


Does laziness run in your family? Study suggests it could be hereditary]
Could genes be to blame for a lack of motivation to hit the gym? A recent study conducted at the University of Missouri suggests this could be the case.

By studying a population of rats over ten generations, researchers came to the conclusion that there is such a thing as a genetic predisposition to laziness, at least among rodents. The study was conducted by Franck W. Booth and Michael D. Roberts of the University of Missouri's College of Veterinary Medicine and the results were published in the latest issue of the American Journal of Physiology.

Around 50 rats were placed in cages with running wheels. Over a period of six days, researchers recorded the amount of time each rat spent willingly running on its wheel. The rats were then separated into two breeding groups, so that the 26 most active rats bred only amongst themselves, and the 26 least active bred only with each other. The process was then repeated over ten generations.

At the end of the experiment, the researchers observed that the rodents from the "super runners" line willingly ran 10 times longer per day on average than those from the "couch potato" line.



So then some people are pragmatists. I realize this might be impossible to understand for some, but its true.

And then when politicians come along with Corporate Fascism like Obamacare, some of us recoil because we're not into Corporate Fascism and no matter what kind of spin anyone could ever put on it to convince themselves and other that it isnt Corporate Fascism and that its good for everyone, the pragmatist isnt going to fall for this kind of BS monolithic central government driven mandatory corporate servitude.

True freedom loving independent types INSIST to be able to choose whether to have insurance or not. And anyone that tries to spin that can go to effing hell.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

As usual, you are making low quality posts having no basis in fact. The reason why people are paying deductibles now has NOTHNG to do with ACA. If you spent more than 30 seconds on this topic you would know healthcare premiums have been rising for the last 30 years. ACA did absolutely nothing other than get rid of scam companies and prevent insurance companies from denying people with preexisting conditions. But premiums would still be rising without ACA.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: dfnj2015

Meh
That is the only thing I can muster on this beautiful Sunday morning after reading your post.
Just meh.


I agree. Talking about anything to do with politics with people like you is a waste of time.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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2010:

If you don't like Obamacare it's because you're a heartless wretch who doesn't want to help poor people who can't afford medical care. Also you're a racist.

2017:

If you don't like Obamacare it's because you are a greedy freeloader who doesn't want to pay your fair share. Also you're a racist.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nice job hijacking the thread. Do you believe government has a role in preventing scam insurance companies from raping consumers or not?

IT'S ALL ABOUT SUPPORTING CORPORATE RAPE OF CONSUMERS!!



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: xuenchen

As usual, you are making low quality posts having no basis in fact. The reason why people are paying deductibles now has NOTHNG to do with ACA. If you spent more than 30 seconds on this topic you would know healthcare premiums have been rising for the last 30 years. ACA did absolutely nothing other than get rid of scam companies and prevent insurance companies from denying people with preexisting conditions. But premiums would still be rising without ACA.


Lol? Premiums may have been increasing a bit over the years, but nothing like they have since Obamacare/ACA/WhateverCare was implemented.

You must be a person who has their healthcare subsidized by the taxpayer, and are scared that the gravy train is about to derail on your ass. XD



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: eXia7

Using the term "Obamacare" is trollish. Don't flip the mirror on me and ignore the topic.

"obamacare" was in the title, and your contribution started out with race baiting... Who is being trollish, here?

My insurance rates are already 300% of what they were before the ACA stepped in, and are set to go up at least 30% more any day now.
Yet, the quality of my insurance has gone down sharply. They pay for next to nothing.

The ACA was designed to fail- our last "leader" pumped it up with everything he could to keep it from falling down while he was still in office, but it's far too top heavy to be left standing.
If we don't take it down carefully, it's going to fall down and be a big mess left to clean up.

Which is exactly what they wanted when they made it. A good run of cost of healthcare ramping through the roof due to tax backed insurance paying the bills (make it mandatory to give money to healthcare industry and they WILL raise rates) followed by a total lack of funding from those same taxpayers once it breaks.
Suddenly nobody can afford the healthcare that they could afford ten years prior, and the health insurance business is completely bust.
Who to turn to?
State-backed medical care, with a blank check- for the sickest nation on the planet. Funded by.... debt and taxes.

More slavery, less freedom- let the ACA ring!



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Forget the racist part. What about the quotes in the OP? Oh wait, you are ignoring that part because the racist part is more in line with your idiotic narrative.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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As part of the effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act, GOP lawmakers this year tried, but failed, to pass legislation that would create new federally certified associations that could be sold across state lines with reduced state oversight.

These plans have always been controversial. In the past, some had solvency problems and went bankrupt, leaving consumers on the hook with unpaid medical bills.


And:



In several states, regulators investigated whether the plans were advertising that they had comprehensive coverage when, in fact, they provided little or no coverage for such things as chemotherapy or doctor office visits.

"They have history of fraud, of insolvency, of segmenting markets and there is often a loss of consumer protections,"



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:32 AM
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Obama himself called it "Obamacare".

Obama Owns "ObamaCare": "Yeah, I like the term."






posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

They could have easily done away with "scam" policies without 900 pages of law.




posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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Government mandate is total nonsense. In many cases; I can pay out of pocket for most of the medical care I need for much cheaper than any of the "Obamacare" premiums with the deductible. I know that may change at some point in the future as I get older and have deteriorating health; but at this time it seems more like an unnecessary expense. Even with the penalty, it is much better out of pocket than to pay these out of control prices.




Stop with the Obamacare hate nonsense. I get it that most of you right wingers hate the black guy.




Using the term "Obamacare" is trollish. Don't flip the mirror on me and ignore the topic.


I don't think eXia7 was trying to troll you brother, just responding to your OP. By your logic, you are trolling us all



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: xuenchen

As usual, you are making low quality posts having no basis in fact. The reason why people are paying deductibles now has NOTHNG to do with ACA. If you spent more than 30 seconds on this topic you would know healthcare premiums have been rising for the last 30 years. ACA did absolutely nothing other than get rid of scam companies and prevent insurance companies from denying people with preexisting conditions. But premiums would still be rising without ACA.


Lol? Premiums may have been increasing a bit over the years, but nothing like they have since Obamacare/ACA/WhateverCare was implemented.

You must be a person who has their healthcare subsidized by the taxpayer, and are scared that the gravy train is about to derail on your ass. XD


I ran my own business for 15 years since 2003. I've paid for other peoples premiums. I've paid my own premium for my family for 20 years now. I've seen my monthly premium go up ever single year for 20 years. Every 5 years the premium doubles. Every year I have to cut my coverage and raise deductibles. Before ACA it doubled every five years. After ACA it will double in five years. ACA did NOTHING to cut insurance premiums.

But this post was really about having anything at all as opposed to nothing. You low quality right wing posters ALL want nothing. If government is not the answer to scam insurance companies then what IS?????

I guarantee none of you will ever stick to the topic. It's already about race. It's already about me. You guys suck.



posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Nice job hijacking the thread. Do you believe government has a role in preventing scam insurance companies from raping consumers or not?

IT'S ALL ABOUT SUPPORTING CORPORATE RAPE OF CONSUMERS!!


I saw you open up with Obamacare and freeloaders (aka loafers aka lazy people) and away I went with my 'Third Dichotomy Approach' to things.

As far as I'm concerned, abut all we need government for is infrastructure, ACTUAL Defense (not Offense), and preventing corporate monopolies and their BS in's & out's.

Note that last part there and now dig this: Obamacare is a mandate of the "corporate monopolies and their BS in's & out's", which the inventor of "Fascism" (Mussolini) would have relished in, and here today everyone not least of which Antifa are saying its 'nazi stuff' to go after REAL DEAL BONAFIDE FASCISM.

Good times.

Sleep on that.


edit on 8-10-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)




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